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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:05:56 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: 12 average or 12 max? What I'm talking about here is 12 foot, wind driven waves, average height so that wave after wave is in the twelve foot range. That sort of wave is going to be pretty rare on Lake Erie. You'd have to be at the wrong end during a *sustained* big blow from a steady direction. While this is possible, the maximum you are likely to see is 6 feet, with 2 to 3 feet being the average windy day, depending on fetch, proximity to shore and reflection from the shore. Having said that, lake waves are nasty, more chaotic and bumpier than any ocean conditions I've experienced. The movement can be very tiring...luckily, everything's over pretty quickly in line squalls and you rarely lose control of your boat if you know how to sail in the first place. R. |
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:00:32 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 11:31:58 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: If a breeze feels twice as strong as one we know to be 15 knots, most people would call it 30 knots whereas it would actually only be 21. ============================= Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose. I've found it to be an infallible guide to near gale force conditions. Also, the rigging begins to howl like a banshee in that wind range and above. That's a good rule of thumb. By sitting at dock on squally days, you can compare the "note" of howling rigging to anenometer readings. That's how I can tell over 30 knots...it gets pretty damned noisy and stuff not secured begins to leave the boat. If you are close to shore, however, on a beam reach relative to shore and coming from there, you get lots of wind sound and a lot less water sound, because you can have 40 knots and 2 feet of waves. That's why lake sailing is fun because you can train your ear in less "uncontrolled" conditions. R. |
JAXAshby wrote:
Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose. I have sailed upwind in winds of 42+ and gusting and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also walked up on the foredeck up close and personal in 35 knot winds to take down one sail and put up another and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also sailed offshore in 40+ knot winds and have never seen the "tops ripped off waves". Maybe my eyesight has gone all to hell? Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. |
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Hey Jaxie DOOD, I got to level 1800 offshore a long time ago!
If you use a joystick instead of a mouse you can trim the cyber jib faster and it's way kewl. But it works like a real tiller so you got to be aware that left is right and right is left. Use a joystick and you'll get to level 2000 or even more. Hey Dood, did you try to lean way over in your chair when the program said you were heeling? If you do that it almost feels like a real boat but you gotta lean WAAAAY over and it's kinda scary just like on a real boat! Maybe even wear a speedo and splash a little water around while yelling "batten down the hatches" or some other suitable nautical talk. You can find lot's of nautical talk online too, but you already knew that of course. It makes pretending SO much easier. Plus there is a way kewl help file full of nautical sayings you can use. Mind you, you have to be really careful when you lean over in the chair like that Dood. I did it too far (Cyber squall was set to stun) and I fell right offa the chair! "MAN OVERBOARD" I yelled. Wow it was scary. I felt like such a idgit. If you try it Dood, make sure you inflate your wifie and put her on the floor beside you (to leeward!) so you have something squishy to land on. Plus she'll give you positive floatation. Then you can come here and tell everybody about how you fell overboard and your inflatable saved you! Later DOOD! JAXAshby wrote: dood, I just did 1,800 miles offshore. how about you? From: James Date: 12/22/2004 7:36 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose. I have sailed upwind in winds of 42+ and gusting and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also walked up on the foredeck up close and personal in 35 knot winds to take down one sail and put up another and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also sailed offshore in 40+ knot winds and have never seen the "tops ripped off waves". Maybe my eyesight has gone all to hell? Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. |
don't give up your day job, either of you. At least do not if you want to
sleep indoors most nights and eat more or less regularly. From: WaIIy Date: 12/23/2004 12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:36:05 -0500, James wrote: Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. You should get a job writing comedy. This is too funny. |
last month, jimmie. you wouldn't like it, jimmie. the waves got near three
feet high at one point and the winds howled at upwards of 18 knots. scair eeeee for bathtubs sailors like you who think that floating a rubber duck is an opportunity to spank the monkey while claiming to be doing britney spears. From: James Date: 12/23/2004 3:23 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Hey Jaxie DOOD, I got to level 1800 offshore a long time ago! If you use a joystick instead of a mouse you can trim the cyber jib faster and it's way kewl. But it works like a real tiller so you got to be aware that left is right and right is left. Use a joystick and you'll get to level 2000 or even more. Hey Dood, did you try to lean way over in your chair when the program said you were heeling? If you do that it almost feels like a real boat but you gotta lean WAAAAY over and it's kinda scary just like on a real boat! Maybe even wear a speedo and splash a little water around while yelling "batten down the hatches" or some other suitable nautical talk. You can find lot's of nautical talk online too, but you already knew that of course. It makes pretending SO much easier. Plus there is a way kewl help file full of nautical sayings you can use. Mind you, you have to be really careful when you lean over in the chair like that Dood. I did it too far (Cyber squall was set to stun) and I fell right offa the chair! "MAN OVERBOARD" I yelled. Wow it was scary. I felt like such a idgit. If you try it Dood, make sure you inflate your wifie and put her on the floor beside you (to leeward!) so you have something squishy to land on. Plus she'll give you positive floatation. Then you can come here and tell everybody about how you fell overboard and your inflatable saved you! Later DOOD! JAXAshby wrote: dood, I just did 1,800 miles offshore. how about you? From: James Date: 12/22/2004 7:36 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose. I have sailed upwind in winds of 42+ and gusting and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also walked up on the foredeck up close and personal in 35 knot winds to take down one sail and put up another and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also sailed offshore in 40+ knot winds and have never seen the "tops ripped off waves". Maybe my eyesight has gone all to hell? Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. |
JAXAshby wrote:
Tell us about upwind in 42+. What sails were you flying and on what kind of boat? a.) just a small jib. b.) a sloop Hey Jaxie DOOOD, you are being some kinda idgit or something. You forgot to answer question C)Did you soil your speedos? Wayne was good enought to ask..it would be rude for you to answer him. Or maybe you're just being a fumb duck (again)? |
Hi Jaxie DOOD my cyber PAL.
Wow, I checked out your record sailing simulator experience. Pretty impressive. Let's see, you said you sailed in 18 knot winds for 1800 miles. Now let's assume that your sailing simulator is not being too generous in assuming that you sailed at say.. 5 knots in that 18 knots of wind. Pretty Damned fast sailing! You must have been scared huh? Wow, sounds like you were stroking your joystick pretty liberally throughout that whole cyber sailing experience! You cyber sailed 1800 miles at 5 knots. That would take roughly 360 hours, or approximately 15 days. Funny thing is, you managed to post here alomst EVERY SINGLE DAY last month too. How KEWL is that? That's pretty amazing DOOD! Then again, since your sailing simulator is running under Windows you can multitask, huh Jaxie Dood? But that sure is a long long time to sit at the computer non-stop stroking your joystick huh? I bet your butt was pretty numb after that. Hahaha. Then again maybe you used your cyber autohelm and slept a lot too? Only an idgit would forget to use his cyber autohelm. But no doubt you stood your cyber watches like a good lil Dood. Of course you could have inflated the Mrs. and duct taped her little rubber hands to the joystick. Wouldn't be the first time you and the Mrs. got into creative duct tape uses now would it? Anyway. that's way kewl Dood. After all, only a complete and total IDGIT would post a B.S. claim that they sailed 1800 miles when in fact they just sat at a PC the whole time posting on usenet. I'd say you are one clever Dood... or something. JAXAshby wrote: last month, jimmie. you wouldn't like it, jimmie. the waves got near three feet high at one point and the winds howled at upwards of 18 knots. scair eeeee for bathtubs sailors like you who think that floating a rubber duck is an opportunity to spank the monkey while claiming to be doing britney spears. From: James Date: 12/23/2004 3:23 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Hey Jaxie DOOD, I got to level 1800 offshore a long time ago! If you use a joystick instead of a mouse you can trim the cyber jib faster and it's way kewl. But it works like a real tiller so you got to be aware that left is right and right is left. Use a joystick and you'll get to level 2000 or even more. Hey Dood, did you try to lean way over in your chair when the program said you were heeling? If you do that it almost feels like a real boat but you gotta lean WAAAAY over and it's kinda scary just like on a real boat! Maybe even wear a speedo and splash a little water around while yelling "batten down the hatches" or some other suitable nautical talk. You can find lot's of nautical talk online too, but you already knew that of course. It makes pretending SO much easier. Plus there is a way kewl help file full of nautical sayings you can use. Mind you, you have to be really careful when you lean over in the chair like that Dood. I did it too far (Cyber squall was set to stun) and I fell right offa the chair! "MAN OVERBOARD" I yelled. Wow it was scary. I felt like such a idgit. If you try it Dood, make sure you inflate your wifie and put her on the floor beside you (to leeward!) so you have something squishy to land on. Plus she'll give you positive floatation. Then you can come here and tell everybody about how you fell overboard and your inflatable saved you! Later DOOD! JAXAshby wrote: dood, I just did 1,800 miles offshore. how about you? From: James Date: 12/22/2004 7:36 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: Somewhere between 30 and 35 knots the wind begins to rip off the wave tops and send them through the air like the stream from a fire hose. I have sailed upwind in winds of 42+ and gusting and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also walked up on the foredeck up close and personal in 35 knot winds to take down one sail and put up another and have never seen the "tops ripped off the waves". I have also sailed offshore in 40+ knot winds and have never seen the "tops ripped off waves". Maybe my eyesight has gone all to hell? Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. |
Hey Jaxie DOOD
Confessing like that is pretty impressive. We think it's admirable that when asked: C)Did you soil your speedos? You found it to be a sexual question. Diaper fetishes are way more common than most people think. Not so sure about soiled Speedo fetishes though. But whatever floats your boat is ok with us DOOD. Good thing the Mrs. is rubber huh? Cleans easily. JAXAshby wrote: sorry jimmie. I am not interested sexually in any thing not born female. get used to it. From: James Date: 12/23/2004 9:49 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: Tell us about upwind in 42+. What sails were you flying and on what kind of boat? a.) just a small jib. b.) a sloop Hey Jaxie DOOOD, you are being some kinda idgit or something. You forgot to answer question C)Did you soil your speedos? Wayne was good enought to ask..it would be rude for you to answer him. Or maybe you're just being a fumb duck (again)? |
Hey Jaxie Dood!
What's "A ACETONE"? Is it a verb maybe? Like, hey you, get out of my way or I'll give you A ACETONE you'll never forget. Or maybe something to do with music? Like a baratone or A ACETONE? I can't find "A ACETONE" anyplace on my sailing simulator program. What is it? Can I call Sears and order up A ACETONE? You are way smart Jaxie Dood. No way anybody would call you a IDGIT that's for sure. I wish I was smart like Jaxie Dood so I too would know what "A ACETONE" is! But I am just a fumb duck who doesn't know what A ACETONE is. Sadly, I don't even have any horribly revolting pictures of me in a speedo to share. Makes me so sad. JAXAshby wrote: junnie, you gasp at the suggestion of a acetone on the early spring Saturday morning. From: Gene Kearns age Date: 12/22/2004 9:21 PM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 19:36:05 -0500, James wrote: Now Jax, don't be such an idgit, dood. PC based sailing simulated 40+ knot winds don't count. Ask your wife (after you re-inflate her that is) if some day you can go for a ride on a REAL boat. Dood, you have to get out on a real boat...computer silumations are not the same thing. You'll see waves and birds and all kinds of things if you can get a ride on somebodies boat some day. Any volunteers want to take Jaxie Dood for a sail? He'll stay outside in case he gets scared and urinates by accident. It only happened twice using the simulator but you can't be too careful. Let's have a show of hands. ROFLMAO... oh, god..... I can't get my breath...... -- Grady-White Gulfstream, out of Southport, NC. http://myworkshop.idleplay.net/ Homepage* http://www.southharbourvillageinn.com/directions.asp Where Southport,NC is located. http://www.thebayguide.com/rec.boats Rec.boats at Lee Yeaton's Bayguide * If you find that you are denied access to my web page, Please respond here with your IP address and I will see if I can open up access. I have been forced to blackhole large geographic regions outside of North America due to incessant spoofing and hacking attacks on my web server. Thanks. |
Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 01:30:40 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: Those are streaks on the water surface. He's talking about the tops blowing off and keeping right on going. It really gets your attention the first time you see it. ================== Oh yes. It also gets your attention when it hits you or flys horizontally through your companionway. Also known as a flying fish, or big gob of freezing Neptune snot. Catch one in your face, lose your glasses while falling down, gybe, get conked, gybe again, get hanged at boom's end, catch your oil slickers sleeve end in a winch knot to windward with the storm jib aback going aground, etc, and later, in the yacht club bar, all bandaged up and seeking solace in Bacchus, you hear yourself described by the power "captain" you almost rammed in 7 feet of charted water after he snuck up close under your sail at 28 knots talking about drunken sailors and obstructions and rights of way to navigate unrestricted, blah blah, blah. Never actually saw one get launched, but know they exist. Terry K |
no, jimmie. get used to it.
From: James Date: 12/23/2004 10:20 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: Hey Jaxie DOOD Confessing like that is pretty impressive. We think it's admirable that when asked: C)Did you soil your speedos? You found it to be a sexual question. Diaper fetishes are way more common than most people think. Not so sure about soiled Speedo fetishes though. But whatever floats your boat is ok with us DOOD. Good thing the Mrs. is rubber huh? Cleans easily. JAXAshby wrote: sorry jimmie. I am not interested sexually in any thing not born female. get used to it. From: James Date: 12/23/2004 9:49 AM Eastern Standard Time Message-id: JAXAshby wrote: Tell us about upwind in 42+. What sails were you flying and on what kind of boat? a.) just a small jib. b.) a sloop Hey Jaxie DOOOD, you are being some kinda idgit or something. You forgot to answer question C)Did you soil your speedos? Wayne was good enought to ask..it would be rude for you to answer him. Or maybe you're just being a fumb duck (again)? |
James wrote:
Hey Jaxie DOODredacted Go away, you coarse little man. Terry K |
James wrote: Hey Jaxie DOOD Confessing like that is pretty impressive. We think it's admirable that when asked: C)Did you soil your speedos? Geez... Now you've made yourself the second person I've had to killfile on RBC. Jax was the first. Plonk |
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:16:20 -0500, James wrote:
Hey Jaxie Dood! What's "A ACETONE"? I believe it's the amplifier you buy for an air guitar... |
Roger Long wrote:
Another common over estimation is wind speed. I was quite surprised when I started carrying a pocket wind gauge with me while sailing. . . Part of your surprise may be due to the velocity gradient. The wind blows harder the higher you are above sea level, with the gradient being stronger or weaker depending on how stable condtions are. It is caused by friction with the sea; at the sea surface windspeed is effectively zero, rapidly increasing in the first few feet, but is still several knots different from deck level to mast top, where sailboat wind sensors are. I've seen conditions (building wind from a calm) where it's blowing 10 knots 55 feet up, and only 5 knots on deck, measured by acccurate sensors. It's one of the reasons the big boys with the ninety foot sticks seem to be able to move in drifting conditions while the punters are becalmed. |
On 24 Dec 2004 22:16:50 -0800, "Mark" wrote:
Roger Long wrote: Another common over estimation is wind speed. I was quite surprised when I started carrying a pocket wind gauge with me while sailing. . . Part of your surprise may be due to the velocity gradient. The wind blows harder the higher you are above sea level, with the gradient being stronger or weaker depending on how stable condtions are. It is caused by friction with the sea; at the sea surface windspeed is effectively zero, rapidly increasing in the first few feet, but is still several knots different from deck level to mast top, where sailboat wind sensors are. I've seen conditions (building wind from a calm) where it's blowing 10 knots 55 feet up, and only 5 knots on deck, measured by acccurate sensors. It's one of the reasons the big boys with the ninety foot sticks seem to be able to move in drifting conditions while the punters are becalmed. That would probably explain why so many more trees were blown down in my neighborhood in Pensacola when hurricane Ivan came ashore. We lost 8 of 10 trees in my front yard. That was normal in our neighborhood on the NE side of Pensacola where we are at 115' above sea level. The neighborhoods at only 10' above sea level did not lose nearly as many trees. mike -- Mike Hendrix Pensacola http://travellogs.us/ |
Hello all
So if i am in a 24' trailer sailer with my head hight aprox 5' off the water and all i can see is sky and the side of the wave and a 80.5 meter light house 1.5nm away is out of sight in the troughs (worked by sounding and bearing) LOCATION: Latitude 32° 0.5' S, Longitude 115° 30.1' E i estimated 8' to 12' breeze was forcast 30/35 kn i was knocked down twice and had a ball. http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/....htm#Operation shaun Ryk wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:56:36 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: The method for getting accurate wave height data from a boat is to know the height above the waterline of some points at different heights. You then stand on one and stretch or crouch until you find yourself looking across the tops of the waves when the boat is in the trough. It usually takes a few waves to get an average but it's quite striking when you get the right position. You then measure from eye to feet and add it to the height known. That's the average wave height. I'm reassured. That's the approach I take when trying to make estimates and I'm usually fairly consistent with what the Coast Guard is broadcasting. I was wondering if you had some other secret trick. I've often been amused to have even fairly experienced sailors say that the waves must be eight feet. I usually don't point out that our eyes are perhaps six feet above the surface and we can still see all the tops when we are down in the trough. Losing all the shoreside lights in the troughs can be quite dramatic, and they are definitely higher off the water than the rest of the wave crests. Ryk |
That sounds like fun. However, the fact that the lighthouse is out of
sight is meaningless - that could occur in a modest swell. 80 meters at 1.5 miles is roughly 3 parts in a hundred, or a 2 degree elevation. Even is you have a 5 foot eye height from the water line (doubtful unless you're standing) if you're in the trough of a 10 foot swell the light would not be visible if the wavelength is under about 200 feet. If the wave height is only one foot above eye level the view of the light is cut if the half wavelength is under 30 feet. shaun wrote: Hello all So if i am in a 24' trailer sailer with my head hight aprox 5' off the water and all i can see is sky and the side of the wave and a 80.5 meter light house 1.5nm away is out of sight in the troughs (worked by sounding and bearing) LOCATION: Latitude 32° 0.5' S, Longitude 115° 30.1' E i estimated 8' to 12' breeze was forcast 30/35 kn i was knocked down twice and had a ball. http://www.lighthouse.net.au/lights/....htm#Operation shaun Ryk wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 02:56:36 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: The method for getting accurate wave height data from a boat is to know the height above the waterline of some points at different heights. You then stand on one and stretch or crouch until you find yourself looking across the tops of the waves when the boat is in the trough. It usually takes a few waves to get an average but it's quite striking when you get the right position. You then measure from eye to feet and add it to the height known. That's the average wave height. I'm reassured. That's the approach I take when trying to make estimates and I'm usually fairly consistent with what the Coast Guard is broadcasting. I was wondering if you had some other secret trick. I've often been amused to have even fairly experienced sailors say that the waves must be eight feet. I usually don't point out that our eyes are perhaps six feet above the surface and we can still see all the tops when we are down in the trough. Losing all the shoreside lights in the troughs can be quite dramatic, and they are definitely higher off the water than the rest of the wave crests. Ryk |
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