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I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads
+14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.730 / Virus Database: 485 - Release Date: 7/29/2004 |
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"C.Lohnes" writes: I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads +14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? Possibly, it all depends on the alternator output curve and the voltage regulator settings. -- Lew S/A: Challenge, The Bullet Proof Boat, (Under Construction in the Southland) Visit: http://home.earthlink.net/~lewhodgett for Pictures |
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"C.Lohnes" wrote in message . .. I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads +14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? Yea, 13.7 to 14.2 is normal charging voltage. Just make sure you never switch batteries when the engine is running, the alt puts out rectified DC and w/o a battery connected when the engine is running the rectified DC can fry electronics. mark |
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On Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:20:19 -0400, "C.Lohnes"
wrote: I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads +14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? Yes Brian W |
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"C.Lohnes" wrote in message . .. I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads +14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? Yes - Try this page for more battery charging info. http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-13.htm Mark |
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On 4 Aug 2004 09:42:22 -0500, Dave wrote:
If I'm not mistaken, most battery switches are of the "make before break" type, so unless the switching is being done some other way it shouldn't be a problem. ============================================= That's the theory but in actual practice "hot switching" has probably caused more alternator failures than any other reason. My recommendation is not to do it at all, and if absolutely necessary, only at idle speed. |
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rock_doctor wrote:
"C.Lohnes" wrote in message . .. I installed 2 batteries using the 1-2 all switch and now my volt gauge reads +14 when i am at high rpms ,Is this normal ? Yea, 13.7 to 14.2 is normal charging voltage. Just make sure you never switch batteries when the engine is running, the alt puts out rectified DC and w/o a battery connected when the engine is running the rectified DC can fry electronics. mark Passing through the "both" position to change batteries will not hurt. Properly wired field control terminals present on good quality battery switches will prevent alternator damage from turning batteries off while running the engine, buy stopping the excitation in the field rotor before opening the battery line. Electronic controlled alternators should not burn out even if the battery is disconnected while running, but don't trust this unless you know your alternator will survive for sure. I consider this unreliable. An alternator might survive several switch-off occurrences, but then fail on the next one. Don't think that surviving one or two is any reassurance, especially since damage to only one alternator diode may go unnoticed by the uninitiated, apprentice tech, until the battery goes tits up. A good over voltage (15 volt) surge supressor should protect even sensitive alternators. Surge suppressors have a habit of failing unnanounced, going AWOL if you will, deserting their alternator buddies to strange fates. Even a relatively small voltage spike may damage other electronics if you turn off batteries while running the engine, dependant on wiring. Terry K |
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Some assume that because they have switched batteries while
engine is running, then switching will never destroy alternators. Manufacturers tend to disagree. Switching batteries while engine is running can cause a problem known as load dump. Load dump can damage alternator and can damage other electronics. Get the battery change over to occur just right and the alternator can suffer. It will not happen every time. It is a rare event. But 10 miles out is no place to suddenly lose both alternators. With no alternator, boat engine will only run as long as battery charge remains. And this assumes the boat operator knows alternators have failed. Sometimes the failure can remain undetected by monitors. From SGS Thompson - a manufacturer of these surge protection devices for the load dump problem: "The overvoltage is named the load dump and can be defined by the following figures: - Peak voltage 80 to 100 volts - Duration 300 to 400 milliseconds - Series resistance 0.2 to 1 ohms" In 1996, SGS Thompson states the solution still leaves the problem unsolved: "For the first protection mode, there are several existing products able to clamp this overvoltage at the board level, for example the LDP24 or RBO series. The protection at the alternator level is a quite new concept and all the technical problems do not seem to be completely solved." Terry Spragg wrote: Passing through the "both" position to change batteries will not hurt. Properly wired field control terminals present on good quality battery switches will prevent alternator damage from turning batteries off while running the engine, buy stopping the excitation in the field rotor before opening the battery line. Electronic controlled alternators should not burn out even if the battery is disconnected while running, but don't trust this unless you know your alternator will survive for sure. I consider this unreliable. An alternator might survive several switch-off occurrences, but then fail on the next one. Don't think that surviving one or two is any reassurance, especially since damage to only one alternator diode may go unnoticed by the uninitiated, apprentice tech, until the battery goes tits up. A good over voltage (15 volt) surge supressor should protect even sensitive alternators. Surge suppressors have a habit of failing unnanounced, going AWOL if you will, deserting their alternator buddies to strange fates. Even a relatively small voltage spike may damage other electronics if you turn off batteries while running the engine, dependant on wiring. Terry K |
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Or spend $8 for a snubber and install it. Eliminates the potential
for frying the diode pack. Doug s/v Callista "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On 4 Aug 2004 09:42:22 -0500, Dave wrote: If I'm not mistaken, most battery switches are of the "make before break" type, so unless the switching is being done some other way it shouldn't be a problem. ============================================= That's the theory but in actual practice "hot switching" has probably caused more alternator failures than any other reason. My recommendation is not to do it at all, and if absolutely necessary, only at idle speed. |
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But 10 miles out is no place to
suddenly lose both alternators. With no alternator, boat engine will only run as long as battery charge remains. Yet another reason to buy a diesel Doug s/v Callista |
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