jimmy, your rantings on about "protecting" oneself is the main reason most
people believe that weapons freaks have short dicks, emotionally.

Jim Richardson
Date: 10/14/2004 2:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 14 Oct 2004 12:41:03 GMT,
JAXAshby wrote:
a hunting knife took even less training and worked at an even less
distance.

anyone trying to "protect" their boat with a crossbow from 17 year old
pirates
in loin cloths carrying rifles is taking a penknife to the fight. One wild
shot going way wide of the rifle toting boy and you bought the farm.



Not relevent to my demolishing your rediculous claims crossbows.

Would I prefer to have a decent firearm than a crossbow in most
circumstances? heck yes! But the subject began as a way around some of
the rediculous anti-gun laws in some jurisdictions.

schlackoff, weapons of war crossbows were not the kiddie toys you are
thinking of. They had draws, I believe, of 250 to 350 pounds, and two
men with a windlass drew them back into firing position. Hard to keep
up with a longbow with that.

two different weapons, with the tactical advantage going to longbows
because of their range and rate of fire.



Two different weapons alright, it sounds as if you are confusing a
crossbow ( a man portable, single person weapon) with a ballista ( a
crew served weapon)

Windlasses were common on some crossbows, particularly on the larger
ones used in sieges. But the "common" crossbow, was usually cocked with
a stirrup, or a goats foot lever. Some had a crank mechanism in the
stock, and a removeable handle like a winch (hey! back on topic! but
those were fairly uncommon, being relatively expensive to make, and the
main benefit of the crossbow was low cost, and the low training
requirements compared to other missile weapons of the pre-firearms era.




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ends only with life. -- Publilius Syrus.

IIRC, the last "world championship" (held in the usa) in archery where the yew
bow was used was in the early 1930's, the winner (World Champion) missed the
entire target something like 20 times out of 100. I am reciting that from
memory, but someone somewhere check the specifics and report back.


Jim, your example points out the differences between types of weapons.
There were many variations of bows and and many crossbows used during
the height of bows (e.g., 12th and 13th century). But, my son and I
just got back from the West Point Museum.

According to the military's researchers, long bows made of yew had a
draw pull of about 150 pounds (6 times the pull of my son's tournament
olympic style bow) and archers could get 6 arrows off per minute and
shoot about 300 - 450 feet and pierce a metal helmet with an arrow and
archers "sighted" by feel, much like the Japanese horse archers.

The cross bows they had were operated by one person, had an opening by
the front to put ones feet so both hands could be used on the crank, had
a much farther range and draw pull (I don't remember the exact amount
but I am pretty sure both were more than five times that of a long bow)
and did take 2 minutes between shots to operate. According to the Point,
the difference was that a lot more folks could operate a cross bow than
could pull a long bow.

harlan

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On 15 Oct 2004 00:30:55 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

rhys, I was taking schlackoff's stupid statement to its conclusion.

No, you were making yet another of your stupid statements.

Steve

On 15 Oct 2004 00:30:55 GMT,
JAXAshby wrote:
rhys, I was taking schlackoff's stupid statement to its conclusion.

real figures for bows as weapons of war were about one bolt even two minutes
for the crossbow, and about 6 shafts a minute for the longbow. the crossbow
had a net effective range of about 30 feet, the longbow about 100 yards.


Your range figure for crossbows is silly. Effective range of a crossbow
of medieval pattern, against armoured targets, is about 50 yards. Rate
of fire numbers are a bit bogus also, 6 shots/min for a longbow is
doable, for a very short time period. A std crossbow could do about 1
shot per min, or perhaps a bit more. Slower for some designs, faster for
others.


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"If guns cause crime, mine must be defective." -Ted Nugent

On 15 Oct 2004 00:34:43 GMT,
JAXAshby wrote:
jimmy, your rantings on about "protecting" oneself is the main reason most
people believe that weapons freaks have short dicks, emotionally.


I see, so your total inability to actually defend your position, to back
up your claims, is a result of your personal physical shortcomings?

Sorry to hear that. How about you drag your mind out of the gutter and
put your walter mitty superpowers to work actually responding to what I
actually said, rather than what you *wish* I had said?




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-Suresh Ramasubramanian

Terry Spragg wrote:

Doug Dotson wrote:
OOH! The new trebouchet rig! Could be a real hit!



I want to build a trebuchet on my old dock ruin, so I can sell rides
to tourists and finance the reconstruction of the dock.

I wonder how many riders I might get, and what I should charge. I
mean, if people go for bungy jumping, why not trebuchet rides?

IIRC, the acceleration will kill you when you are being lanched. But flying
through the air when you are experiencing your last moments in life has got
to be worth something to some people. I don't think I'd call these
travellers to the neither worlds tourists though...


The dock ruin is about 25 feet wide and 100 feet long, all torn up
by the river ice. It looks like a bunch of rocks and old tree
trunks, cribbing all scattered nearby.

Could I charge a little more because the riders would be landing in
fresh water?

Yes you could. I assume some people would be very happy to be burried in
fresh water, rather than sea or in the ground.

Terry K

--
vriendelijke groeten/kind regards,

Jelle

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schlakoff, admit you were the source of the conclusion, **IF** you are capable
of understanding the ramifications of your statement. otherwise, admit you
abject stupidity.

(Steven Shelikoff)
Date: 10/15/2004 12:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 15 Oct 2004 00:30:55 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

rhys, I was taking schlackoff's stupid statement to its conclusion.

No, you were making yet another of your stupid statements.

Steve

jim, you seem to not understand that crossbows used shorts bolts that had no
fletching. that means the bolts weren't much more than frisbees past a very
short distance. 30 feet, the museum stated. having seen a bolt, I don't doubt
that figure.

Jim Richardson
Date: 10/15/2004 3:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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On 15 Oct 2004 00:30:55 GMT,
JAXAshby wrote:
rhys, I was taking schlackoff's stupid statement to its conclusion.

real figures for bows as weapons of war were about one bolt even two
minutes
for the crossbow, and about 6 shafts a minute for the longbow. the
crossbow
had a net effective range of about 30 feet, the longbow about 100 yards.


Your range figure for crossbows is silly. Effective range of a crossbow
of medieval pattern, against armoured targets, is about 50 yards. Rate
of fire numbers are a bit bogus also, 6 shots/min for a longbow is
doable, for a very short time period. A std crossbow could do about 1
shot per min, or perhaps a bit more. Slower for some designs, faster for
others.


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Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
"If guns cause crime, mine must be defective." -Ted Nugent

"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
What are "Numb Nuts" sticks? Do you mean numchucks?

Yes - quoting the cop. He figured anybody who carried rice flails that'd
get him jail time in LA, vs a baton or gun, was a "numb nut" hence "numb
nuts' sticks".

Whatever a "rice flail" is?

"Vito" wrote in message
...
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
What are "Numb Nuts" sticks? Do you mean numchucks?

Yes - quoting the cop. He figured anybody who carried rice flails that'd
get him jail time in LA, vs a baton or gun, was a "numb nut" hence "numb
nuts' sticks".