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Front Opening fridge?
I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year.
The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser |
"Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Easier to clean and easier to get food out of. The top surface can be used as a permanent counter/work surface. Two main problems are they let out all the cold air every time you open and there is the possibility that everything may end up on the cabin sole if you open while on the wrong tack. Maybe not such an issue on powerboats as they usually try to stay level and often have gensets (don't care about running time of the fridge). |
Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau
and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser |
Gordon Wedman wrote:
"Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Easier to clean and easier to get food out of. The top surface can be used as a permanent counter/work surface. Two main problems are they let out all the cold air every time you open and there is the possibility that everything may end up on the cabin sole if you open while on the wrong tack. Maybe not such an issue on powerboats as they usually try to stay level and often have gensets (don't care about running time of the fridge). My catamaran has a front opening fridge. (Again, level sailing has advantages!) Its far easier to find things so you can open it, get your stuff, and close it quickly. When we had a top loader, we would often have to pull things out to find something that had fallen to the bottom. My wife claims, based on nothing in particular, that the front loader muse be more efficient. I've wondered how much cold is really lost, or to be more precise, how much heat content is in the warm air that gets in when the cold "falls" out. My freezer, BTW, is a top loader with about 7 inches of foam all around. We keep bundles of food in mesh bags, so we can pull out the "meat bag" or the "veggie bag" quickly. |
Doug Dotson wrote:
Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. While not being monos I thought e.g. Catanas had a quite good reputation? j. |
"johannes m.r." wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. While not being monos I thought e.g. Catanas had a quite good reputation? j. What is a Catanas? |
Doug Dotson wrote:
"johannes m.r." wrote in message ... Doug Dotson wrote: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. While not being monos I thought e.g. Catanas had a quite good reputation? j. What is a Catanas? Catana is a French high quality catamaran - very spiffy, and mostly large. They almost folded in 2002, and found a buyer. Like most cat companies, they're starting to shift over to power cats. http://www.catana.net/index_us.php |
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"Gogarty" wrote in message
... In article , says... Doug Dotson wrote: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. While not being monos I thought e.g. Catanas had a quite good reputation? j. And the last time an Aerican won an around the world race was when? What is an Aerican? Better or worst than a Beneteau? |
The French can be helpful if you need to throw the British off your island!
"Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser |
On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Doug, Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence more energy use. I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-) -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
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Jeff Morris wrote: My catamaran has a front opening fridge. (Again, level sailing has advantages!) Its far easier to find things so you can open it, get your stuff, and close it quickly. When we had a top loader, we would often have to pull things out to find something that had fallen to the bottom. My wife claims, based on nothing in particular, that the front loader must be more efficient. I've wondered how much cold is really lost, or to be more precise, how much heat content is in the warm air that gets in when the cold "falls" out. Having had both (on land) through a few multi-day power outages, I can state positively that considerable cooling is lost every time a front-loader's door is opened, and those seals aren't perfect even when the door is closed. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
"John Proctor" wrote in message news:2005021815254116807%lost@nowhereorg... On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Doug, Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence more energy use. I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat. I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-) Who mentioned Catalina? -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson"
dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: "John Proctor" wrote in message news:2005021815254116807%lost@nowhereorg... On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Doug, Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence more energy use. I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat. I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-) Who mentioned Catalina? Doug, Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau and all french boats. The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at applying your logic to US built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say so if you don't like french boats say so but please be prcise. If as you say the Jeanneau is a fine boat your original comment is not true. BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good sailing cat too. Too bad I can't afford one:-( -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
"John Proctor" wrote in message news:2005021822025716807%lost@nowhereorg... On 2005-02-18 16:28:58 +1100, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: "John Proctor" wrote in message news:2005021815254116807%lost@nowhereorg... On 2005-02-18 10:41:52 +1100, "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom said: Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. Doug "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Doug, Again I must disagree. As an owner of a Jeanneau the French have a very good feel for a boat. The 160 Litre cool box is great, well insulated and easy to get into. The bigest problem with a front loader as someone already has meantioned is loss of cooling when opening the unit up. Hence more energy use. I believe my comment was in regard to Beneteau. Jenneau is a fine boat. I wouldn't own a Catalina with your money! BTW a Benateau is a fine piece of furniture a Jeanneau is a great sailboat;-) Who mentioned Catalina? Doug, Your original comment wound up with the words 'and the french in general'. This means in my english that you are depricating Beneteau and all french boats. No. Maybe I should have worded it "The French" as in people. The Catalina comment was a crude attempt at applying your logic to US built boats. If you don't like Beneteau say so if you don't like french boats say so but please be prcise. If as you say the Jeanneau is a fine boat your original comment is not true. BTW Jeanneau makes a bloody good sailing cat too. Too bad I can't afford one:-( Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality, reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well. -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
Doug Dotson wrote:
.... Catalinas are reasonable boats. Better than Beneteau in overall quality, reasonably inexpensive, and they sail well. You're probably comparing Catalina to American built Beneteau, which are unimpressive. The French built Beneteaus are, I'm told, somewhat better. BTW, I was onboard the Catalina Morgan 440 at the Boston Boat Show - its a lot of boat for about $320K. Definitely better made than older Catalinas. |
Gordon Wedman wrote: "Denis Marier" wrote in message ... I was looking at the new Beneteau 345 pamphlet for this year. The new 2005 specification is showing a 1 X 12 V electric (4.5 cuft) front opening fridge. I wonder what is the advantage to have a front opening fridge on a 34 foot sailboat. That gave me the idea that this boat was designed to be a live aboard attached to a berth protected by a breakwater. Conversely, the power boats community have used front opening fridges for a long time. Maybe there are advantages that I can not see at this time?? Dangiser Easier to clean and easier to get food out of. The top surface can be used as a permanent counter/work surface. Two main problems are they let out all the cold air every time you open and there is the possibility that everything may end up on the cabin sole if you open while on the wrong tack. Maybe not such an issue on powerboats as they usually try to stay level and often have gensets (don't care about running time of the fridge). Oh they can be lots of fun on a power boat up on plane if the door faces the stern. I remember a few years ago running a friends boat to Florida for the winter with some friends. He had a galley up setup, it was (key word, "was") a beautiful day, we were out in the open ocean under way. All of us were up on the fly bridge enjoying the weather, I climbed down from the bridge to go get something from the cabin. Well, I opened the cabin door, and the entire contents of the refrigerator, which was full for our trip, rolled out the door, into the cockpit. Everything except the eggs, salids and glass bottles. The cold cuts were stuck to assorted things in the cabin. One of those golden moments in life where the only thing that comes out of your mouth is, "Oh s _ _ t". It would have been nice to have a lie detector on board to determine who opened the refrigerator last, and didn't latch it shut. Keel hauling would have been called for. It was one hell of a mess. The lesson learned, if the refrigerator has a latch, use it at all times, make it a habit. If it doesn't have a latch, install one. |
I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-)
-- Ken Heaton Cape Breton Island kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca "Doug Dotson" dougdotson@NOSPAMcablespeedNOSPAMcom wrote in message ... Bad idea for a sailboat. But then again what do you expect from Beneteau and the french in general. |
On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said:
I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-) Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-) -- Regards, John Proctor VK3JP, VKV6789 S/V Chagall |
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:51:38 GMT, John Proctor
wrote: On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said: I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-) Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-) True, but this was much more a matter of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" than any love of us. Weebles Wobble (but they don't fall down) |
The Marquis De Lafayette was paid 200,000 dollars for "services
rendered" has France paid its debt to the US? John Proctor wrote: On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said: I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-) Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-) |
I'm trying to figure out why we Americans are supposed to hate the French.
Is it because they didn't back the US on the invasion/occupation of Iraq, or is it because they were right? The Vatican didn't back us either, shouldn't we be hating Catholics too? BTW, I was there and left blood in the Iraqi dirt. It never crossed my mind to be ****ed at anyone but our administration on that long gurney ride home. MMC "JR Gilbreath" wrote in message .. . The Marquis De Lafayette was paid 200,000 dollars for "services rendered" has France paid its debt to the US? John Proctor wrote: On 2005-02-19 11:32:39 +1100, "Ken Heaton" said: I believe "the french" is where the Statue of Liberty came from? ;-) Also the French were of some limited help in a small skirmish you Yanks had with the British in 1776. See the history of the Marquis of Lafayette and his volunteers. ;-) |
Always have had this problem about being able to think for myself. You,
OTOH, being a stanch Bushie, do not have such a burden. 69-70? You work in the laundry or the PX, tough guy? "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Sun, 20 Feb 2005 22:05:55 GMT, "MMC" wrote: I'm trying to figure out why we Americans are supposed to hate the French. Is it because they didn't back the US on the invasion/occupation of Iraq, or is it because they were right? Most Americans don't hate the French. We're irritated with their haughty attitude. The Vatican didn't back us either, shouldn't we be hating Catholics too? BTW, I was there and left blood in the Iraqi dirt. It never crossed my mind to be ****ed at anyone but our administration on that long gurney ride home. MMC Who forced you to join the service? Nothing worse than a whiney soldier. Wally -- Vietnam 1969-70 |
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:22:15 GMT, "MMC" wrote:
Always have had this problem about being able to think for myself. You, OTOH, being a stanch Bushie, do not have such a burden. 69-70? You work in the laundry or the PX, tough guy? MMC Who forced you to join the service? Nothing worse than a whiney soldier. Wally -- Vietnam 1969-70 Don't really have anything to add. I just get slightly tense when I read crap like "You work in the laundry or the PX, tough guy?" Lots of combat vets of all political bents on this and other groups MMC. Don't make the mistake of thinking you are "Special" or "Right" because you've seen combat. Rant-mode off! Mark E. Williams |
I sincerely apologize to the other vets who read my previous message, it was
definitely NOT meant as a blanket insult. Vets from any era have my undying respect, no matter what political leanings or how they contributed during their service. Thanks for pointing out my misstep; I flew off the handle with the "whiney" remark. My family and I, as other service men and women who came back disabled and their families, have a lot of baggage to carry. MMC "Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in message ... On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 14:22:15 GMT, "MMC" wrote: Always have had this problem about being able to think for myself. You, OTOH, being a stanch Bushie, do not have such a burden. 69-70? You work in the laundry or the PX, tough guy? MMC Who forced you to join the service? Nothing worse than a whiney soldier. Wally -- Vietnam 1969-70 Don't really have anything to add. I just get slightly tense when I read crap like "You work in the laundry or the PX, tough guy?" Lots of combat vets of all political bents on this and other groups MMC. Don't make the mistake of thinking you are "Special" or "Right" because you've seen combat. Rant-mode off! Mark E. Williams |
On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:40 GMT, "MMC" wrote:
I sincerely apologize to the other vets who read my previous message, it was definitely NOT meant as a blanket insult. Vets from any era have my undying respect, no matter what political leanings or how they contributed during their service. Thanks for pointing out my misstep; I flew off the handle with the "whiney" remark. My family and I, as other service men and women who came back disabled and their families, have a lot of baggage to carry. MMC No sweat MMC. After a few years the baggage becomes normal and you get used to being a crip. I did. :o) Don't sweat the small stuff and keep on trucking. Mark E. Williams Team "Date Palm" Radioman C Co., 1st Recon Bn., 1st MarDiv. 1-68 to 8-69 |
Thanks Mark and Wally. I'm usually pretty good about being a crip, but there
are times it really gets to me. "Maynard G. Krebbs" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 17:49:40 GMT, "MMC" wrote: I sincerely apologize to the other vets who read my previous message, it was definitely NOT meant as a blanket insult. Vets from any era have my undying respect, no matter what political leanings or how they contributed during their service. Thanks for pointing out my misstep; I flew off the handle with the "whiney" remark. My family and I, as other service men and women who came back disabled and their families, have a lot of baggage to carry. MMC No sweat MMC. After a few years the baggage becomes normal and you get used to being a crip. I did. :o) Don't sweat the small stuff and keep on trucking. Mark E. Williams Team "Date Palm" Radioman C Co., 1st Recon Bn., 1st MarDiv. 1-68 to 8-69 |
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