I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

Best regards

Rick

http://www.yachtloan.info

You might want to check out Oyster Yachts. From memory they go from around
45' to 100' and are expensive. But real classy and comfortable cruisers.
What's your budget? That's the first question to answer. You need to know
your league: is it Hunter, Catalina, Island Packet, Swan, Oyster, or what?

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I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

Best regards

Rick

http://www.yachtloan.info

Len Krauss wrote:

You might want to check out Oyster Yachts. From memory they go from around
45' to 100' and are expensive. But real classy and comfortable cruisers.
What's your budget? That's the first question to answer. You need to know
your league: is it Hunter, Catalina, Island Packet, Swan, Oyster, or what?

Check out a Taswell 44.

Rickard wrote:
I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive.
Do you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

Do you mean to suggest that a 40 footer is, strictly speaking, directly
comparable to a 50 footer in any meaningful way? How deep are your pockets
and what do you plan to do with this boat?

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On Saturday 23 October 2004 10:13 pm in rec.boats.cruising Rickard wrote:

I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?


You need to decide if you want to cruise or race.
A good cruiser is heavy, sea kindly, has PLENTY of
stowage and, above all, has individual cabins so that
the crew can get away from eachother. The best cruisers
are generally motor sailers in the 45 foot ++ range.
Good cruisers are never going to win races, the
requirements are totally different.
Nordhavn has recently announced a nice 55 foot motor
sailer to add to their range of trawlers - not cheap
but worth consideration.

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"Rickard" wrote in message
om...
I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

Try:

http://www.oystermarine.com/intro.html
http://www.moody-yachts.com/

On 23 Oct 2004 14:13:02 -0700, (Rickard) wrote:

I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

A new well-equipped Swan 45 costs $1.25-million, is not intended
primarily to be a "cruising yacht" and, if used for its primary
purpose of most Swan 45 purchasers - competitve racing - is also
comparably expensive to maintain (e.g., just check out the prices for
high-performance racing sails needed to be competitive).

Among other "nice" less expensive than Swans but very competive racers
that might be mentioned are the Beneteau 47.7 and new-ish 44.7 models,
and an increasingly popular "nice boat" mostly for cruising is the
Beneteau 423, re. which you can get further information at:

http://www.beneteauusa.com/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Beneteau423/

However, apart from the obvious reality that there isn't any
one-size-fits-all "best" boat (there are lots and lots of "nice" boats
besides Swans and the Beneteaus), don't be surprised if this thread
very quickly degenerates into uniformatively juvenile flaming.

I looked for a 50 ft one-mast decksaloon motorsailer that was
reasonably priced. Cause that is what I look for in a cruiser.
After months of sitting behind my screen I found that the Reinke 15m
(www.reinke-yacht.de is the designer) is a ship that is very well
built (just be sure of the yard) it's roomy, it is fast enough for my
way of cruising (I put two (twin-engine) non-folding but turning
propellers on it and that plus the twin keels keep her just under 9
knots. I still call that fast enough but hey thats just me. It's no
racer but you can get one, with an alu hull, beautifully built in teak
and fully equipped (electric winches, 6 kw generator, vacuum toilets,
every nav. instrument you want etc. for 100.000 euro's.
It's just that this ship isn't dutch-built that makes it less courant
and less wanted by the very, very rich. It's robust, spatious and
therefor not as beautifully lined as the Swan, Huisman, Beeldsnijder,
Jongert or whatever. But it's around 500.000 euro's cheaper.

Good Luck,
Len
S/v Present

(Rickard) wrote:
I recently sailed a Swan 45 on a regatta. She was a true pleasure to
sail but expensive and not a very good cruising yacht. Another nice
boat is the Sweden Yacht 45 but that one is also really expensive. Do
you have any experience of other nice boats in that size?

If you want a fast cruiser that is a true blue water cruiser, and you want the
most for your money, check out the Peterson 44 cutter. It's a great looking
center cockpit, moderate displacement with the perfect cruising underbody, IMO.

Figure on putting about $130-150k into the boat, including purchase price and
repairs/upgrades.

These boats are now 20-25 years old, and typical repairs are replacing
fuel/water tanks, removal of leaky teak decks, and sails.

If you buy and upgrade wisely, you will end up with first class world cruiser.

There is plenty of info on the net, including a great owner's website.