On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft)
front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34
foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power
boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there
are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and
easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence
more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece
of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:


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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

Doug,

Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in
general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau
and all french boats. The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at
applying your logic to US built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say
so if you don't like french boats say so but please be prcise. If as
you say the Jeanneau is a fine boat your original comment is not true.
BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good sailing cat too. Too bad I can't
afford one:-(

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

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On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:


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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from
Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft)
front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34
foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power
boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe
there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

Doug,

Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in
general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau and
all french boats.

No. Maybe I should have worded it "The French" as in people.

The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at applying your logic to US
built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say so if you don't like french
boats say so but please be prcise. If as you say the Jeanneau is a fine
boat your original comment is not true. BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good
sailing cat too. Too bad I can't afford one:-(

Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality,
reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well.

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

Doug Dotson wrote:
....
Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality,
reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well.

You're probably comparing Catalina to American built Beneteau, which are
unimpressive. The French built Beneteaus are, I'm told, somewhat better.

BTW, I was onboard the Catalina Morgan 440 at the Boston Boat Show - its
a lot of boat for about $320K. Definitely better made than older Catalinas.