I really don't want to sound like I'm bashing KISS, as I have one and
like it, but I've found that if I have a sustained output of 17A or more
that the thermal breakers on the KISS start opening. When a breaker
opens, the unit runs a lot more roughly, so you can hear it. The
generator outputs 18A at 20 kts and 25A at 25 kts. Very impressive. You
can see the output curve at http://www.kissenergy.com/OutputCurve.html.


I have a LED based amp meter that only shows the output of the solar
panels and wind generator, so I can easily tell what the wind is blowing
by just looking at amp display. I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

-- Geoff

"Doug Dotson" wrote in
:

That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and
does so with very little noise.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...
I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring.
The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense
of power.
If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled
in 18
to 20 knots apparrent.
It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions
persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers.
This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water.


"James" wrote in message
...

I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature,
the Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than
the (very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air
Marine.

Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind
generator as compared to the old Air Marine one?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in
particular? Real world experience is what I am looking for...the
advertisign hype isn't much use. Experience is.

Thanks

Jimmy

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed
bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap"
tactic G

R.

One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60
inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means
more power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the
extra size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous.

Any thoughts?


Doug Dotson wrote:
That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and
does so with very little noise.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...

I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring.
The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of
power.
If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in
18
to 20 knots apparrent.
It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions
persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers.
This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water.


"James" wrote in message
om...

I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the
Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the
(very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine.

Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind
generator as compared to the old Air Marine one?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular?
Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype
isn't much use. Experience is.

Thanks

Jimmy

Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as
I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any more
dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you
tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can
generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2
FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in
diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount
oif power.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60
inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more
power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra
size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous.

Any thoughts?


Doug Dotson wrote:
That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and
does so with very little noise.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...

I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring.
The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of
power.
If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in
18
to 20 knots apparrent.
It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions
persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers.
This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water.


"James" wrote in message
. com...

I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the
Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the
(very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine.

Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind
generator as compared to the old Air Marine one?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular?
Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype
isn't much use. Experience is.

Thanks

Jimmy

Doug,

Please clarify. Are you saying the guy with 2 red barons generate the
same approx. amount of power as just one KISS?

Jimmy


Doug Dotson wrote:
Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as
I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any more
dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you
tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can
generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2
FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in
diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount
oif power.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60
inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more
power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra
size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous.

Any thoughts?


Doug Dotson wrote:

That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and
does so with very little noise.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
...


I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring.
The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of
power.
If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled in
18
to 20 knots apparrent.
It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions
persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers.
This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water.


"James" wrote in message
.com...


I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature, the
Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the
(very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine.

Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind
generator as compared to the old Air Marine one?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular?
Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype
isn't much use. Experience is.

Thanks

Jimmy

My impression is that one of his Baron's did about as well as
a KISS. Probably worth a trip to FourWinds website to see what they
claim.

Doug
s/v Callista

"James" wrote in message
. ..
Doug,

Please clarify. Are you saying the guy with 2 red barons generate the same
approx. amount of power as just one KISS?

Jimmy


Doug Dotson wrote:
Mounting it wasn't particularly difficult. Uses the same setup as
I have seen with many of the smaller generators. I doubt if it is any
more
dangerous. Even a small generator can kill you pretty easily if you
tangle with the blades. The larger diameter does mean it can
generator more power. I was just talking to a guy that has 2
FourWinds Red Baron generators. They are somewhat smaller in
diameter than KISS but seem to generate about the same amount
oif power.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...

One issue I've had with the KISS system is the larger diameter - 60
inches. The Air-X is only 46 inches. Clearly the larger size means more
power, but is it also a liability? I've been concerned that the extra
size will make it harder to mount and a but more dangerous.

Any thoughts?


Doug Dotson wrote:

That's why I prefer the KISS. It puts out about 19A at 20 kts and
does so with very little noise.

Doug
s/v CAllista

"Steve Thomas" wrote in message
m...


I spent 11 days at sea with an Air-X this spring.
The noise is tolerable, but the reduction is achieved at the expense of
power.
If my memory serves correctly, we got around 5.8 amperes close hauled
in 18
to 20 knots apparrent.
It wasn't my boat and I don't have the log, but the above conditions
persisted for 5 days, so I am pretty certain about these numbers.
This was with a stern pole mount, about 12 feet above the water.


"James" wrote in message
l.com...


I am looking at wind generators. According to the latest literature,
the
Air-X marine wind generator is claimed to be 80% less noisy than the
(very loud and annoying in my opinion) older model, the Air Marine.

Can anyone offer any first hand experience with Air-X Marine wind
generator as compared to the old Air Marine one?

Also, does anyone have any recommendations for products in particular?
Real world experience is what I am looking for...the advertisign hype
isn't much use. Experience is.

Thanks

Jimmy

"rhys" wrote in message

...
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed
bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap"
tactic G

R.

That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind
you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source?


--
Evan Gatehouse

you'll have to rewrite my email address to get to me
ceilydh AT 3web dot net
(fools the spammers)

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


"rhys" wrote in message

.. .
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:

I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed
bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap"
tactic G

R.

That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind
you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source?

Ah yes, the telltale compass. I've wanted one for years. Take a look
he

http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2BC526E9

and you'll see why I don't have one yet. Sure like to find one at a
reasonable price.


__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Glen "Wiley" Wilson wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


"rhys" wrote in message

. ..

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:33:03 GMT, Geoff Schultz
wrote:


I can see it from the v-berth where we
sleep, so it's a quick way to tell what's going on with the wind without
having to get up.

Ah, my kind of sailor. I'll bet you've recycled a cloudy-domed
bulkhead compass for the same "roll over, check course, resume nap"
tactic G

R.

That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind
you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source?


Ah yes, the telltale compass. I've wanted one for years. Take a look
he

http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2BC526E9

and you'll see why I don't have one yet. Sure like to find one at a
reasonable price.


__________________________________________________ __________
Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com
To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious.

Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and
logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/

Plastimo makes a great hand bearing compass that comes with a mounting
bracket. You can mount it to a bulkhead or overhead and read it no
problem while mounted, and snap it out of the mount to use on deck for
taking bearings. Cost is only about $100.00. Two versions, one lighted
(batteries) one not.

I've had one for a couple of years. It's ideal for use near a bunk.
Beats getting out of a warm bed anytime!

On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:14:17 -0800, "Evan Gatehouse"
wrote:


R.

That's one item I'd like to find: a "read from below" compass - the kind
you mount on the overhead above your berth. Anybody have a source?

Not without spending ten minutes with Google...but I suspect that the
type of gimballed aviation compass of several decades back and
mountable on bulkheads would work quite well if you kept it away from
nearby steel deck gear.

R.