Death nell for 2 cycle outboards?
 

I was told by a mechanic at a local marina today that all major mfj's are
going four cycle which is fine with me. But one reason why is because EPA
emmision standards will be stamping out new production of 2-cycle outboards.
AND in a couple years 2-cycle outboards, especially large horspower models
will eventually be banned from use on several lakes, due to water polution.

Does anybody have any info on this? and what the new EPA standards will consist
of?

if a link or so can be provided, I'd appreciate it.

THANKS!
Tim

"BSCHNAUTZ" writes:

Does anybody have any info on this? and what the new EPA standards will
consist
of?

2 cycle has been illegal in California for several years due to pollution
problems.

Looks like the rest of the world is catching up.

HTH

Lew

Problem is, nobody has come up with a 4-cycle tiny dinghy engine that I am
aware of.
Most people want to be enviromental friendly, but there must be reasonable
alternatives in place. When they come up with something like my Tohatsu 3.5
which
weighs only about 30 pounds, that would be an alternative. Last time I
looked, the
4 stroke 4 h.p.'s were well over 50 pounds.

Sherwin D.

Lew Hodgett wrote:

"BSCHNAUTZ" writes:

Does anybody have any info on this? and what the new EPA standards will
consist
of?

2 cycle has been illegal in California for several years due to pollution
problems.

Looks like the rest of the world is catching up.

HTH

Lew

Well sort of, it's illegal to ship into the state NEW 2 stroke outboards.

The old ones can still be used AFAIK and used ones can be sold as well, but
no new ones.



"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
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"BSCHNAUTZ" writes:

Does anybody have any info on this? and what the new EPA standards will
consist
of?

2 cycle has been illegal in California for several years due to pollution
problems.

Looks like the rest of the world is catching up.

HTH

Lew

sherwindu wrote:
Problem is, nobody has come up with a 4-cycle tiny dinghy engine that I am
aware of.
Most people want to be enviromental friendly, but there must be reasonable
alternatives in place. When they come up with something like my Tohatsu 3.5
which
weighs only about 30 pounds, that would be an alternative. Last time I
looked, the
4 stroke 4 h.p.'s were well over 50 pounds.

Sherwin D.


We are in the process of buying a new (used) boat. It comes with a
small, 8 foot inflatable powered by a 2.5 hp, 4 cycle Honda outboard
that appears to be several years old.

Eisboch

powered by a 2.5 hp, 4 cycle Honda outboard
that appears to be several years old.

a friend has one of thos 2 hp, 4 cycle Honda he wants to get rid of but says he
won't sell it to a friend.

JAXAshby wrote:
powered by a 2.5 hp, 4 cycle Honda outboard
that appears to be several years old.


a friend has one of thos 2 hp, 4 cycle Honda he wants to get rid of but says he
won't sell it to a friend.

Don't know anything about it. Haven't run it yet.

Eisboch

2 hp Hondas are noisy, weigh 27# and use practically no fuel. They can
only be stored on one side or standing up. They have a centrifugal
clutch and start good.

Capt. Jeff

The reason I origionally posted this is because I live in southern Illinois,
and I have a chance to get a great deal on a 22ft Bayliner w/ a 235hp Evinrude,
through a bank re-po. The boat is reasonable enough, but I was wondering if in
a year or so I won't be able to run it on like, Lake Carlyle, Shelbyville,
Decatur, or any more local yet small lakes.


Well sort of, it's illegal to ship into the state NEW 2 stroke outboards.

The old ones can still be used AFAIK and used ones can be sold as well, but
no new ones.

"Matt Lang" wrote

I dont think the newer DFI 2 strokes cause more emissions than 4
strokes. the only difference is oil in the exhaust. I believe it
would be possible to build a 2 stroke with seperate oil circuit,
just
like a 4 stroke. This shouldnt add too much weight as motors like
optimax are almost there anyways.

''seperate oil circuit''?
Do you mean oil injected, like what's been available for a few
decades?
Where will the ''seperate oil circuit'' oil go after the cylinder?
Do you understand how a 2 stroke works?


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

"Scott Vernon" wrote

''seperate oil circuit''?
Do you mean oil injected, like what's been available for a few decades?
Where will the ''seperate oil circuit'' oil go after the cylinder?

Scott's right again (darn) (c:

The 750 Suzuki injected oil into the crank and recovered some, allowing it
to ue less oil than my BSA, but the rest perforce went out the exhaust.

A 2-stroke is a much better motorcycle engine but is all but gone, even from
the racing circuits. Were it possible to make one that met emission
standards the MC industry would have done so - especially Suzuki and Yamaha.
2 stroke outboards will follow.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:29 -0500, "Vito" wrote:

"Scott Vernon" wrote

''seperate oil circuit''?
Do you mean oil injected, like what's been available for a few decades?
Where will the ''seperate oil circuit'' oil go after the cylinder?

Scott's right again (darn) (c:

The 750 Suzuki injected oil into the crank and recovered some, allowing it
to ue less oil than my BSA, but the rest perforce went out the exhaust.


Severely off-topic and no doubt in breach of this NG...
I have a fair-to-good condition 1979 Suzuki GS750 for sale...anybody
interested? I live in Toronto and need money for the next Boat
Show...whew, almost missed bringing it back to boating!

R.

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:29 -0500, "Vito" wrote:

Severely off-topic and no doubt in breach of this NG...
I have a fair-to-good condition 1979 Suzuki GS750 for sale...anybody
interested? I live in Toronto and need money for the next Boat
Show...whew, almost missed bringing it back to boating!

R.

Much in the way of sailing displays at the Toronto Boat Show these days?
I've been thinking of flying up for a weekend in January to check it out.
One big draw would be the CL Sailboat Shop people who built my Sandpiper
565.

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:29:05 GMT, "Don White"
wrote:


"rhys" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:36:29 -0500, "Vito" wrote:

Severely off-topic and no doubt in breach of this NG...
I have a fair-to-good condition 1979 Suzuki GS750 for sale...anybody
interested? I live in Toronto and need money for the next Boat
Show...whew, almost missed bringing it back to boating!

I live in Kingston and could be interested if the price is right --
email me works). Mine was an '82 GS750EZ,
black, low bars, etc. and I still miss it.

Much in the way of sailing displays at the Toronto Boat Show these days?
I've been thinking of flying up for a weekend in January to check it out.
One big draw would be the CL Sailboat Shop people who built my Sandpiper
565.

Although the floor is dominated by power oriented displays, there is
plenty to keep a sailor busy for a full day, either touring through
display boats and dreaming, or scouting for all the things to upgrade
and equip your current boat. I'll definitely be there, and may stay
the night to check out a motorcycle ;-)

Ryk

"Ryk" wrote in message
...

Although the floor is dominated by power oriented displays, there is
plenty to keep a sailor busy for a full day, either touring through
display boats and dreaming, or scouting for all the things to upgrade
and equip your current boat. I'll definitely be there, and may stay
the night to check out a motorcycle ;-)

Ryk


Plan on driving it home?