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strange cruising thoughts
By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am
I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? |
you're crazy.
SV "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? |
Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful for the reasons you
state. It also has some very nice rewards. I found the ICW especially annoying and thereful stressful. Not all parts of it, of course, but much of it. Doug s/v Callista "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:52:37 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote: Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful for the reasons you state. But at least there's a point to the stress...a safe and successful passage. It also has some very nice rewards. I found the ICW especially annoying and thereful stressful. Not all parts of it, of course, but much of it. Unlike, say, wanting powerlessly for a bureaucrat to do his job on land, at least you have the option of going offshore G. The autonomy of sailing for me is the payoff for the stress of the responsibility. Sure, it can get very, very bad, but if your last thought is "guess I should have reefed earlier", is that not a better end than dying on a gurney in a hospital hallway, wondering "where's that nurse?" Not to be morbid, as fewer sailors drown by far than office workers die in car accidents, but the lessons of the sea are far less ambiguous than those of the shore. R. |
Do the reasons for wanting to go sailing change with time and age?
When young (less than 30?) it can be just for the fun and adventure. over 30, maybe to escape the boring job, mortgage or business woes? over 50..... well the kids are leaving home, maybe you are secure and why risk all the material assets you have accumulated by heading over the horizon into the unknown? |
Well here's the thing for me ... see something, research it, try it, it's
fun/challenging/whatever and there's a learning curve, then the curve flattens ... what's next. Just yesterday my buddy that I haven't seen in a while asked how's it going ... I said ok ... but I need a project. In the meantime, there is nothing I like better right now than heading downtown for some pool and beer, conversation and a good band. And that old beater/project boat will get even less use next season. "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? |
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message ...
Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful for the reasons you state. It also has some very nice rewards. I found the ICW especially annoying and thereful stressful. Not all parts of it, of course, but much of it. Doug s/v Callista "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? Craziness is a given, and acceptable. |
"Doug Dotson" wrote ... Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful mmm, I must be doing it wrong. -- Scott Vernon Plowville Pa _/)__/)_/)_ |
I found the ICW mostly to be two words, Bore Ing. You can't sail the damned
thing, all you can do is motor -- at about twice walking speed -- for hours on end, watching mile after mile after mile of swampland. I don't know that I have ever found sailing long distances or short distances "stressful". Lots of things in my life have been stressful, but I can't imagine sailing falling into that bucket. Keep in mind that if the goal is to GO cruising you have accomplished it the very second you push away from the dock Minute One, Hour One, Day One. Make sure you view cruising in a different light from riding a Greyhound bus ten hours a day forever. Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful for the reasons you state. It also has some very nice rewards. I found the ICW especially annoying and thereful stressful. Not all parts of it, of course, but much of it. Doug s/v Callista "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? Craziness is a given, and acceptable. |
I am over 30 and *still* enjoy the fun and adventure.
Do the reasons for wanting to go sailing change with time and age? When young (less than 30?) it can be just for the fun and adventure. over 30, maybe to escape the boring job, mortgage or business woes? over 50..... well the kids are leaving home, maybe you are secure and why risk all the material assets you have accumulated by heading over the horizon into the unknown? |
"R Whellum" wrote in message
... why risk all the material assets you have accumulated by heading over the horizon into the unknown? If you have to ask.................... |
"rhys" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:52:37 -0400, "Doug Dotson" wrote: Absolutely. Cruising can be very stressful for the reasons you state. But at least there's a point to the stress...a safe and successful passage. No argument. It also has some very nice rewards. I found the ICW especially annoying and thereful stressful. Not all parts of it, of course, but much of it. Unlike, say, wanting powerlessly for a bureaucrat to do his job on land, at least you have the option of going offshore G. You lost me on this one. The autonomy of sailing for me is the payoff for the stress of the responsibility. Sure, it can get very, very bad, but if your last thought is "guess I should have reefed earlier", is that not a better end than dying on a gurney in a hospital hallway, wondering "where's that nurse?" If you say so. Not to be morbid, as fewer sailors drown by far than office workers die in car accidents, I am pretty sure there are far fewer sailors cruising than office workers driving. but the lessons of the sea are far less ambiguous than those of the shore. I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. The lessons are different for sure. R. |
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From reading many of your previous posts, I have noticed that you are an
intelligent, thinking person. That may be your undoing right there! Boating does not make sense. We just do it because we like it. Some people like it for different reasons than other people, and none make more sense than the others. So, if you want to cruise, then cruise. If you want to work towards something, then do that. (It's a little like the old boating question: do you want to get somewhere or do you want to __go__ somewhere?) If you're not sure, you could always follow your original plan and see how your heart adapts to that. Will your cruising take you away from your daughter - pardon the decidely amateur psycho-analysis - even for short periods of time? Could that be what's really bothering you? ==== Charles T. Low www.boatdocking.com ==== "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it?... |
Get a trawler.
-- Keith __ Buckle up. It makes it harder for the aliens to snatch you from your car. "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:31:34 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote: Unlike, say, wanting powerlessly for a bureaucrat to do his job on land, at least you have the option of going offshore G. You lost me on this one. In the sense that getting on the ICW is akin to queuing up in a government office line-up to get a licence or a permit or something: you are dependent on some paper-pusher's whim. If you find the ICW stressful, however, you can sail offshore. Unlike dealing with bureaucrats, you have a choice to make a change. Not to be morbid, as fewer sailors drown by far than office workers die in car accidents, I am pretty sure there are far fewer sailors cruising than office workers driving. I mean per capita. Divide number of active cruisers by number of same drowned while cruising: I would wager it's safer to cruise than to be an urban car commuter. but the lessons of the sea are far less ambiguous than those of the shore. I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. The lessons are different for sure. Again, it comes down to you and your skills dealing with the sea. Only in the rare shi-to-ship collision, extreme gear failure or chance mishap (ramming a submerged container or whale) is the case similar to getting killed by some drunk yahoo behind the wheel while you are driving safely. The proximity of other people onshore can erase all your good intentions and safe habits. The sea is less ambiguous due to the long periods of solitude. R. |
"Scott Vernon" wrote in message ...
"R Whellum" wrote in message ... why risk all the material assets you have accumulated by heading over the horizon into the unknown? If you have to ask.................... I appreciate everybody's perspective on this and have heard some I had not really considered. One most often cited is summed up as: "Leaving the rat race". Somehow by either extreme luck or major personality defect, I have avoided conventional employment all my life so had not personally considered this one. This also explains the popularity of magazines such as Crusing World. This just goes to show that ones own experience and motivations cannot be easily generalized to others. |
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"Keith" wrote in message ... Get a trawler. -- Keith __ Buckle up. It makes it harder for the aliens to snatch you from your car. "Parallax" wrote in message om... By happy and fortuitous circumstance, I suddenly find that not only am I financially able to do the cruising I want, but my personal life has fallen into place with my 17 yr old daughter seeming to be cured of melanoma. So why am I suddenly not looking forward to it? We had a great day of sailing on Sunday. The short hops will not involve too much time away from family or work so what is it? Is it possible that the work toward achieving it is better than the actual doing it? I've done a little cruising in the past so I know the stress at night of worrying "Is my anchor dragging" whereas home in bed that never crosses your mind. I know the "God, am I bored" during loooooooooooong days of very light wind followed by the "Omigod, what am I doing here" fear at night with wind that is probably less than I imagine it to be. Is it possible that the last 9 years of starting and running a small business has stressed me so much I just want to relax? Regardless of that Christopher Cross song "Sailing", we all know sailing is NOT relaxing. People have asked me what I like about sailing and I always tell them that for me its about problem solving, not relaxing. Does anybody else have such odd thoughts before a cruise? Interesting questions I am north of 60 years. I have done some cruising - not around the world - but offshore from FL to New England multiple times, and quite a bit in NE. All sail, but I have owned a few (smaller) power boats over the years. I'm in between boats and my wife wants a trawler. I'm not quite convinced, so I have been having similar thoughts. - why do I like cruising? . I was fond of saying that boating was the one enjoyment that I have never tired of, but I don't know anymore. It is relaxing NOT having a boat. Not having to worry about it, tend to it, pay for it ... . I think with sailing it was always the adventure. For me, it is hard to see the adventure with power, although I know some will disagree with that. I could go on for a long time on this.The silliest thing is that I may , yet again, plunk down so serious money for another boat. What's the cure? Do we need something to define ourselves? Bill |
This just goes to show
that ones own experience and motivations cannot be easily generalized to others. My god - someone on usenet who actually has perspective! |
"rhys" wrote in message ... On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:31:34 -0400, "Doug Dotson" wrote: Unlike, say, wanting powerlessly for a bureaucrat to do his job on land, at least you have the option of going offshore G. You lost me on this one. In the sense that getting on the ICW is akin to queuing up in a government office line-up to get a licence or a permit or something: you are dependent on some paper-pusher's whim. If you find the ICW stressful, however, you can sail offshore. Unlike dealing with bureaucrats, you have a choice to make a change. That's a strange analogy. Not to be morbid, as fewer sailors drown by far than office workers die in car accidents, I am pretty sure there are far fewer sailors cruising than office workers driving. I mean per capita. Divide number of active cruisers by number of same drowned while cruising: I would wager it's safer to cruise than to be an urban car commuter. Another strange comparison. So cruising is safer than driving. What does that have to do with anything? Cruising is safer than alot of things. but the lessons of the sea are far less ambiguous than those of the shore. I'm not sure that is a fair comparison. The lessons are different for sure. Again, it comes down to you and your skills dealing with the sea. Only in the rare shi-to-ship collision, extreme gear failure or chance mishap (ramming a submerged container or whale) is the case similar to getting killed by some drunk yahoo behind the wheel while you are driving safely. Another strange comparison. Means nothing. This is just rationalization. I don't thing any of these comparisons are useful. Activity A is more or less safer than activity B. There is no point in even making the comparisons. The proximity of other people onshore can erase all your good intentions and safe habits. The sea is less ambiguous due to the long periods of solitude. I give up :) R. |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:28:44 -0500, "Bill"
wrote: I think with sailing it was always the adventure. For me, it is hard to see the adventure with power, although I know some will disagree with that. ====================================== If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Power is faster in almost all cases, albeit more expensive in most cases also. That means that you can cover more ground per day and/or arrive earlier. When we were cruising our Bertam 33 we'd frequently arrive as others were just pulling out, giving us a good choice of moorings or anchorages. If you like to anchor out, most power boats will require some work to make them more suitable (larger battery banks, inverters, better ground tackle, etc). When it comes to roominess, comfort and storage space, there's no comparison at all. Power wins every time. The view from a flybridge is kind of addictive also, especially for river or canal cruising where it allows you to see beyond the banks and into the surrounding country side. |
"Wayne.B" wrote
If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Wha??? |
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:48:46 -0400, "Scott Vernon"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Wha??? =============================================== I know, I know, heresy, heresy... I cruised under sail for many years and enjoyed it enormously. I raced under sail for many years, enjoyed it a lot, and had a fair amount of success at it. Been there, done that. All by way of explaining that I've been on both sides of the issue. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that there is much to enjoy about cruising under power. Try it some time, you might find you like it also. For creature comforts, protection from the weather, room for more toys, and extended range on limited time, there's nothing like it. And don't forget to enjoy the view from the flybridge. :-) All kidding aside, it's quite a different perspective, and not a bad one at that. |
now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a
powerboter. subtract 25 points from his IQ. From: Wayne.B Date: 10/21/2004 3:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:28:44 -0500, "Bill" wrote: I think with sailing it was always the adventure. For me, it is hard to see the adventure with power, although I know some will disagree with that. ====================================== If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Power is faster in almost all cases, albeit more expensive in most cases also. That means that you can cover more ground per day and/or arrive earlier. When we were cruising our Bertam 33 we'd frequently arrive as others were just pulling out, giving us a good choice of moorings or anchorages. If you like to anchor out, most power boats will require some work to make them more suitable (larger battery banks, inverters, better ground tackle, etc). When it comes to roominess, comfort and storage space, there's no comparison at all. Power wins every time. The view from a flybridge is kind of addictive also, especially for river or canal cruising where it allows you to see beyond the banks and into the surrounding country side. |
scotty, next weenyne is going to say it is more difficult to push a throttle
forward than it is to lift a mainsail. wrote If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Wha??? |
weenyne tells us he likes a teeny, tiny, titzy-bitzy apartment on the water
'cuz he keeping hoping to dem topless broads on the beach des selves thusly: From: Wayne.B Date: 10/21/2004 8:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:48:46 -0400, "Scott Vernon" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote If you like being on and around the water, and cruising to different places, there's little difference whether you do it by sail or power. Wha??? =============================================== I know, I know, heresy, heresy... I cruised under sail for many years and enjoyed it enormously. I raced under sail for many years, enjoyed it a lot, and had a fair amount of success at it. Been there, done that. All by way of explaining that I've been on both sides of the issue. I can tell you with a great deal of certainty that there is much to enjoy about cruising under power. Try it some time, you might find you like it also. For creature comforts, protection from the weather, room for more toys, and extended range on limited time, there's nothing like it. And don't forget to enjoy the view from the flybridge. :-) All kidding aside, it's quite a different perspective, and not a bad one at that. |
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hey weenyne, if it makes you feel better to think the stew ped thought, have at
it. who is anyone to tell you the truth? From: Wayne.B Date: 10/21/2004 11:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 22 Oct 2004 02:37:11 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: weenyne tells us he likes a teeny, tiny, titzy-bitzy apartment on the water 'cuz he keeping hoping to dem topless broads on the beach des selves thusly: ------------------------------------------------- My teeny apartment on the water is almost certainly bigger than your teeny apartment on land. Better furnished too, I'd guess. |
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yeah, sure. you just talk like an idgit because you cain't types so good.
From: Wayne.B Date: 10/21/2004 11:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: On 22 Oct 2004 02:33:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a powerboter. ====================== As an FYI, I've probably done more blue water sailing miles in the last 4 years than you have done in a life time or ever will. |
JAX has done alot of blue water sailing. Unfortunately his only crewmate
was the Tidybowl man and his course was in ever smaller circles! "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 22 Oct 2004 02:33:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a powerboter. ====================== As an FYI, I've probably done more blue water sailing miles in the last 4 years than you have done in a life time or ever will. |
Doug Dotson wrote:
JAX has done alot of blue water sailing. Unfortunately his only crewmate was the Tidybowl man and his course was in ever smaller circles! "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 22 Oct 2004 02:33:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a powerboter. ====================== As an FYI, I've probably done more blue water sailing miles in the last 4 years than you have done in a life time or ever will. Clockwise or counterclockwise? |
Wayne.B wrote:
On 22 Oct 2004 02:33:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a powerboter. ====================== As an FYI, I've probably done more blue water sailing miles in the last 4 years than you have done in a life time or ever will. JAx has a clapped-out old 26' sailbote best suited for nice Sunday afternoons on Long Island Sound. |
I am leaving Sunday for offshore. stories of horrendous 8 knot winds and
brutal 3 foot waves to follow. From: "Doug Dotson" AMcom Date: 10/21/2004 11:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time Message-id: JAX has done alot of blue water sailing. Unfortunately his only crewmate was the Tidybowl man and his course was in ever smaller circles! "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On 22 Oct 2004 02:33:25 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: now, I understand just why weenye makes the idgit posts he does. He is a powerboter. ====================== As an FYI, I've probably done more blue water sailing miles in the last 4 years than you have done in a life time or ever will. |
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:25:38 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote: JAx has a clapped-out old 26' sailbote best suited for nice Sunday afternoons on Long Island Sound. ================================== I think I've seen that boat. It looked like there were a couple of plastic inflatable dolls in the cockpit with a half crazed skipper. Next thing you know Jax will tell us that Long Island Sound *IS* blue water sailing. |
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