"Brien Alkire" wrote in message ...
I experience peace when I am tuned into the rhythms of the wind, water, sun,
moon and tides. The ocean is a place where I often feel very small and
insignificant, and there is something enlightening about that experience. I
also love the adventure and romance of the sea. These are the reasons I
sail.

If I only have an afternoon then I love to sail a dinghy. It puts me in
closer contact with the wind and water than I would experience on a big
boat.

But there is a special feeling I can only get by being at sea for one or
more days, and that requires a big boat. I can't really put my finger on
it. But there's a frame of mind I get into when time is measured in watch
cycles and changes in the wind and sea rather than my work day schedule.

My questions about boat size vs amount of fun are not to be considered
rhetorical. I am actually asking for advice. After my cruise to the
Bahamas on my 28' monohull, I have been planning to build a 32'
trailerable trimaran. I will be able to sail my S2 until the tri is
finished so there is no delayed gratification. However, the fun of
sailing the MiniCups has me wondering if maybe a 32' tri is too big
and cumbersome. Would maybe a 27' trailer-tri be better and more fun?
What is the break point where hassle exceeds fun? I was formerly
considering a Kurt Hughes design but then decided that if I spend all
this time, I might as well simply buy the folding parts from Farrier
and build one of his; my reasoning being that the folding system will
make set-up and breakdown easier. Any advice on boat size vs fun for
a tri?

While reading rec.boats.cruising, I noticed
(Parallax) felt compelled to write:

My questions about boat size vs amount of fun are not to be considered
rhetorical. I am actually asking for advice. After my cruise to the
Bahamas on my 28' monohull, I have been planning to build a 32'
trailerable trimaran. I will be able to sail my S2 until the tri is
finished so there is no delayed gratification. However, the fun of
sailing the MiniCups has me wondering if maybe a 32' tri is too big
and cumbersome. Would maybe a 27' trailer-tri be better and more fun?
What is the break point where hassle exceeds fun? I was formerly
considering a Kurt Hughes design but then decided that if I spend all
this time, I might as well simply buy the folding parts from Farrier
and build one of his; my reasoning being that the folding system will
make set-up and breakdown easier. Any advice on boat size vs fun for
a tri?

The difference as far as I can tell between the F32 and 27-8 is (other
than quite a few bucks) cruising capability. The 32 is designed as an
offshore capable long distance boat, and the smaller boat is really
not designed to carry a big cruising payload or cross Oceans.

As you don't appear to be interested in offshore passagemaking, I'd
suggest the smaller boat, and maybe spending some of the money saved
on the hulls for some good 'go-faster' bits and pieces.

I've got a 33' offshore Farrier which doesn't fold, as I can hang it
off the pontoon out the back of my house. At a bit over 26' wide, it
can be an adrenaline rush all of it's own getting it up some fairly
tight seaways to get in and out from home on a busy weekend :-/

Funny, I almost replied suggesting a trailerable tri in response to
your initial post. I am sure you would be pretty satisfied with it in
regard to items 1, 4 and 5 on your original list.

Cheers,
Ian

Don't know where you'd like to trailer-to, but........have you
considered just gettin' a tractor-trailer rig that'll haul what you've
got, forgetting building anything, haul it to wherever....and resume
sailing, now.

I got one from Ebay for $5K, including trailer and hydraulic hoist.

You don't need any other credentials since it'd not be a commercial rig,
rather your personal vehicle + you can get one with a sleeper, nay, even
double; so, you could 'camp out' on the way.

If you don't like it, sell it.

Good fortune,
Courtney


Parallax wrote:

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message ...

I experience peace when I am tuned into the rhythms of the wind, water, sun,
moon and tides. The ocean is a place where I often feel very small and
insignificant, and there is something enlightening about that experience. I
also love the adventure and romance of the sea. These are the reasons I
sail.

If I only have an afternoon then I love to sail a dinghy. It puts me in
closer contact with the wind and water than I would experience on a big
boat.

But there is a special feeling I can only get by being at sea for one or
more days, and that requires a big boat. I can't really put my finger on
it. But there's a frame of mind I get into when time is measured in watch
cycles and changes in the wind and sea rather than my work day schedule.


My questions about boat size vs amount of fun are not to be considered
rhetorical. I am actually asking for advice. After my cruise to the
Bahamas on my 28' monohull, I have been planning to build a 32'
trailerable trimaran. I will be able to sail my S2 until the tri is
finished so there is no delayed gratification. However, the fun of
sailing the MiniCups has me wondering if maybe a 32' tri is too big
and cumbersome. Would maybe a 27' trailer-tri be better and more fun?
What is the break point where hassle exceeds fun? I was formerly
considering a Kurt Hughes design but then decided that if I spend all
this time, I might as well simply buy the folding parts from Farrier
and build one of his; my reasoning being that the folding system will
make set-up and breakdown easier. Any advice on boat size vs fun for
a tri?



--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

Courtney Thomas wrote in message ...
Don't know where you'd like to trailer-to, but........have you
considered just gettin' a tractor-trailer rig that'll haul what you've
got, forgetting building anything, haul it to wherever....and resume
sailing, now.

I got one from Ebay for $5K, including trailer and hydraulic hoist.

You don't need any other credentials since it'd not be a commercial rig,
rather your personal vehicle + you can get one with a sleeper, nay, even
double; so, you could 'camp out' on the way.

If you don't like it, sell it.

Good fortune,
Courtney


Parallax wrote:

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message ...

I experience peace when I am tuned into the rhythms of the wind, water, sun,
moon and tides. The ocean is a place where I often feel very small and
insignificant, and there is something enlightening about that experience. I
also love the adventure and romance of the sea. These are the reasons I
sail.

If I only have an afternoon then I love to sail a dinghy. It puts me in
closer contact with the wind and water than I would experience on a big
boat.

But there is a special feeling I can only get by being at sea for one or
more days, and that requires a big boat. I can't really put my finger on
it. But there's a frame of mind I get into when time is measured in watch
cycles and changes in the wind and sea rather than my work day schedule.


My questions about boat size vs amount of fun are not to be considered
rhetorical. I am actually asking for advice. After my cruise to the
Bahamas on my 28' monohull, I have been planning to build a 32'
trailerable trimaran. I will be able to sail my S2 until the tri is
finished so there is no delayed gratification. However, the fun of
sailing the MiniCups has me wondering if maybe a 32' tri is too big
and cumbersome. Would maybe a 27' trailer-tri be better and more fun?
What is the break point where hassle exceeds fun? I was formerly
considering a Kurt Hughes design but then decided that if I spend all
this time, I might as well simply buy the folding parts from Farrier
and build one of his; my reasoning being that the folding system will
make set-up and breakdown easier. Any advice on boat size vs fun for
a tri?



I actually have considered getting a large truck and trailering my
boat around. This really would be the cheapest solution. My fav
truck would be a 1949 International KB-5 with a flathead 6 engine.
Last ebay bid was $750 and I am sure I could get it in very good shape
(engine and brakes that is) for less than $2000. Gawd its a monster,
old red paint lots of rust, a REAL machine.
However, it would still be good for hauling the tri. After building
the MiniCups and the Two-Paw dinghy, I am addicted to baotbuilding.
Furthermore, I really like the idea of being able to pull it up to
shore or into very shallow water. The cruising speed of nearly 10 kts
of the tri beats the mono too. 5 kts for days ata time in the S2 has
driven me nuts before.

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...
Courtney Thomas wrote in message
...
Don't know where you'd like to trailer-to, but........have you
considered just gettin' a tractor-trailer rig that'll haul what
you've
got, forgetting building anything, haul it to wherever....and
resume
sailing, now.

I got one from Ebay for $5K, including trailer and hydraulic
hoist.

You don't need any other credentials since it'd not be a
commercial rig,
rather your personal vehicle + you can get one with a sleeper,
nay, even
double; so, you could 'camp out' on the way.



You'd still need a CDL, and permits for every trip if the boat's over
8'6''. Do you know what the registration costs are? Ever heard of the
''2290'' highway use tax? You'd have to stop at scales and would be
susceptible to DOT inspections. And then there's the insurance........


shore or into very shallow water. The cruising speed of nearly 10
kts
of the tri beats the mono too. 5 kts for days ata time in the S2
has
driven me nuts before.

ever considered a speed boat?



--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

'Course anyone can come up with objections to anything, but in the
interest of facts regarding a tractor-trailer for personal use in
hauling your sailboat:

No.....a Commercial Driver's License is NOT required.
Registration $100/yr for the last one I bought.
There's an online outfit to handle state permitting for those not
wanting to do it.
Ins. ~$500/yr. [for me]
All my other vehicles are also inspected, so what.....
Many scale stops don't even require stopping if you're not overloaded.
....

HTH


Scott Vernon wrote:

"Parallax" wrote in message
om...

Courtney Thomas wrote in message

...

Don't know where you'd like to trailer-to, but........have you
considered just gettin' a tractor-trailer rig that'll haul what

you've

got, forgetting building anything, haul it to wherever....and

resume

sailing, now.

I got one from Ebay for $5K, including trailer and hydraulic

hoist.

You don't need any other credentials since it'd not be a

commercial rig,

rather your personal vehicle + you can get one with a sleeper,

nay, even

double; so, you could 'camp out' on the way.




You'd still need a CDL, and permits for every trip if the boat's over
8'6''. Do you know what the registration costs are? Ever heard of the
''2290'' highway use tax? You'd have to stop at scales and would be
susceptible to DOT inspections. And then there's the insurance........



shore or into very shallow water. The cruising speed of nearly 10

kts

of the tri beats the mono too. 5 kts for days ata time in the S2

has

driven me nuts before.


ever considered a speed boat?



--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_





--
s/v Mutiny
Rhodes Bounty II
lying Oriental, NC
WDB5619

"Courtney Thomas" wrote in message
...
'Course anyone can come up with objections to anything, but in the
interest of facts regarding a tractor-trailer for personal use in
hauling your sailboat:

No.....a Commercial Driver's License is NOT required.

Do you have an antique small truck without air barakes?


Registration $100/yr for the last one I bought.

Really, cost me $1800/yr.


There's an online outfit to handle state permitting for those not
wanting to do it.

Yes, at $55 per state.


Ins. ~$500/yr. [for me]

Some states require 'special' ins. for oversized loads. Where are you?


All my other vehicles are also inspected, so what.....

Not 'on the spot' DOT inspections.


Many scale stops don't even require stopping if you're not
overloaded.

That is just plain wrong! And


--
Scott Vernon
Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_

Courtney Thomas wrote in message ...
Don't know where you'd like to trailer-to, but........have you
considered just gettin' a tractor-trailer rig that'll haul what you've
got, forgetting building anything, haul it to wherever....and resume
sailing, now.

I got one from Ebay for $5K, including trailer and hydraulic hoist.

You don't need any other credentials since it'd not be a commercial rig,
rather your personal vehicle + you can get one with a sleeper, nay, even
double; so, you could 'camp out' on the way.

If you don't like it, sell it.

Good fortune,
Courtney


Parallax wrote:

"Brien Alkire" wrote in message ...

I experience peace when I am tuned into the rhythms of the wind, water, sun,
moon and tides. The ocean is a place where I often feel very small and
insignificant, and there is something enlightening about that experience. I
also love the adventure and romance of the sea. These are the reasons I
sail.

If I only have an afternoon then I love to sail a dinghy. It puts me in
closer contact with the wind and water than I would experience on a big
boat.

But there is a special feeling I can only get by being at sea for one or
more days, and that requires a big boat. I can't really put my finger on
it. But there's a frame of mind I get into when time is measured in watch
cycles and changes in the wind and sea rather than my work day schedule.


My questions about boat size vs amount of fun are not to be considered
rhetorical. I am actually asking for advice. After my cruise to the
Bahamas on my 28' monohull, I have been planning to build a 32'
trailerable trimaran. I will be able to sail my S2 until the tri is
finished so there is no delayed gratification. However, the fun of
sailing the MiniCups has me wondering if maybe a 32' tri is too big
and cumbersome. Would maybe a 27' trailer-tri be better and more fun?
What is the break point where hassle exceeds fun? I was formerly
considering a Kurt Hughes design but then decided that if I spend all
this time, I might as well simply buy the folding parts from Farrier
and build one of his; my reasoning being that the folding system will
make set-up and breakdown easier. Any advice on boat size vs fun for
a tri?



I actually have considered getting a large truck and trailering my
boat around. This really would be the cheapest solution. My fav
truck would be a 1949 International KB-5 with a flathead 6 engine.
Last ebay bid was $750 and I am sure I could get it in very good shape
(engine and brakes that is) for less than $2000. Gawd its a monster,
old red paint lots of rust, a REAL machine.
However, it would still be good for hauling the tri. After building
the MiniCups and the Two-Paw dinghy, I am addicted to baotbuilding.
Furthermore, I really like the idea of being able to pull it up to
shore or into very shallow water. The cruising speed of nearly 10 kts
of the tri beats the mono too. 5 kts for days ata time in the S2 has
driven me nuts before.