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"Dave" let slip.... The goat locker and crew's quarters were amid ship. How convenient. Ship must have been designed by a CPO. Sounds like a Kiwi designed it. SV |
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Absolutely, After doing the Atlantic three times East to West (when I
delivered boats), catching the head of one Hurricane, and the tail of another plus losing a boat off Tennerife I can say that a 45 boat (again it depends which type make and model) would survive rough seas, Eg I would not take a Beneteau or a Hunter through some of my experiences however would do so with a Westerly, or a Cheoy Lee. "Scott Vernon" wrote in message ... "Dave" let slip.... The goat locker and crew's quarters were amid ship. How convenient. Ship must have been designed by a CPO. Sounds like a Kiwi designed it. SV |
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Patricia Cierniak wrote:
Absolutely, After doing the Atlantic three times East to West (when I delivered boats), catching the head of one Hurricane, and the tail of another plus losing a boat off Tennerife I can say that a 45 boat (again it depends which type make and model) would survive rough seas, Eg I would not take a Beneteau or a Hunter through some of my experiences however would do so with a Westerly, or a Cheoy Lee. Do you say Cheoy Lee because you think they are well-built seaworthy boats, or because you want to get them out of your country? Wether or a not a boat of a given size can survive a wave of given size is dependent on a *lot* of variables, of which the brand name stamped on it is one of the least significant. How steep is the wave? How much of the crest is breaking? Is it one of a series or train of normal waves for prevailing conditions, or is it a "freak" wave? Research suggests that boats can be capsized by waves of height equal to their beam, so a wave higher than the boat is long could be dangerous. A capsize or roll-over can sink a boat, or it could tear the rig off, or it could come back up with relatively nothing worse than a big mess in the cabin (unlikely but possible). Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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"DSK" wrote in message Research suggests that boats can be capsized by waves of height equal to their beam, so a wave higher than the boat is long could be dangerous. Research suggests that does it? Good Grief! CM |
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Capt. Mooron wrote:
... Good Grief! Well, that's certainly an intelligent comment. Can we expect more to follow? DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message .. . Capt. Mooron wrote: ... Good Grief! Well, that's certainly an intelligent comment. Can we expect more to follow? I don't know Doug... how can one argue with "Research suggests"... I mean what more can I add? CM |
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Capt. Mooron wrote:
I don't know Doug... how can one argue with "Research suggests"... I mean what more can I add? What more, indeed. One wonders why you added anything in the first place. Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam? I have. It seemed unlikely that they would capsize the boat. OTOH given a lightweight beamy boat and waves that are steep & violent, it's plausible. DSK |
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"DSK" wrote in message What more, indeed. One wonders why you added anything in the first place. That's the Thanks I get for being agreeable.....??? Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam? Oh yes Doug... I'm certain you've done it all... and nobody here has ever sailed in seas the height of their beam! Gosh knows that would never happen to me... way up here on the North Friggin' Atlantic!! Sheesh! I have. It seemed unlikely that they would capsize the boat. OTOH given a lightweight beamy boat and waves that are steep & violent, it's plausible. I'm certain if you look around ... you'll find research to suggest that. I do believe that your original statement regarding this premise was as follows: Wether or a not a boat of a given size can survive a wave of given size is dependent on a *lot* of variables, of which the brand name stamped on it is one of the least significant. I think a Hunter might meet the research criteria you stated.... OOPS...there goes a brand name. Nonetheless..... I doubt a 10 ft ocean wave is going to capsize my vessel... even if it's breaking and beam to. In 60 ft of water at the mouth of the bay here that opens onto the Atlantic... I get waves to 30+ feet and breaking. I've not only managed to turn my sailboat 360 degrees in those waves... but in a 30 ft Cape Islander fishing boat... on many occasions. I guess you just learn to deal with the ocean conditions if you want to go out in that kind of weather. CM .. |
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Have you ever sailed in waves as high as your boat's beam?
Capt. Mooron wrote: Oh yes Doug... I'm certain you've done it all... and nobody here has ever sailed in seas the height of their beam! Gosh knows that would never happen to me... way up here on the North Friggin' Atlantic!! Sheesh! You seema touch defensive. Did I imply that nobody had ever had any suc experience? Nonetheless..... I doubt a 10 ft ocean wave is going to capsize my vessel... even if it's breaking and beam to. That was the point of my earlier post. Perhaps it wasn't made clearly enough. Conditions that may result in a wave-induced rollover don't seem as dangerous as the physics suggest they are. In 60 ft of water at the mouth of the bay here that opens onto the Atlantic... I get waves to 30+ feet and breaking. While current-driven overfalls can get pretty bad, I'd be surprised if 60' deep water ever gets 30' waves. I've not only managed to turn my sailboat 360 degrees in those waves... but in a 30 ft Cape Islander fishing boat... on many occasions. I guess you just learn to deal with the ocean conditions if you want to go out in that kind of weather. And if "learning to deal with the conditions" results in a few capsizes or broken-up boats, then what? Very limited margin for error and a very steep learning curve. DSK |
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dougie, you used to be a hunter 19 sailor, but even that was too much for your
old body so you bought an easier to handle trawler. please refrain from commenting on things ocean. A **breaking** wave, not just any wave. And even then the boat has to be broadside to the wave. *breaking* wave does not mean "white caps". breaking waves occur in shallow water, one of the reasons experienced ocean sailor travel outside the hundred fathom line. "DSK" wrote in message Research suggests that boats can be capsized by waves of height equal to their beam, so a wave higher than the boat is long could be dangerous. |
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