"DSK" wrote in message
.. .
Capt. Mooron wrote:
... Good Grief!


Well, that's certainly an intelligent comment. Can we expect more to
follow?

I don't know Doug... how can one argue with "Research suggests"... I mean
what more can I add?

CM

Capt. Mooron wrote:
I don't know Doug... how can one argue with "Research suggests"... I mean
what more can I add?


What more, indeed. One wonders why you added anything in the first place.

Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam? I have. It
seemed unlikely that they would capsize the boat. OTOH given a
lightweight beamy boat and waves that are steep & violent, it's plausible.

DSK

"DSK" wrote in message

What more, indeed. One wonders why you added anything in the first place.

That's the Thanks I get for being agreeable.....???


Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam?

Oh yes Doug... I'm certain you've done it all... and nobody here has ever
sailed in seas the height of their beam! Gosh knows that would never happen
to me... way up here on the North Friggin' Atlantic!! Sheesh!

I have. It seemed unlikely that they would capsize the boat. OTOH given a
lightweight beamy boat and waves that are steep & violent, it's plausible.

I'm certain if you look around ... you'll find research to suggest that. I
do believe that your original statement regarding this premise was as
follows:

Wether or a not a boat of a given size can survive a wave of given size
is dependent on a *lot* of variables, of which the brand name stamped on
it is one of the least significant.

I think a Hunter might meet the research criteria you stated....
OOPS...there goes a brand name.
Nonetheless..... I doubt a 10 ft ocean wave is going to capsize my
vessel... even if it's breaking and beam to.
In 60 ft of water at the mouth of the bay here that opens onto the
Atlantic... I get waves to 30+ feet and breaking.
I've not only managed to turn my sailboat 360 degrees in those waves... but
in a 30 ft Cape Islander fishing boat... on many occasions.
I guess you just learn to deal with the ocean conditions if you want to go
out in that kind of weather.

CM
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Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam?


Capt. Mooron wrote:
Oh yes Doug... I'm certain you've done it all... and nobody here has ever
sailed in seas the height of their beam! Gosh knows that would never happen
to me... way up here on the North Friggin' Atlantic!! Sheesh!


You seema touch defensive. Did I imply that nobody had ever had any suc
experience?



Nonetheless..... I doubt a 10 ft ocean wave is going to capsize my
vessel... even if it's breaking and beam to.

That was the point of my earlier post. Perhaps it wasn't made clearly
enough. Conditions that may result in a wave-induced rollover don't seem
as dangerous as the physics suggest they are.


In 60 ft of water at the mouth of the bay here that opens onto the
Atlantic... I get waves to 30+ feet and breaking.

While current-driven overfalls can get pretty bad, I'd be surprised if
60' deep water ever gets 30' waves.

I've not only managed to turn my sailboat 360 degrees in those waves... but
in a 30 ft Cape Islander fishing boat... on many occasions.
I guess you just learn to deal with the ocean conditions if you want to go
out in that kind of weather.


And if "learning to deal with the conditions" results in a few capsizes
or broken-up boats, then what? Very limited margin for error and a very
steep learning curve.

DSK

give it a break, dougie. everyone who has sailer offshore has been in waves
half or more the boat's beam. no great shakes, and no danger at at, nun,
unless the waves are breaking, and that don't happen in deep water.

From: DSK
Date: 2/7/2005 8:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam?


Capt. Mooron wrote:
Oh yes Doug... I'm certain you've done it all... and nobody here has ever
sailed in seas the height of their beam! Gosh knows that would never happen

to me... way up here on the North Friggin' Atlantic!! Sheesh!


You seema touch defensive. Did I imply that nobody had ever had any suc
experience?



Nonetheless..... I doubt a 10 ft ocean wave is going to capsize my
vessel... even if it's breaking and beam to.

That was the point of my earlier post. Perhaps it wasn't made clearly
enough. Conditions that may result in a wave-induced rollover don't seem
as dangerous as the physics suggest they are.


In 60 ft of water at the mouth of the bay here that opens onto the
Atlantic... I get waves to 30+ feet and breaking.

While current-driven overfalls can get pretty bad, I'd be surprised if
60' deep water ever gets 30' waves.

I've not only managed to turn my sailboat 360 degrees in those waves... but

in a 30 ft Cape Islander fishing boat... on many occasions.
I guess you just learn to deal with the ocean conditions if you want to go
out in that kind of weather.


And if "learning to deal with the conditions" results in a few capsizes
or broken-up boats, then what? Very limited margin for error and a very
steep learning curve.

DSK

JAXAshby wrote:
give it a break, dougie. everyone who has sailer offshore has been in waves
half or more the boat's beam. no great shakes, and no danger at at, nun,
unless the waves are breaking, and that don't happen in deep water.


Except when they do. There is nothing that prevents waves from breaking
in open water in storm conditions. In winds over 60 knots, virtually
all of the high waves (10% of all waves) will break. Some breakers will
be found in lesser winds.

Breakers form when the wave steepness exceeds a certain limit. This can
happen as a function of wind alone - no bottom interaction is needed.
They will occur in any significant waves simply by the constructive
interference of two or more sub-critical waves.

These are true breakers, with plunging jets of solid water that is
moving roughly 30% faster than the waves - enough to create pressures of
several tons per square foot.

Jaxie's claim that waves can't break in open water is simply an old
wives tale.

kriste almighty, juggies. please be quiet. there ain't not a soul on the ng
who believes you have the degree in physics you claim to have. you have made
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many stew ped posts such as the one below.

From: Jeff Morris
Date: 2/7/2005 12:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Message-id:

JAXAshby wrote:
give it a break, dougie. everyone who has sailer offshore has been in
waves
half or more the boat's beam. no great shakes, and no danger at at, nun,
unless the waves are breaking, and that don't happen in deep water.


Except when they do. There is nothing that prevents waves from breaking
in open water in storm conditions. In winds over 60 knots, virtually
all of the high waves (10% of all waves) will break. Some breakers will
be found in lesser winds.

Breakers form when the wave steepness exceeds a certain limit. This can
happen as a function of wind alone - no bottom interaction is needed.
They will occur in any significant waves simply by the constructive
interference of two or more sub-critical waves.

These are true breakers, with plunging jets of solid water that is
moving roughly 30% faster than the waves - enough to create pressures of
several tons per square foot.

Jaxie's claim that waves can't break in open water is simply an old
wives tale.