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Our new boat.
We closed on the boat that sparked the Lake Erie posts yesterday. I've set
up a section on my web site about the search and purchase for family and friends. If anyone here is interested: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat.htm -- Roger Long |
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Roger Long wrote:
We closed on the boat that sparked the Lake Erie posts yesterday. Congrats! ... I've set up a section on my web site about the search and purchase for family and friends. Ditch the watery looking background. Makes the website hard to read. ... If anyone here is interested: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat.htm Hmm... looks a lot like a Morgan of slightly older vintage... bound to be a nice boat! Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 00:40:52 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: We closed on the boat that sparked the Lake Erie posts yesterday. I've set up a section on my web site about the search and purchase for family and friends. If anyone here is interested: http://home.maine.rr.com/rlma/Boat.htm Very interesting tale. I am checking out (early stages) steel ketches and cutters in the 38-45 foot range for a proposed circumnavigation in 4 years or so. There are a surprising number of ocean-ready metal boats on the Great Lakes (you can't be bothered by hard chines, tho') that have never seen salt OR are 95% finished by craftsmen owner/builders who've died or swallowed the anchor. Lots of crap, lots of absolute bargains, and little corrosion if done right. Also, you can factor in that with a six-month sailing season on the Lakes, these boats are half as worn as, say, the average Florida liveaboard. The simple fact is that a boat owned by an indifferent owner can go to hell in five years of hard use; a 40 year old "classic plastic" can be made "better than factory" if a regular schedule of repair and upgrades by a motivated and "boat-proud" owner is established. And none of it need cut into your sailing time. So I agree that your logic was flawless and I wish you well with what looks like a competant coastal cruiser. With an old boat, though, you will have to keep on top of deck core rot, bedding issues and all that salt air finding metal coated "good enough for Michigan" but not good enough for the Atlantic. R. |
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I feel even better now that I've been down to the waterfront to get to know
my local Yamaha mechanic. I said, "2QM20" and he crossed is finger in the air and said, "You're going to need a new engine. Those are all dying right about now." I told him the boat was from the Great Lakes and he said, "Oh, no problem. In that case, it's a great engine and should be almost as good as new. You should get 15 more years out of it easy." BTW I'm a former sailing yacht and tall ship designer still designing commercial power boats. Feel free to pick my brains about any boats you are looking at. -- Roger Long |
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Roger Long wrote:
I feel even better now that I've been down to the waterfront to get to know my local Yamaha mechanic. I said, "2QM20" and he crossed is finger in the air and said, "You're going to need a new engine. Those are all dying right about now." I told him the boat was from the Great Lakes and he said, "Oh, no problem. In that case, it's a great engine and should be almost as good as new. You should get 15 more years out of it easy." BTW I'm a former sailing yacht and tall ship designer still designing commercial power boats. Feel free to pick my brains about any boats you are looking at. Is that salt water cooled (i.e. no heat exchanger?) |
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Yes. I actually went in to ask about converting it to either keel cooling
or heat exchanger. They said not to bother under the circumstances. Since that was turning down a potential grand of labor, I think they were probably telling me the truth as they see it. Nice thing about raw water and wet exhaust is that there is only one pump. If something interrupts the water flow, you are alerted by the smoke and smell of burning rubber hose before you overheat and ruin your engine -- Roger Long "Jeff Morris" wrote in message ... Roger Long wrote: I feel even better now that I've been down to the waterfront to get to know my local Yamaha mechanic. I said, "2QM20" and he crossed is finger in the air and said, "You're going to need a new engine. Those are all dying right about now." I told him the boat was from the Great Lakes and he said, "Oh, no problem. In that case, it's a great engine and should be almost as good as new. You should get 15 more years out of it easy." BTW I'm a former sailing yacht and tall ship designer still designing commercial power boats. Feel free to pick my brains about any boats you are looking at. Is that salt water cooled (i.e. no heat exchanger?) |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 19:30:41 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: Nice thing about raw water and wet exhaust is that there is only one pump. If something interrupts the water flow, you are alerted by the smoke and smell of burning rubber hose before you overheat and ruin your engine Don't count on that, as I wrecked a raw water Atomic 4 back when I was a newbie by forgetting to open the raw water seacock. The impeller will shred rapidly, clogging your block, which is to be avoided. My solution was two-fold: put the engine key on a carbiner and hang on the seacock handle (I keep it closed because I've seen two boat sink at dock from hose failure). The other method is to install a hot-water alarm that goes off if the manifold water gets above a certain point. Same idea as a low-pressure oil circuit: a screeching BEEP will make you switch off the engine first, and figure out what's died on you. Oh, yeah, I watch my dials and stick my head over the transom now a LOT more. Expensive and time-consuming mistake, but I was too new then to avoid it. R. |
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On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:53:34 GMT, "Roger Long"
wrote: I told him the boat was from the Great Lakes and he said, "Oh, no problem. In that case, it's a great engine and should be almost as good as new. You should get 15 more years out of it easy." That's about right, and a very good argument for freshwater cooling via an exchanger. Even in lake water, it can't hurt to run clean coolant instead of whatever you happen to be sailing in, which can have goo, poo and/or mussels in it. BTW I'm a former sailing yacht and tall ship designer still designing commercial power boats. Feel free to pick my brains about any boats you are looking at. Thanks..as time progresses I'll need all the other points of view I can handle! I can't always count on guys like Skip Gundlach being online G. A good friend is debating parting with his Goderich (Huromic) 41 (Bob Wallstrom design that looks a lot like what his then-partner Ted Brewer was designing). I've also liked the Kanter 45 Atlantic (which is a like a stretch version of the Goderich), and I've personally checked out a Subrero-Prince 40, a 1980 French boat that showed, sadly, a lot of sub-deck rust. Too bad, as it was a CC pilothouse cutter-ketch, which I think when combined with a NACA foil and skeg-hung rudder, is just about ideal for safe world cruising with plenty of stowage and yet not hopeless at pointing. Of course if I win a lottery, I'd love to get a Brewer Alaska 43 (old school!), a Shearwater 45 or an Amel SuperMaru...sigh...so I haven't ruled out fibreglass! G R. |
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"rhys" wrote in message
... On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 18:53:34 GMT, "Roger Long" wrote: I told him the boat was from the Great Lakes and he said, "Oh, no problem. In that case, it's a great engine and should be almost as good as new. You should get 15 more years out of it easy." That's about right, and a very good argument for freshwater cooling via an exchanger. Even in lake water, it can't hurt to run clean coolant instead of whatever you happen to be sailing in, which can have goo, poo and/or mussels in it. ...as time progresses I'll need all the other points of view I can handle! I can't always count on guys like Skip Gundlach being online G. Hey! I resemble that remark. However, today is a good day for me to see this, as I just winterized (in my case, draining the water out is all I have to do) my ski boat, as we're headed into the teens this weekend. The exhaust manifolds spewed water that looked just like the red mud bottom of the lake. There's not enough circulation/volume, and it tends to accumulate, so, there you have it. The water from the block and water pump was totally clear... You'll not likely find a freshwater cooled ski boat, and in any case, it was the exhaust manifolds, but it sure illustrated the point! FWIW, for the very few watching, Flying Pig is coming along agonizingly and excruciatingly slowly and expensively. Everything expands once you get into it, and only one project is anywhere near completion, and another, which should have been finished over a month ago, is just now ready to proceed smoothly, all the other hiccups (presumably) having been dealt with. I'm accumulating pictures in the currently-about-15 project folders; once any have finished, I'll put them up on the gallery and tell the story. At this point I'm praying the critical ones (I'm sure the less-than-critical likely won't be touched) will be finished in time for us to leave... L8R Skip and Lydia -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig http://tinyurl.com/384p2 "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:21:48 -0500, "Skip Gundlach" skipgundlach sez
use my name at earthlink dot fishcatcher (net) - with apologies for the spamtrap wrote: You'll not likely find a freshwater cooled ski boat, and in any case, it was the exhaust manifolds, but it sure illustrated the point! We winterize for real in Toronto, and part of that is putting a T-connection after the pump but before the block. This T has a hose fitting for a garden hose and you can flush the block with city pressure straight out the back end. The first 15-20 seconds ain't pretty, even in a clean lake. After that, you seal that T off and run pink antifreeze via the raw water pump until it too flies out the back. Then fog the carb, drain the fuel pump, spoon oil down the cylinders...and as the guy who taught me this stuff says, you can "sleep soundly as the February blizzards howl around your frozen boat". FWIW, for the very few watching, Flying Pig is coming along agonizingly and excruciatingly slowly and expensively. Everything expands once you get into it, and only one project is anywhere near completion, and another, which should have been finished over a month ago, is just now ready to proceed smoothly, all the other hiccups (presumably) having been dealt with. This can't be news: the recreational boater's "rule of three" is in full effect. Multiply all costs by three to achieve a predictable tally, just as the word "marine" in front of a boat gear noun implies the same multiple. R. |
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