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I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?


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"C.Lohnes" writes:
I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge

reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?


Possibly, it all depends on the alternator output curve and the voltage
regulator settings.


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"C.Lohnes" wrote in message
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I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge

reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?


Yea, 13.7 to 14.2 is normal charging voltage. Just make sure you never
switch batteries when the engine is running, the alt puts out rectified DC
and w/o a battery connected when the engine is running the rectified DC can
fry electronics.

mark


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rock_doctor wrote:

"C.Lohnes" wrote in message
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I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge


reads

+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?



Yea, 13.7 to 14.2 is normal charging voltage. Just make sure you never
switch batteries when the engine is running, the alt puts out rectified DC
and w/o a battery connected when the engine is running the rectified DC can
fry electronics.

mark


Passing through the "both" position to change batteries will not
hurt. Properly wired field control terminals present on good
quality battery switches will prevent alternator damage from turning
batteries off while running the engine, buy stopping the excitation
in the field rotor before opening the battery line. Electronic
controlled alternators should not burn out even if the battery is
disconnected while running, but don't trust this unless you know
your alternator will survive for sure. I consider this unreliable.
An alternator might survive several switch-off occurrences, but then
fail on the next one. Don't think that surviving one or two is any
reassurance, especially since damage to only one alternator diode
may go unnoticed by the uninitiated, apprentice tech, until the
battery goes tits up.

A good over voltage (15 volt) surge supressor should protect even
sensitive alternators. Surge suppressors have a habit of failing
unnanounced, going AWOL if you will, deserting their alternator
buddies to strange fates. Even a relatively small voltage spike may
damage other electronics if you turn off batteries while running the
engine, dependant on wiring.

Terry K

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w_tom
 
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Some assume that because they have switched batteries while
engine is running, then switching will never destroy
alternators. Manufacturers tend to disagree. Switching
batteries while engine is running can cause a problem known as
load dump. Load dump can damage alternator and can damage
other electronics. Get the battery change over to occur just
right and the alternator can suffer. It will not happen every
time. It is a rare event. But 10 miles out is no place to
suddenly lose both alternators. With no alternator, boat
engine will only run as long as battery charge remains. And
this assumes the boat operator knows alternators have failed.
Sometimes the failure can remain undetected by monitors.

From SGS Thompson - a manufacturer of these surge protection
devices for the load dump problem:
"The overvoltage is named the load dump and can be defined
by the following figures:
- Peak voltage 80 to 100 volts
- Duration 300 to 400 milliseconds
- Series resistance 0.2 to 1 ohms"


In 1996, SGS Thompson states the solution still leaves the
problem unsolved:

"For the first protection mode, there are several existing products
able to clamp this overvoltage at the board level, for example the
LDP24 or RBO series. The protection at the alternator level is
a quite new concept and all the technical problems do not seem
to be completely solved."




Terry Spragg wrote:
Passing through the "both" position to change batteries will not
hurt. Properly wired field control terminals present on good
quality battery switches will prevent alternator damage from turning
batteries off while running the engine, buy stopping the excitation
in the field rotor before opening the battery line. Electronic
controlled alternators should not burn out even if the battery is
disconnected while running, but don't trust this unless you know
your alternator will survive for sure. I consider this unreliable.
An alternator might survive several switch-off occurrences, but then
fail on the next one. Don't think that surviving one or two is any
reassurance, especially since damage to only one alternator diode
may go unnoticed by the uninitiated, apprentice tech, until the
battery goes tits up.

A good over voltage (15 volt) surge supressor should protect even
sensitive alternators. Surge suppressors have a habit of failing
unnanounced, going AWOL if you will, deserting their alternator
buddies to strange fates. Even a relatively small voltage spike may
damage other electronics if you turn off batteries while running the
engine, dependant on wiring.

Terry K



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But 10 miles out is no place to
suddenly lose both alternators. With no alternator, boat
engine will only run as long as battery charge remains.


Yet another reason to buy a diesel

Doug
s/v Callista


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In article ,
"Doug Dotson" wrote:

But 10 miles out is no place to
suddenly lose both alternators. With no alternator, boat
engine will only run as long as battery charge remains.


Yet another reason to buy a diesel


Thanks for anticipating my response.

But any quality switch I've dealt with (some 30 years old) was
make-before-break, a non-issue. Of course the engine loads down heavily
when tasked with charging the weaker bank, but that's self-correcting.

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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:20:19 -0400, "C.Lohnes"
wrote:

I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?


Yes

Brian W
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"C.Lohnes" wrote in message
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I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge

reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ?


Yes - Try this page for more battery charging info.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-13.htm

Mark


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Tamaroak
 
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I bought a combiner from West Marine for $70, leave the battery switch
at "House" and believe I don't have to switch the thing at all unless I
wear the house bank down too far to start the engine. And then I'm
switching when the engine is off. I turn it to 'off" when I get tied up
to the dock. I always remember to turn it back to "House" because
nothing works until I do.

Capt. Jeff



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