On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

In article ,
Jeff Morris wrote:

My catamaran has a front opening fridge. (Again, level sailing has
advantages!) Its far easier to find things so you can open it, get your
stuff, and close it quickly. When we had a top loader, we would often
have to pull things out to find something that had fallen to the bottom.
My wife claims, based on nothing in particular, that the front loader
must be more efficient. I've wondered how much cold is really lost, or
to be more precise, how much heat content is in the warm air that gets
in when the cold "falls" out.

Having had both (on land) through a few multi-day power outages, I can
state positively that considerable cooling is lost every time a
front-loader's door is opened, and those seals aren't perfect even when
the door is closed.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft)
front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34
foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power
boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there
are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and
easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence
more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece
of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:


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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

Doug,

Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in
general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau
and all french boats. The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at
applying your logic to US built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say
so if you don't like french boats say so but please be prcise. If as
you say the Jeanneau is a fine boat your original comment is not true.
BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good sailing cat too. Too bad I can't
afford one:-(

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

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On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
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On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said:

Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from
Beneteau
and the french in general.

Doug

"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft)
front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34
foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power
boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe
there are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Doug,

Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very
good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated
and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone
already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up.
Hence more energy use.

I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat.

I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine
piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-)

Who mentioned Catalina?

Doug,

Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in
general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau and
all french boats.

No. Maybe I should have worded it "The French" as in people.

The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at applying your logic to US
built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say so if you don't like french
boats say so but please be prcise. If as you say the Jeanneau is a fine
boat your original comment is not true. BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good
sailing cat too. Too bad I can't afford one:-(

Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality,
reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well.

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

Doug Dotson wrote:
....
Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality,
reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well.

You're probably comparing Catalina to American built Beneteau, which are
unimpressive. The French built Beneteaus are, I'm told, somewhat better.

BTW, I was onboard the Catalina Morgan 440 at the Boston Boat Show - its
a lot of boat for about $320K. Definitely better made than older Catalinas.

Gordon Wedman wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message
...
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5
cuft)
front
opening fridge.
I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a
34 foot
sailboat.
That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live
aboard
attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the
power
boats
community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe
there
are
advantages that I can not see at this time??

Dangiser

Easier to clean and easier to get food out of. The top surface can
be used
as a permanent counter/work surface. Two main problems are they let
out all
the cold air every time you open and there is the possibility that
everything may end up on the cabin sole if you open while on the
wrong tack.
Maybe not such an issue on powerboats as they usually try to stay
level and
often have gensets (don't care about running time of the fridge).

Oh they can be lots of fun on a power boat up on plane if the door
faces the stern. I remember a few years ago running a friends boat to
Florida for the winter with some friends. He had a galley up setup, it
was (key word, "was") a beautiful day, we were out in the open ocean
under way. All of us were up on the fly bridge enjoying the weather, I
climbed down from the bridge to go get something from the cabin. Well,
I opened the cabin door, and the entire contents of the refrigerator,
which was full for our trip, rolled out the door, into the cockpit.
Everything except the eggs, salids and glass bottles. The cold cuts
were stuck to assorted things in the cabin.

One of those golden moments in life where the only thing that comes out
of your mouth is, "Oh s _ _ t". It would have been nice to have a lie
detector on board to determine who opened the refrigerator last, and
didn't latch it shut. Keel hauling would have been called for. It was
one hell of a mess.

The lesson learned, if the refrigerator has a latch, use it at all
times, make it a habit. If it doesn't have a latch, install one.

I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-)
--
Ken Heaton
Cape Breton Island
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message
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Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general.

On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said:

I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-)

Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks
had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of
Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-)

--
Regards,
John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789
S/V Chagall

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:51:38 GMT, John Proctor
wrote:

On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said:

I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-)

Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks
had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of
Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-)

True, but this was much more a matter of "the enemy of my enemy is my
friend" than any love of us.


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