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Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. -- Sir Gregory |
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On 10/1/2015 1:49 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. You sure sound happy about the prospect of he and others losing all including their lives. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:18 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote:
On 10/1/2015 1:49 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote: Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. You sure sound happy about the prospect of he and others losing all including their lives. You're the second person who's made that false happiness accusation. Could it be a case of projection? -- Sir Gregory |
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"Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message
... Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. Sir Gregory I know that Neal/Greg/Wilbur won't see this because he plonks my poorly formatted newsgroup responses (no attribution marks, which pains me even more than it does him), but... Thanks, one and all, for the thoughts. My logs, as seen from the dates indicated, are way behind. As such, other than comments dropped in replies (again with the unseen bit), you'd not know that we're not in the Bahamas. At the moment, Flying Pig is on a secure mooring in Vero Beach, and I'm in Maine visiting my sibs, one of whom came up from NJ, before I go to a reunion of my freshman national champion crew (rowing) for a week starting Saturday, and thence to MI to see my daughter, before I return to the ATL area for my kids. In the meantime, Lydia has a baby shower for her second daughter's first tomorrow, and then plays around with her kids/grandkids until I get back on the 20th. When I do, I'll see my (other) kids and remaining 7 grandchildren, and, still up in the air, maybe a week helping my stepson and his wife and 1-year-old-in-4-weeks family redo their kitchen. So, aside from the unlikely prospect of a hurricane hitting the not-stripped Flying Pig on its mooring, we're all good. That doesn't mean we're not praying for those in the Bahamas... L8R Skip, wearing not only clothing but warm clothing for the first time in a while Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson |
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 15:49:13 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. === What makes you think Skip and the FP are still in the Abacos, and why are you so cheerful about it? What's your hurricane plan if one starts heading for the Keys? |
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On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:47:32 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message .. . Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. Sir Gregory I know that Neal/Greg/Wilbur won't see this because he plonks my poorly formatted newsgroup responses (no attribution marks, which pains me even more than it does him), but... Thanks, one and all, for the thoughts. My logs, as seen from the dates indicated, are way behind. As such, other than comments dropped in replies (again with the unseen bit), you'd not know that we're not in the Bahamas. At the moment, Flying Pig is on a secure mooring in Vero Beach, and I'm in Maine visiting my sibs, one of whom came up from NJ, before I go to a reunion of my freshman national champion crew (rowing) for a week starting Saturday, and thence to MI to see my daughter, before I return to the ATL area for my kids. In the meantime, Lydia has a baby shower for her second daughter's first tomorrow, and then plays around with her kids/grandkids until I get back on the 20th. When I do, I'll see my (other) kids and remaining 7 grandchildren, and, still up in the air, maybe a week helping my stepson and his wife and 1-year-old-in-4-weeks family redo their kitchen. So, aside from the unlikely prospect of a hurricane hitting the not-stripped Flying Pig on its mooring, we're all good. That doesn't mean we're not praying for those in the Bahamas... L8R Skip, wearing not only clothing but warm clothing for the first time in a while Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson I seldom pay attention to Neal/Greg says regarding technical matters, but whatever is supposed to be the matter with your posts? They look perfectly normal to me. But, of course it might be a matter that, like a little, bitty, babe, he just learned a new word and is showing off. Or perhaps it is just a matter of a "stay at home" sailor being jealous of a "cruising" sailor? -- Cheers, Bruce |
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On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 19:41:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 06:10:01 +0700, wrote: On Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:47:32 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message ... Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. Sir Gregory I know that Neal/Greg/Wilbur won't see this because he plonks my poorly formatted newsgroup responses (no attribution marks, which pains me even more than it does him), but... Thanks, one and all, for the thoughts. My logs, as seen from the dates indicated, are way behind. As such, other than comments dropped in replies (again with the unseen bit), you'd not know that we're not in the Bahamas. At the moment, Flying Pig is on a secure mooring in Vero Beach, and I'm in Maine visiting my sibs, one of whom came up from NJ, before I go to a reunion of my freshman national champion crew (rowing) for a week starting Saturday, and thence to MI to see my daughter, before I return to the ATL area for my kids. In the meantime, Lydia has a baby shower for her second daughter's first tomorrow, and then plays around with her kids/grandkids until I get back on the 20th. When I do, I'll see my (other) kids and remaining 7 grandchildren, and, still up in the air, maybe a week helping my stepson and his wife and 1-year-old-in-4-weeks family redo their kitchen. So, aside from the unlikely prospect of a hurricane hitting the not-stripped Flying Pig on its mooring, we're all good. That doesn't mean we're not praying for those in the Bahamas... L8R Skip, wearing not only clothing but warm clothing for the first time in a while Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson I seldom pay attention to Neal/Greg says regarding technical matters, but whatever is supposed to be the matter with your posts? They look perfectly normal to me. But, of course it might be a matter that, like a little, bitty, babe, he just learned a new word and is showing off. Or perhaps it is just a matter of a "stay at home" sailor being jealous of a "cruising" sailor? LOL. What a MORON you are, Bruce. Just look at the attribution from your very own post above. Notice how the is used for both my text and for Skippy's text. This is because your client, a proper one btw, added one to the existing ones. This is an example of erroneous attribution due to the fact that Windows Live Mail didn't attribute at all. So what?? Do you mean that you can't follow the conversation without sign posts? I can understand him and the several others (with the exception of one) had no problems understanding what he wrote. Strange, isn't it, that you seem to be the only one that can't understand what Skippy wrote. It rather sounds as though the shortcoming is on your side of the fence. After all five, or six, people have no problem reading his posts and one bloke does is not evidence that the six are wrong. Quite the opposite in fact. It is a result of Windows Live Mail that doesn't understand the conventions of Usenet attribution. It's a mail client - not a news client. Notice also how Skippy's Windows Live Mail failed to trim my sig like any real news client does when the proper sig delineator is used. Two dashes, a apace and a carriage return automatically deletes anything below it when replying when using a real news client which Windows Live Mail is not. So, failing to use the proper tool for the job whether aboard or on Usenet is indicative of stupidity, selfishness, rebellion, wilful disruption and downright bullheadedness. Not to mention rudeness and sloth. Given that five (six counting Skipper) had no problem and one did it is far more likely that the one simply is lacking in reading comprehension. Or perhaps has an over abundance of rudeness. -- Cheers, Bruce |
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On Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:30:29 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: What's your hurricane plan if one starts heading for the Keys? Depends upon from whence it arrives and with what strength. For Cat 4 or 5, the Little Shark River is among my favorite hurricane holes an it only takes half a day to get there. Great place, one of my favorite wilderness destinations. For those storms below cat 4, my 800-pound ring mooring suffices. What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? |
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On Friday, October 2, 2015 at 1:47:35 PM UTC+2, Flying Pig wrote:
"Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote in message ... Looks like Skippy has a Cat 3 or 4 hurricane in the offing. Seems like it's gonna track right up the Bahamas and the Abacos are gonna catch hell. I hope he found a good hurricane hole for the Flying Pig or it might REALLY end up flying. Sir Gregory I know that Neal/Greg/Wilbur won't see this because he plonks my poorly formatted newsgroup responses (no attribution marks, which pains me even more than it does him), but... Thanks, one and all, for the thoughts. My logs, as seen from the dates indicated, are way behind. As such, other than comments dropped in replies (again with the unseen bit), you'd not know that we're not in the Bahamas. At the moment, Flying Pig is on a secure mooring in Vero Beach, and I'm in Maine visiting my sibs, one of whom came up from NJ, before I go to a reunion of my freshman national champion crew (rowing) for a week starting Saturday, and thence to MI to see my daughter, before I return to the ATL area for my kids. In the meantime, Lydia has a baby shower for her second daughter's first tomorrow, and then plays around with her kids/grandkids until I get back on the 20th. When I do, I'll see my (other) kids and remaining 7 grandchildren, and, still up in the air, maybe a week helping my stepson and his wife and 1-year-old-in-4-weeks family redo their kitchen. So, aside from the unlikely prospect of a hurricane hitting the not-stripped Flying Pig on its mooring, we're all good. That doesn't mean we're not praying for those in the Bahamas... L8R Skip, wearing not only clothing but warm clothing for the first time in a while Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson Hey Skip - what do you mean the dickhead won't see your response. He LIVES for them. He can barely contain himself when presented with anything from you. I believe the current US Gang jargon is something like "you own him". He hangs on your every word. |
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On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. === Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? |
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On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. === Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. -- Sir Gregory Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor -- Cheers, Bruce |
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On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. === 1/2 inch nylon is kind of light for riding out a hurricane. How do you keep the nylon from sinking to the bottom when you go for a sail? |
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On 10/4/2015 10:46 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. I don't get it. First, two 4' diameter manhole covers. Where'd you get them? Second, how'd you move them to site? Third, .5" nylon is trivial compared to the holding power of that anchor. It's silly to use TWO manhole covers and .5" of rode when one cover would hold to the point of the nylon breaking. I'm presuming a sand bottom rather than oyster or limestone. The cover sinks over time like a mushroom. Lastly, if there no buoy, how do you recover the rode? -paul --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote:
On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. -- Sir Gregory |
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:24:11 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote:
On 10/4/2015 10:46 AM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. I don't get it. First, two 4' diameter manhole covers. Not the covers themselves but rather the cast iron rings into which the manhole covers fit. Where'd you get them? I worked for the water company and they have big concrete vaults in the ground accessed by these manholes. From time to time they abandon a pipe, valves, pressure regulators, etc. so they no longer have any use for the vault so they fill it up so it won't be a hazard to life or an attractive nuisance. They remove the top concrete part and the manhole access. They are left with heavy metal they must pay at the dump by the pound to dispose of. I offered to take a couple of the heavy rings off their hands. Second, how'd you move them to site? I used a truck with an electric lift. I backed the truck up to a boat ramp and carefully lowered them one at a time to a big Avon inflatable atop a piece of plywood. I slid them off the plywood on sight after rigging the chain. Third, .5" nylon is trivial compared to the holding power of that anchor. It's silly to use TWO manhole covers and .5" of rode when one cover would hold to the point of the nylon breaking. I'm presuming a sand bottom rather than oyster or limestone. The cover sinks over time like a mushroom. The bottom is grass and slim mud over hard old coral rock. The rings haven't sunk in more than a foot or so. I can still see the top ring. There are slight irregularities to the rock and I've had to renew the chain when I was using galvanized prior to switching to stainless steel. I can dig out the mud from around the chain and where the chain is there is a depression in the rock large enough to snake new chain through. It's about the length of my arm to pass it through the bottom. Lastly, if there no buoy, how do you recover the rode? When I go sailing, I simply tie one of those blue rubber fenders onto the nylon rodes and the fender is labeled "PRIVATE". If I'm going to be gone for more than a week, I put an old dinghy on it and have friends keep an eye out, etc. That keeps somebody from trying to claim it as their own. |
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On Mon, 5 Oct 2015 06:24:11 -0600, Paul Cassel wrote:
In cross section the manhole cover ring looks like this: _____________________ | | ----- manhole cover fits here | |_____________ |__ __ | | | | | |_____________________________| |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:15:00 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. No. My question was prompted by you saying"moorings" require a permit so you call your manhole covers "anchors" which satisfy's officials that you do not have a "mooring". Does that mean that Florida defines a "mooring" only as a driven pile or other permanent fastening to the sea floor? -- Cheers, Bruce |
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On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 07:05:08 +0700, wrote:
On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:15:00 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. No. My question was prompted by you saying"moorings" require a permit so you call your manhole covers "anchors" which satisfy's officials that you do not have a "mooring". Does that mean that Florida defines a "mooring" only as a driven pile or other permanent fastening to the sea floor? That's the opinion of the FWC aka the Marine Patrol. Actually, it would appear that Florida has not defined what constitutes a mooring in the definitions of the statutes. See for yourself: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...s/0327.02.html All the more reason to NOT call heavy anchors a mooring. Why jeopardize your own case should the Marine Patrol decide to give you a ticket? -- Sir Gregory |
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On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 20:57:37 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq."
wrote: On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 07:05:08 +0700, wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 09:15:00 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Mon, 05 Oct 2015 08:19:25 +0700, wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:46:54 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: On Sun, 04 Oct 2015 12:27:59 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 03 Oct 2015 13:29:26 -0400, "Sir Gregory Hall, Esq." wrote: What is a ring mooring, multiple anchors in a circle? If so, how many? Two 48" diameter cast iron manhole cover frames or rings, one on top of the other sunk into the bottom. Each one weighs about 400 pounds. Interesting. Do you chain them up to a mooring buoy? Nope! Can't do that lest the authorities come around and say, "Do you have a permit for that mooring?" I don't call it a mooring to those assholes. If asked, I tell them I'm using two large and heavy cast iron anchors so I won't drag. What an anchor is is not defined in the statutes. Mooring is defined in the statutes and unpermitted moorings are illegal. So, never call two large heavy metal objects a mooring because, really they are not. They are anchors. Technically, around here, at least, moorings are drilled into the cap rock. Like out on the reef for snorkelers, divers and recreational fishing. Looped around the anchors is a length of 3/8" stainless steel chain to which is attached a hefty stainless steel swivel to which is attached two 25-foot lengths of 1/2" three-strand nylon, eye spliced around two SS thimbles. Question. The majority of "moorings" I've seen have use a "mushroom" anchor. In Florida would a mushroom anchor, with a chain rode, etc., but without a buoy, be considered a mooring or an anchor IMO, a mushroom anchor is an anchor. The only difference between it and any other anchor is it's generally larger, heaver, and not regularly weighed. In Florida, especially the Keys, mushroom anchors are pretty useless as there is usually just a sprinkling of sand over hard rock (old coral) so there is mostly little or no mud for them to sink well into so as to become effective. Bottom line, as far as I can tell, it's up to the captain of the ship to decide if he's lying to a mooring or an anchor but placing one of those white balls with the blue strip around it declares it to be a mooring. Where moorings must be permitted in order to be legal, the prudent skipper will use the term *anchor or anchors* instead of mooring. However, anything actually drilled into bottom will meet the legal definition of a mooring. No. My question was prompted by you saying"moorings" require a permit so you call your manhole covers "anchors" which satisfy's officials that you do not have a "mooring". Does that mean that Florida defines a "mooring" only as a driven pile or other permanent fastening to the sea floor? That's the opinion of the FWC aka the Marine Patrol. Actually, it would appear that Florida has not defined what constitutes a mooring in the definitions of the statutes. See for yourself: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...s/0327.02.html All the more reason to NOT call heavy anchors a mooring. Why jeopardize your own case should the Marine Patrol decide to give you a ticket? That seems logical. After all it really doesn't make any difference whether you anchor or moor to a permanent holding of some sort, the question is really "do we want you to be there"? Over here many ports have specified anchorages where, depending on the type of vessel, you can park. Singapore, for example has specified areas in the harbor for yachts, tankers, general cargo boats, and so on, that is the only place you are allowed to anchor. If you anchor in any other place the marine police will be around to tell you to move and if you don't move the marine police call a tug to move you, at your cost. -- Cheers, Bruce |
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