Not one of my logs, as there haven't been any since you saw #5, but just to
say we're at least on the last lap, it appears.

The refrigeration is $olved, the diesel can be, somewhat le$$ expen$ively,
and we just had a lovely sail down to Ft. Pierce, thence upstream to Vero
Beach, from St. Augustine. You can see all that for the next few days at
tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot.

However as I was reefing the genoa, it stuck. No evidence other than a
honking wind making it difficult of why it stuck, but in the course of
winching it, when the end reached my hand, it was stripped. The shell is
stacked up for 20+ feet of it, on the bow.

Dang. I hate buying perfectly good line.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night (I'll sleep very well after
being up 36 out of the last 48 hours, along with a strenuous (labor and
movement) 24 hour cruise.

L8R, y'all

Skip

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On Wed, 25 Dec 2013 14:00:55 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Not one of my logs, as there haven't been any since you saw #5, but just to
say we're at least on the last lap, it appears.

The refrigeration is $olved, the diesel can be, somewhat le$$ expen$ively,
and we just had a lovely sail down to Ft. Pierce, thence upstream to Vero
Beach, from St. Augustine. You can see all that for the next few days at
tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot.

However as I was reefing the genoa, it stuck. No evidence other than a
honking wind making it difficult of why it stuck, but in the course of
winching it, when the end reached my hand, it was stripped. The shell is
stacked up for 20+ feet of it, on the bow.

Dang. I hate buying perfectly good line.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night (I'll sleep very well after
being up 36 out of the last 48 hours, along with a strenuous (labor and
movement) 24 hour cruise.

L8R, y'all

Skip

What's the matter with the engine?

And your jib problem, "when the end reached my hand, it was stripped."
??

--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

On 12/25/2013 12:00 PM, Flying Pig wrote:
Not one of my logs, as there haven't been any since you saw #5, but just to
say we're at least on the last lap, it appears.

The refrigeration is $olved, the diesel can be, somewhat le$$ expen$ively,
and we just had a lovely sail down to Ft. Pierce, thence upstream to Vero
Beach, from St. Augustine. You can see all that for the next few days at
tinyurl.com/flyingpigspot.

However as I was reefing the genoa, it stuck. No evidence other than a
honking wind making it difficult of why it stuck, but in the course of
winching it, when the end reached my hand, it was stripped. The shell is
stacked up for 20+ feet of it, on the bow.

Dang. I hate buying perfectly good line.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night (I'll sleep very well after
being up 36 out of the last 48 hours, along with a strenuous (labor and
movement) 24 hour cruise.


Your engine is out and you sailed onto a can in Vero? That's some smart
sailing, Skip. I'm not understanding what the deal is with your genoa,
though. Your description isn't making sense in my brains.

-paul

On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:34:37 -0700, slide wrote:

Your engine is out and you sailed onto a can in Vero? That's some smart
sailing, Skip. I'm not understanding what the deal is with your genoa,
though. Your description isn't making sense in my brains.

===

It sounds to me like the core of the reefing line stripped out of the
braided cover but I'm just guessing.

If so you might want to think about replacing it with something like
Amsteel Blue. It is amazingly tough stuff.

http://www.samsonrope.com/Pages/Prod...?ProductID=872

http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|118|2078767|2078774|2078775&id=1117343

On 2013-12-26, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 06:34:37 -0700, slide wrote:

Your engine is out and you sailed onto a can in Vero? That's some smart
sailing, Skip. I'm not understanding what the deal is with your genoa,
though. Your description isn't making sense in my brains.

===

It sounds to me like the core of the reefing line stripped out of the
braided cover but I'm just guessing.

If so you might want to think about replacing it with something like
Amsteel Blue. It is amazingly tough stuff.

It is, but for a furling line? That's seriously over-specified - and
possibly too light to handle comfortably if he got one adequate for
the job. I believe it's quite slippery too, once you've partially
furled you want that to stay locked off, you don't want it to ease
itself off the cleat, gradually unwinding more headsail.


Justin.

Hi, all,

The engine is that it needs a rebuild on the injector pump, which we've
known for some months, but weren't in the right place to get it done. So, I
confess to have motored from the fuel dock to the mooring. However, the
last several dockings have been a thing of beauty, one in difficult
conditions :{))

The furling line was, indeed, having its sheath separated and at about the
point where I had it all reefed. However, 15 or so feet away, in a
fairlead, the sheath was accordianed up to the furler. In thinking it
through, likely that happened when the sail was partly reefed, and the sail
was flailing in the varying conditions. That point got a lot of small
movement for several hours; I suspect that it failed at that point as I was
reeling it in.

Like every other issue which we've faced, it's been at the best possible
time - as we're entering or anchoring, and not until we've either resolved
it, or it didn't come up until later.

Today I made a bridle for the dinghy, to raise it aside, as the water is so
VERY fecund here.

BTW, we had a milestone in our sail. 200 miles in 20.5 hours. It was a
real boomer, and we loved it.

L8R, y'all

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On Thu, 26 Dec 2013 16:50:24 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Hi, all,

The engine is that it needs a rebuild on the injector pump, which we've
known for some months, but weren't in the right place to get it done. So, I
confess to have motored from the fuel dock to the mooring. However, the
last several dockings have been a thing of beauty, one in difficult
conditions :{))

Out of curiosity, how do you know that the injection pump needs a
rebuild?
(I'm not picking at you, just curious)

The furling line was, indeed, having its sheath separated and at about the
point where I had it all reefed. However, 15 or so feet away, in a
fairlead, the sheath was accordianed up to the furler. In thinking it
through, likely that happened when the sail was partly reefed, and the sail
was flailing in the varying conditions. That point got a lot of small
movement for several hours; I suspect that it failed at that point as I was
reeling it in.


Again out of curiosity, what size reefing line do you have installed?
From memory I used a 3/8" reefing line and it never failed in more
than ten years although I have seen others that used a steel cable for
the portion of the reefing line that wound up on the drum but I've
always thought that might be more of a space factor than a strength
factor.

And, by the way, the reefing line should run from the drum to a block
not to a fairlead as the block allows a nearly frictionless change in
direction of the line.

Like every other issue which we've faced, it's been at the best possible
time - as we're entering or anchoring, and not until we've either resolved
it, or it didn't come up until later.

Today I made a bridle for the dinghy, to raise it aside, as the water is so
VERY fecund here.

BTW, we had a milestone in our sail. 200 miles in 20.5 hours. It was a
real boomer, and we loved it.

L8R, y'all
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

Hi, Bruce, and onlookers,

Assuming everyone to have read the prior, I'll not repeat it here but answer
the couple questions raised.

The injection pump was diagnosed by a guy who rebuilds them. He called off
the PN, on his cell phone, while driving down the road during the take-down
of his daughter's wedding the prior weekend, so I have some confidence in
his analysis. It usually, he sez, is an O-ring which fails; we solved the
banjo leak with some copper washers after the Perkins part (steel) was too
hard to seat on the whatever-wasn't-smooth-enough, but the copper deformed
enough to stop THAT leak. However, the other, which he said had a paper
washer in it, could be tightened if I wanted to, but it wouldn't stop the
leak (it didn't), nor if it had, cure the underlying problem. So, it's a
clean-room sort of project, and friends of mine have done their own 4-154
rebuild, which included R&R 4 times to get it in the right position to make
the engine run. I assume I might be as successful, but that my pro might
get it done in one try after HE does the clean-room rebuild :{))

So, once we get Lydia's mother situated in senior housing, we'll go on down
to Stuart, where he is, leave the boat in his care, and go visit
grandchildren in the (yet another!) car we'll have bought before hand, it
STILL being cheaper than a rental car. However, this time, it will wind up
in the hands of the one we thought we'd give it to, to keep for us on future
visits; the circumstances are right that they are happy to have it, now,
whereas last May, when the issue arose, they'd already gotten another
vehicle to replace one which had been totalled.

As to the furler, it was, indeed, 3/8 line, run through a turning block, and
then to fairleads back to the cam-cleat cheek block below the small cleat to
which we attach it after it's cammed. It's possible that the line was
flailing enough that it rubbed on the sides of the turning block, but my
money would be on the fairlead. Either way, it was a nuisance, though
replacement isn't horribly expensive - just annoying. Indeed, I'm going
with 5/16", as my supplier didn't happen to have 3/8", and the next was
7/16", which I'm confident would not fit around my furler in the length
needed (number of turns) to roll out the sail. If that proves too small to
hand, I'll go back to (all other suppliers' much more expensive) 3/8".

And, in fact, in all the miles we've done on the boat and genoa(s, including
priors, and including during our wreck), we've also never had a line sheath,
let alone a line (this on was sheath only) fail, so this was an anomaly.

Thanks for the interest, and Happy New Year!

L8R

Skip

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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
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On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:55:18 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Hi, Bruce, and onlookers,

Assuming everyone to have read the prior, I'll not repeat it here but answer
the couple questions raised.

The injection pump was diagnosed by a guy who rebuilds them. He called off
the PN, on his cell phone, while driving down the road during the take-down
of his daughter's wedding the prior weekend, so I have some confidence in
his analysis. It usually, he sez, is an O-ring which fails; we solved the
banjo leak with some copper washers after the Perkins part (steel) was too
hard to seat on the whatever-wasn't-smooth-enough, but the copper deformed
enough to stop THAT leak. However, the other, which he said had a paper
washer in it, could be tightened if I wanted to, but it wouldn't stop the
leak (it didn't), nor if it had, cure the underlying problem. So, it's a
clean-room sort of project, and friends of mine have done their own 4-154
rebuild, which included R&R 4 times to get it in the right position to make
the engine run. I assume I might be as successful, but that my pro might
get it done in one try after HE does the clean-room rebuild :{))

I'm still confused :-) Is your problem a leak? Or the engine doesn't
run right? Or ???

The copper washers in banjo fittings was, sort of, the original seal
solution and the steel washers are a more modern solution. Older
maintenance instructions used to say to anneal the copper washers if
you rebuilt the device, which I always did (heat the copper washer red
hot and drop in a pot of water).


So, once we get Lydia's mother situated in senior housing, we'll go on down
to Stuart, where he is, leave the boat in his care, and go visit
grandchildren in the (yet another!) car we'll have bought before hand, it
STILL being cheaper than a rental car. However, this time, it will wind up
in the hands of the one we thought we'd give it to, to keep for us on future
visits; the circumstances are right that they are happy to have it, now,
whereas last May, when the issue arose, they'd already gotten another
vehicle to replace one which had been totalled.

As to the furler, it was, indeed, 3/8 line, run through a turning block, and
then to fairleads back to the cam-cleat cheek block below the small cleat to
which we attach it after it's cammed. It's possible that the line was
flailing enough that it rubbed on the sides of the turning block, but my
money would be on the fairlead. Either way, it was a nuisance, though
replacement isn't horribly expensive - just annoying. Indeed, I'm going
with 5/16", as my supplier didn't happen to have 3/8", and the next was
7/16", which I'm confident would not fit around my furler in the length
needed (number of turns) to roll out the sail. If that proves too small to
hand, I'll go back to (all other suppliers' much more expensive) 3/8".

When I built a roller furling system for the main sail I added a
"furling station" which was a SS "bracket" holding four cam cleats and
a small single speed winch which could be used on any of the various
lines. So the jib and main furling lines and the main sheet all ran to
one location with a winch so the diameter of the various lines was
immaterial as far as pulling on them went.

And, in fact, in all the miles we've done on the boat and genoa(s, including
priors, and including during our wreck), we've also never had a line sheath,
let alone a line (this on was sheath only) fail, so this was an anomaly.

Thanks for the interest, and Happy New Year!

L8R

Skip
--
Cheers,

Bruce in Bangkok

Hi, all,

I see I've not been distinct :{))

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 10:55:18 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Hi, Bruce, and onlookers,

Assuming everyone to have read the prior, I'll not repeat it here but
answer
the couple questions raised.

(clip)

I'm still confused :-) Is your problem a leak? Or the engine doesn't
run right? Or ???

The copper washers in banjo fittings was, sort of, the original seal
solution and the steel washers are a more modern solution. Older
maintenance instructions used to say to anneal the copper washers if
you rebuilt the device, which I always did (heat the copper washer red
hot and drop in a pot of water).


The engine runs great, but we still have a leak from whatever it is (not
part of the injector delivery parts). The paper washer, evidently, was just
to isolate the interior from the exterior on that joint, I think.

I don't know the innards of this pump to tell you exactly, but the analysis
of the guy is that it's got a thin O-ring which classically is the cause of
body leaks.

As to the washers, they were just a couple the guy I had come over after I
couldn't get it loose and didn't want to break anything; my steel washers
(proper part, from the same guy above), and even a banjo bolt and washers
from a 3-cylinder version of the same-part pump didn't do it - leading to
the copper. That fixed the pressurized mist, but not the drip-drip-drip
from the other.

When I built a roller furling system for the main sail I added a
"furling station" which was a SS "bracket" holding four cam cleats and
a small single speed winch which could be used on any of the various
lines. So the jib and main furling lines and the main sheet all ran to
one location with a winch so the diameter of the various lines was
immaterial as far as pulling on them went.

Sounds cool. However, everything I've read is that the general-sized genny
furlers should not be winched, or it's a sign of a problem if they do. In
fact, it wasn't until I did so (put it on a winch) that the sheath
separated. Other than extreme conditions, I hand the line in...

My boom has a single winch for the three reefing lines and the outhaul, too.
The other lines except for the mainsheet are run/led aft to two winches in
the cockpit

L8R

Skip, in rainy Vero Beach

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