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WaIIy wrote in
: Most excellent story along with superb writing. Thanks I'll second that. You should submit this great story to the sailing rags. It would be a great break in between the thinly disguised advertising "stories" to move product. Very well written. Glad you're all safe. A friend and I moved another friend's Endeavour 35 from where he left it on the dock at Daytona Beach, up the ditch to Mayport, then at sea to Charleston. After a great night of excellent winds, the sun rose and we left the autopilot steering to get some breakfast. As we set chatting of our great luck, a HUGE, empty, wooden cable reel that was easily larger than the boat floated by several boatlengths away. I still shudder at the thought of ramming that damned cable reel in the total darkness of the preceding night. The Raymarine 2KW radar never made a blip. The reel was totally radar transparent, even 10 boatlengths away with the low pole-mounted antenna. Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? |
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Larry W4CSC wrote:
Very well written. Glad you're all safe. Thank you very much. A friend and I moved another friend's Endeavour 35 from where he left it on the dock at Daytona Beach, up the ditch to Mayport, then at sea to Charleston. After a great night of excellent winds, the sun rose and we left the autopilot steering to get some breakfast. As we set chatting of our great luck, a HUGE, empty, wooden cable reel that was easily larger than the boat floated by several boatlengths away. I still shudder at the thought of ramming that damned cable reel in the total darkness of the preceding night. The Raymarine 2KW radar never made a blip. The reel was totally radar transparent, even 10 boatlengths away with the low pole-mounted antenna. And stuff like that can be really hard to spot, what with waves & a jib in the way etc etc. One reason why I'd be interested in a boat with positive flotation and perhaps a Kevlar hull! Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? Not on the chart, and I have no idea what it could have been. The best answer I can give as to location is that it's approx 15 nm SE of the tip of Frying Pan Shoals (Cape Fear). You're the only person (so far) to be interested in that question. It was by far the scariest moment of the trip for me! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Doug,
Ever heard of anyone durably and successfully covering a fiberglass hull with Kevlar ? What kind of positive flotation would you consider ? Cordially, Courtney DSK wrote: Larry W4CSC wrote: Very well written. Glad you're all safe. Thank you very much. A friend and I moved another friend's Endeavour 35 from where he left it on the dock at Daytona Beach, up the ditch to Mayport, then at sea to Charleston. After a great night of excellent winds, the sun rose and we left the autopilot steering to get some breakfast. As we set chatting of our great luck, a HUGE, empty, wooden cable reel that was easily larger than the boat floated by several boatlengths away. I still shudder at the thought of ramming that damned cable reel in the total darkness of the preceding night. The Raymarine 2KW radar never made a blip. The reel was totally radar transparent, even 10 boatlengths away with the low pole-mounted antenna. And stuff like that can be really hard to spot, what with waves & a jib in the way etc etc. One reason why I'd be interested in a boat with positive flotation and perhaps a Kevlar hull! Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? Not on the chart, and I have no idea what it could have been. The best answer I can give as to location is that it's approx 15 nm SE of the tip of Frying Pan Shoals (Cape Fear). You're the only person (so far) to be interested in that question. It was by far the scariest moment of the trip for me! Fresh Breezes- Doug King -- s/v Mutiny Rhodes Bounty II lying Oriental, NC WDB5619 |
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Courtney Thomas wrote:
Doug, Ever heard of anyone durably and successfully covering a fiberglass hull with Kevlar ? Yes, I know of about a half dozen over the past ten years. None of those have been tested in a severe collision though. All but one look great, although you have to budget for a paint finish rather than gelcoat. There are also several semi-custom or low-volume production boats, like C&C or Jeanneau, with Kevlar hulls from the factory. I suspect that they'd fare much better against most types of impact damage than conventional fiberglass. There are also many production boats with positive flotation, notably Sadler & Etap. What kind of positive flotation would you consider ? Don't know for sure, but there's a wide variety of foam types to choose from. If you're going to put a Kevlar skin over a hull, you could fair it out with an inch or two or microballoons under the Kevlar and gain a heck of a lot of positive flotation right there. The flotation would have to be an absolutely closed cell type foam of proven longevity, it would have to be distributed through the hull so as to produce proper trim & stability when flooded, it would have to be secured in place, and the volume is of course a big trade off... IMHO you'd be giving up mostly small corners of nearly unusable space anyway, but you'd definitely sacrifice some stowage. A tricky thing to accomplish, but certainly not impossible. And for somebody considering a lot of passage making type sailing, a big big plus. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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DSK wrote in
: One reason why I'd be interested in a boat with positive flotation and perhaps a Kevlar hull! I like Geoffrey's Amel much better than the Endeavour. The Amel Sharki has two watertight compartments forward...the chainlocker rear bulkhead is the first and drains overboard, then the V-berth, head and forward locker are forward of the main cabin bulkhead whos rubber-sealed hatch can be locked closed with a bar and all the drains into the bilge have valves on them to prevent flooding through the drains. The other watertight bulkhead is the rear bulkhead in the aft cabin, which is about 2' forward of the stern lockers, which also drain overboard. It's not great, but it's all VERY strong and reassuring that you can seal up a good part of the boat that will remain afloat longer than unprotected ones. Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? Not on the chart, and I have no idea what it could have been. The best answer I can give as to location is that it's approx 15 nm SE of the tip of Frying Pan Shoals (Cape Fear). You're the only person (so far) to be interested in that question. It was by far the scariest moment of the trip for me! Thanks. I'll make a note on our charts. I'm headed down in the morning and we may just take a cruise to sea with whoever's interested overnight and come back Sunday before the rain gets here. Someone should probably find them and put up a big float with a radar reflector on them. I sure would try to do that if I sailed the area often, especially if Cape Fear was my home port. Those orange ball markers aren't that expensive. Did anyone report the hazard to the authorities? |
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One reason why I'd be interested in a boat with positive flotation and
perhaps a Kevlar hull! Larry W4CSC wrote: I like Geoffrey's Amel much better than the Endeavour. The Amel Sharki has two watertight compartments forward...the chainlocker rear bulkhead is the first and drains overboard, then the V-berth, head and forward locker are forward of the main cabin bulkhead whos rubber-sealed hatch can be locked closed with a bar and all the drains into the bilge have valves on them to prevent flooding through the drains. The other watertight bulkhead is the rear bulkhead in the aft cabin, which is about 2' forward of the stern lockers, which also drain overboard. It's not great, but it's all VERY strong and reassuring that you can seal up a good part of the boat that will remain afloat longer than unprotected ones. Bulkheading is a good idea and it gives up less stowage than positive flotation. It's helped save a number of boats colliding with stuff in the Southern Ocean. But it's not quite as foolproof... easier & cheaper to install but it presupposes perfect maintenance on the drains, valves, hatches, etc etc. Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? Did anyone report the hazard to the authorities? To the port captain at Morehead, the USCG acknowledged also. We probably should have made a bigger deal out of it and filed a written report. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:02:07 -0500, DSK wrote:
----------- snip ------------- One reason why I'd be interested in a boat with positive flotation and perhaps a Kevlar hull! Great story, Doug. Fine adventure, well described. FYI, the newer Hunters (like my little 36) do have a Kevlar layer from stem to keel. (Typical Hunter penny-pinching. Why pay for a full layer when most people sail the boat forward g.) Al s/v Persephone Newburyport, MA |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:02:07 -0500, DSK wrote:
You're the only person (so far) to be interested in that question. It was by far the scariest moment of the trip for me! Not the only one. I share your concerns, even though my '70s C&C has a pretty thick solid laminate by today's standards. I was wondering if anyone hit the MOB button on the GPS...it's a good way to get the fix immediately, but the crew or rather the navigator has to know to do it. I don't mind wind and waves, but I''m anal enough about low, heavy crap in the water that I've called in twelve foot logs and floating picnic tables off Toronto from a Zodiac to the Coast Guard at dawn with a GPS fix...and heard it in the next radio Notice to Mariners G What I was doing in a Zodiac at dawn off Toronto is another story. R. |
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:07:33 GMT, Larry W4CSC wrote:
A friend and I moved another friend's Endeavour 35 from where he left it on the dock at Daytona Beach, up the ditch to Mayport, then at sea to Charleston. After a great night of excellent winds, the sun rose and we left the autopilot steering to get some breakfast. As we set chatting of our great luck, a HUGE, empty, wooden cable reel that was easily larger than the boat floated by several boatlengths away. I still shudder at the thought of ramming that damned cable reel in the total darkness of the preceding night. The Raymarine 2KW radar never made a blip. The reel was totally radar transparent, even 10 boatlengths away with the low pole-mounted antenna. Got any idea the lat/long of those pipes sticking up? Are they on the chart? Along with lurid accounts of absurdly heavy weather, it's hazards like this that are enough to put me off sailing (before I've even started). Can anyone offer a few crumbs of comfort on the prospects of surviving such encounters? -- Martin Smith, the New Conservative Party. http://www.newconservativeparty.org |
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New Conservative wrote:
Along with lurid accounts of absurdly heavy weather, it's hazards like this that are enough to put me off sailing (before I've even started). Can anyone offer a few crumbs of comfort on the prospects of surviving such encounters? Yeah - this is a good lesson in "pick your weather". People on delivery voyages seldom have that option. Pleasure sailing season in the North Atlantic ISN'T in February IMO. I bet the story wouldn't have been that exciting if they had gone in May or June. In 3-1/2 years of sailing from Vancouver Canada, through the Panama Canal and ending up in Annapolis MD, I can only recall 3 episodes of weather "bad enough" to remember (and nothing as bad as the original poster). We got very good at watching the weather and deciding for _ourselves_ when it was time to make a passage. Evan Gatehouse |
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