I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

Try this for an experiment:

Cover up your windshield and drive entirely by trying to follow the line
on you car's GPS system. That's what you doing on a boat in the fog.

Also, consider that the streets have been well mapped in the last few
years by survey companies that drive around in cars and mark each
intersection. Many nautical charts are based on century old data. Much
of the issue is the map/chart quality, not the accuracy of the GPS itself.

Actually, the boat gps is just as accurate, perhaps even better since
there is no shielding from high buildings. Its just that on a boat you
may be relying 100% on the GPS as the primary, and perhaps only, source
of position. In a car, you glance occasionally at the map plotter and
would never notice if the GPS sometimes said you were on someone's front
lawn.

One can easily imagine a situation on a boat where failure of the GPS
would cause you to drop anchor and wait until the weather clears; I
doubt you would do the same in a car!


BTW, my wife got a new car with a nav system just last night. It
currently in the driveway reporting two different street addresses
(depending on how you ask), both wrong. Both are actually nonexistent
addresses - one of them would be a hundred yards past the other end of a
dead end street. The actually position on the map is well reported,
however.


anchorlt wrote:
I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

Try this for an experiment:

Cover up your windshield and drive entirely by trying to follow the line
on you car's GPS system. That's what you doing on a boat in the fog.

This thread is interesting!

alot of things I never thought about.

Tim

We tried a WAAS enabled Garmin and were able to successfully navigate to
each
of the Taps at our Sailing Clubs bar. We entered waypoints and were
successful
in navigating back to each tap. Unfortunately after several demonstrations,
our
ability to navigate back to the appropriate tap started to
diminish...However,
I'm reasonable sure it had nothing to do with the position displayed on the
GPS. :-)

--
Cheers,
Jeffrey Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Try this for an experiment:

Cover up your windshield and drive entirely by trying to follow the line
on you car's GPS system. That's what you doing on a boat in the fog.

Also, consider that the streets have been well mapped in the last few
years by survey companies that drive around in cars and mark each
intersection. Many nautical charts are based on century old data. Much
of the issue is the map/chart quality, not the accuracy of the GPS itself.

Actually, the boat gps is just as accurate, perhaps even better since
there is no shielding from high buildings. Its just that on a boat you
may be relying 100% on the GPS as the primary, and perhaps only, source of
position. In a car, you glance occasionally at the map plotter and would
never notice if the GPS sometimes said you were on someone's front lawn.

One can easily imagine a situation on a boat where failure of the GPS
would cause you to drop anchor and wait until the weather clears; I doubt
you would do the same in a car!


BTW, my wife got a new car with a nav system just last night. It
currently in the driveway reporting two different street addresses
(depending on how you ask), both wrong. Both are actually nonexistent
addresses - one of them would be a hundred yards past the other end of a
dead end street. The actually position on the map is well reported,
however.


anchorlt wrote:
I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars? My car GPS is so accurate it
tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

Hilarious!

But as we know (and has been mentioned at length in another thread), one
should not rely on a single method of navigation. I presume the GPS in this
case was supplemented by celestial (if an outdoor bar), or dead reckoning???

--Alan G.

"DARat" wrote in message
...
We tried a WAAS enabled Garmin and were able to successfully navigate to
each
of the Taps at our Sailing Clubs bar. We entered waypoints and were
successful
in navigating back to each tap. Unfortunately after several
demonstrations, our
ability to navigate back to the appropriate tap started to
diminish...However,
I'm reasonable sure it had nothing to do with the position displayed on
the
GPS. :-)

--
Cheers,
Jeffrey Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Try this for an experiment:

Cover up your windshield and drive entirely by trying to follow the line
on you car's GPS system. That's what you doing on a boat in the fog.

Also, consider that the streets have been well mapped in the last few
years by survey companies that drive around in cars and mark each
intersection. Many nautical charts are based on century old data. Much
of the issue is the map/chart quality, not the accuracy of the GPS
itself.

Actually, the boat gps is just as accurate, perhaps even better since
there is no shielding from high buildings. Its just that on a boat you
may be relying 100% on the GPS as the primary, and perhaps only, source
of position. In a car, you glance occasionally at the map plotter and
would never notice if the GPS sometimes said you were on someone's front
lawn.

One can easily imagine a situation on a boat where failure of the GPS
would cause you to drop anchor and wait until the weather clears; I doubt
you would do the same in a car!


BTW, my wife got a new car with a nav system just last night. It
currently in the driveway reporting two different street addresses
(depending on how you ask), both wrong. Both are actually nonexistent
addresses - one of them would be a hundred yards past the other end of a
dead end street. The actually position on the map is well reported,
however.


anchorlt wrote:
I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars? My car GPS is so accurate it
tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

Yeah, definitely dead reckoning. :-)

--
Cheers,
Jeffrey Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
"Alan Gomes" wrote in message
news:C4apd.80995$V41.318@attbi_s52...
Hilarious!

But as we know (and has been mentioned at length in another thread), one
should not rely on a single method of navigation. I presume the GPS in
this case was supplemented by celestial (if an outdoor bar), or dead
reckoning???

--Alan G.

"DARat" wrote in message
...
We tried a WAAS enabled Garmin and were able to successfully navigate to
each
of the Taps at our Sailing Clubs bar. We entered waypoints and were
successful
in navigating back to each tap. Unfortunately after several
demonstrations, our
ability to navigate back to the appropriate tap started to
diminish...However,
I'm reasonable sure it had nothing to do with the position displayed on
the
GPS. :-)

--
Cheers,
Jeffrey Nelson
Muir Caileag
C&C 30
"Jeff Morris" wrote in message
...
Try this for an experiment:

Cover up your windshield and drive entirely by trying to follow the line
on you car's GPS system. That's what you doing on a boat in the fog.

Also, consider that the streets have been well mapped in the last few
years by survey companies that drive around in cars and mark each
intersection. Many nautical charts are based on century old data. Much
of the issue is the map/chart quality, not the accuracy of the GPS
itself.

Actually, the boat gps is just as accurate, perhaps even better since
there is no shielding from high buildings. Its just that on a boat you
may be relying 100% on the GPS as the primary, and perhaps only, source
of position. In a car, you glance occasionally at the map plotter and
would never notice if the GPS sometimes said you were on someone's front
lawn.

One can easily imagine a situation on a boat where failure of the GPS
would cause you to drop anchor and wait until the weather clears; I
doubt you would do the same in a car!


BTW, my wife got a new car with a nav system just last night. It
currently in the driveway reporting two different street addresses
(depending on how you ask), both wrong. Both are actually nonexistent
addresses - one of them would be a hundred yards past the other end of a
dead end street. The actually position on the map is well reported,
however.


anchorlt wrote:
I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars? My car GPS is so accurate it
tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

anchorlt,
I have a hand held Garmin. When I first got it, and had tracking
enabled, I piloted a course that took me under a draw bridge. The tracking
showed that I was about a 1/4 mile inland, most disconcerting. I called Boat
U.S. where I had bought it and was advised to "reset" the unit by depressing
a button with a paper clip. After this it reported my track to be exactly
right. My experience has been very positive to accuracy.
Paul

"anchorlt" wrote in message
om...
I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

(anchorlt) wrote:

I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

There are two parameters here - the accuracy of the GPS and the
accuracy of the chart or map that it is being tracked on.

When I have the tracking on the car GPS it sometimes has me parallel
to the road but off it by a considerable amount. Most of the time the
tracking on the boat is very good. If there is a discrepancy it is
often because the chart or map is off.


grandma Rosalie

On 23 Nov 2004 11:01:16 -0800, (anchorlt)
wrote:

I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

GPS receivers that are intended for road use often have a "lock to
road" feature, that will lock your displayed position to the nearest
road that the GPS knows about, regardless of your true position.

This sort of function is definitely not desirable for marine use.


--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca
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On 23 Nov 2004 11:01:16 -0800, (anchorlt)
wrote:

I keep reading about GPS for boats and how innacurate it can be.

Why is the same not innacurate in cars?

My car GPS is so accurate it tells me I am on the white line at a
traffic signal stop light or in my driveway.

Why not the same for boats?

Actually it works better in boats, because the sky is clearer. It can
tell you which side of the finger pier your slip is on, and whether
you backed in.

However, if you have only one GPS receiver, and no other way of
telling where you are, you are stuck if it fails. If course, they are
so cheap now that nobody would have only one if matters.

If the satellites all quit, you have far more serious things to worry
about than where you are. Or, you have no worries at all.



Rodney Myrvaagnes Opionated old geezer

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