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Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired, updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama & Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other occurred during the trip and not included above: For the power boat sailors he also comments: Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about 19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks, but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too hard might do better. (As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge. Thus the "well nearly" comment :-) -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On 9/15/2013 12:48 AM, Bruce in bangkok wrote:
Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Interesting stats. It appears to me that he controlled whatever expenses which are controllable well. What type of boat was he on? Singlehanding or what? -paul |
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"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
... Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired, updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama & Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other occurred during the trip and not included above: For the power boat sailors he also comments: Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about 19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks, but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too hard might do better. (As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge. Thus the "well nearly" comment :-) Pathetic account, IMO. He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This would have saved him lots of time and money and would have been a REAL circumnavigation. He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are just so clueless. -- Sir Gregory |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote: Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 === Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to 90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low (22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern Caribbean. |
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On 15/09/2013 7:08 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote:
"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message ... snipped Pathetic account, IMO. He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This would have saved him lots of time and money and would have been a REAL circumnavigation. He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are just so clueless. WHEN you do it, you can tell US who ARE doing it and HAVE done, it HOW to do it. Until then, from where you sit, it's all SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA from you. Sometimes you can be ****ing irritating. But then, I'm the one sitting in a nice little harbor on Nisyros so I have to count my good fortune. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 === Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to 90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low (22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern Caribbean. Fourteen *countries* between Florida and the Caribbean? OMG. No way! There just aren't 14 countries between here and there, dude. You have: 1) Bahamas 2) Turks and Caicos 3) Dominican Republic (Haiti doesn't count only a fool stops there) Puerto Rico doesn't count because it's America Virgin Islands don't count because they are American 4) BVI's 5) AVI's don't count as a separate country. 6) Anguilla That makes six and you're in the Eastern Caribbean. -- Sir Gregory Then you're in the Eastern Caribbean. -- Sir Gregory |
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... On 15/09/2013 7:08 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message ... snipped Pathetic account, IMO. He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This would have saved him lots of time and money and would have been a REAL circumnavigation. He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are just so clueless. WHEN you do it, you can tell US who ARE doing it and HAVE done, it HOW to do it. Until then, from where you sit, it's all SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA from you. Sometimes you can be ****ing irritating. But then, I'm the one sitting in a nice little harbor on Nisyros so I have to count my good fortune. So, I'm sitting in a nice little harbor in the Florida Keys after thousands of miles of sailing. That's not peanuts, ya know. Your assumption that one must do a thing before one can be an authority on a thing would rule out any male Obstetricians, would it not? Might you logic be a bit flawed? -- Sir Gregory |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 08:49:48 -0600, slide wrote:
On 9/15/2013 12:48 AM, Bruce in bangkok wrote: Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Interesting stats. It appears to me that he controlled whatever expenses which are controllable well. What type of boat was he on? Singlehanding or what? -paul Single handed on a 35 (or maybe 36) ft. Prout cat. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 14:16:34 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 === Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to 90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low (22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern Caribbean. When he talks about power boats he is referring to the trawler yacht type of boat. 40 - 45 ft. with a small engine. Probably 7 K cruising speed. See http://www.dieselducks.com/Seahorse%20ducks.html for an example of the type. As for countries, he has been in the oil well drilling business nearly 40 years and worked in about every country that has oil. I think (as he didn't talk about the trip before he left) that the intent was to make the trip as opposed to visiting countries. In fact he was quite disparaging about many of the countries he visited. I gather that he feat that many countries viewed visiting yachts as simply a new form of income. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 12:08:15 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message .. . Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 During the trip, I hauled out two times for anti-fouling and repaired, updated & installed various pieces of equipment whose costs are not reflected in any of the above amounts. Cruising permits for Panama & Indonesia were included with customs, immigration fees. Fuel costs were always derived from the price at the last port of call and varied a lot with Europe having very high prices. Overall average fuel price was USD $1.31 per liter. I am working on some of the expenses other occurred during the trip and not included above: For the power boat sailors he also comments: Comparing this trip to a small trawler, one would have used about 19,000 liters of fuel and spent about USD $25,000 on fuel, methinks, but a good trawler with a well designed propulsion system, with some sails to take advantage of the downwind trade winds and not pushed too hard might do better. (As Wayne mentions, he left from Langkawi, Malaysia, which is on the Malaysian - Thai border and he is now in Sebana Cove which is located on the Malaysia - Singapore border so to have sailed around the world he must sail from the southern tip of Malaysia to the northern edge. Thus the "well nearly" comment :-) Pathetic account, IMO. He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This would have saved him lots of time and money and would have been a REAL circumnavigation. He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are just so clueless. How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. And don't start the old sad song about how your voyaging is for your benefit only as when you did make your epic cruise you made it a point to describe it in loving detail right here on this site. Capt. Neil the pitiful Pseudo Sailor. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:09:32 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "injipoint" wrote in message ... On 15/09/2013 7:08 PM, Sir Gregory Hall, Esq· wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message ... snipped Pathetic account, IMO. He went around the wrong way and in the wrong hemisphere. He should have headed south from Malaysia until he picked up the prevailing westerly's and gone around the conventional way. This would have saved him lots of time and money and would have been a REAL circumnavigation. He'd have been better off spending his money on cruise ship tickets. It would have been less expensive. Some people are just so clueless. WHEN you do it, you can tell US who ARE doing it and HAVE done, it HOW to do it. Until then, from where you sit, it's all SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA from you. Sometimes you can be ****ing irritating. But then, I'm the one sitting in a nice little harbor on Nisyros so I have to count my good fortune. So, I'm sitting in a nice little harbor in the Florida Keys after thousands of miles of sailing. That's not peanuts, ya know. Thousands of miles? A thousand feet perhaps. Down the bay to anchor off the mud flat and back the next day. Remember? You reported this major cruise in loving detail. Your assumption that one must do a thing before one can be an authority on a thing would rule out any male Obstetricians, would it not? Might you logic be a bit flawed? However the male obstetrician actually knows what he is talking about... and is tested by a group of his peers to ensure that he does. He is not a pitiful neophyte who simply talks about it. The really pitiful part is that people with boats no larger then yours have made circumnavigations which rather evidences that your problem is simply a lack of intestinal fortitude. Capt. Neil, the Gutless Wonder. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:05:10 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 13:48:41 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: Wayne, a good friend, just completed (well nearly) a trip around the world. He e-mailed me some statistics which may be of interest to other cruisers: Left Langkawi, Malaysia on 17th January, 2012 Arrived Sebana Cove, Malaysia on 10th September, 2013 Traveled thru the Indian Ocean, Red Sea, Mediterranean Sea, Atlantic Ocean, Caribbean, Pacific Ocean, Coral Sea, etc. Traveled 25,313 NM from Langkawi to Sebana Cove. Visited 22 countries. (As I have made the trip from Sebana to Langkawi a few times, 470 miles could be added to the total ... later) Was in port 53% of the time and 47% at sea. Ran the engine 1,813 hours. Used 2,279 liters of diesel and paid USD $2,980 total for the fuel. Estimated travel by wind only is approximately 77% Estimated travel by engine & motor sailing 23% Customs, Immigration, port fees and agent fees were USD $2,645 Spent on marinas and moorings USD $6,153 Mediterranean 3rd party insurance was USD $335 Suez Canal crossing fees were USD $255 Panama Canal crossing fees were USD $1,744 === Interesting statistics. We would have used a lot more fuel, close to 90,000 liters, costing over $100,000 USD and with over 3,000 engine hours (each). The big issue for us is fuel range however. Our longest possible passage is about 1,000 nautical miles and that would really be a stretch. I'm surprised that his country count is that low (22). We do about 14 just going from Florida to the eastern Caribbean. Fourteen *countries* between Florida and the Caribbean? OMG. No way! There just aren't 14 countries between here and there, dude. You have: 1) Bahamas 2) Turks and Caicos 3) Dominican Republic (Haiti doesn't count only a fool stops there) Puerto Rico doesn't count because it's America Virgin Islands don't count because they are American 4) BVI's 5) AVI's don't count as a separate country. 6) Anguilla That makes six and you're in the Eastern Caribbean. -- Sir Gregory Then you're in the Eastern Caribbean. Apparently you bought a map, or did you see it onna teevee. You certainly didn't gain that information from visiting those countries. Capt. Neil, the Never Went Sailor. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 17:05:10 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: Fourteen *countries* between Florida and the Caribbean? OMG. No way! There just aren't 14 countries between here and there, dude. You have: 1) Bahamas 2) Turks and Caicos 3) Dominican Republic (Haiti doesn't count only a fool stops there) Puerto Rico doesn't count because it's America Virgin Islands don't count because they are American 4) BVI's 5) AVI's don't count as a separate country. 6) Anguilla That makes six and you're in the Eastern Caribbean. -- Sir Gregory Then you're in the Eastern Caribbean. === You're part way there. By the way you still have to clear in and out of Puerto Rico and the USVI, and they each have their own courtesy flag so they might just as well be separate countries for cruising purposes Here are the ones you're forgetting: St Martin, St Barts, Antigua, Guadaloupe, Dominica, Martinique, St Lucia, St Vincent & the Grenadines, Grenada. |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:23:09 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote: When he talks about power boats he is referring to the trawler yacht type of boat. 40 - 45 ft. with a small engine. Probably 7 K cruising speed. See http://www.dieselducks.com/Seahorse%20ducks.html for an example of the type. === Yes, we've seen a few. Nice boats for their intended purpose, a bit slow for coastal cruising however, and I really like my twin engines. I'm a big fan of redundancy in all things. |
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On Sun, 15 Sep 2013 22:16:54 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:23:09 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: When he talks about power boats he is referring to the trawler yacht type of boat. 40 - 45 ft. with a small engine. Probably 7 K cruising speed. See http://www.dieselducks.com/Seahorse%20ducks.html for an example of the type. === Yes, we've seen a few. Nice boats for their intended purpose, a bit slow for coastal cruising however, and I really like my twin engines. I'm a big fan of redundancy in all things. Some trawler yachts have sails also :-) -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok
wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be interesting. But I'm not holding my breath. |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:47:27 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be interesting. But I'm not holding my breath. === Welcome back Vic. How and where have you been? |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:30:56 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:47:27 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be interesting. But I'm not holding my breath. === Welcome back Vic. How and where have you been? Hey, Wayne. Been lurking around, but not much to say. No boat! Ready for another Captain Tony party boat trip? I'll be down there mid-October. If the weather's right on the 20th, I'll probably go for it. |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:47:27 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be interesting. But I'm not holding my breath. I should hope you're not :-) -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 19:04:39 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: Ready for another Captain Tony party boat trip? I'll be down there mid-October. If the weather's right on the 20th, I'll probably go for it. === Sure, let me know. |
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"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in
message ... On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:47:27 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be i nteresting. But I'm not holding my breath. I should hope you're not :-) Vic posted that he doesn't even have a boat. So, one wonders what makes Vic think he's qualified to impugn my character and credentials? Why, at least you own a sailboat, even though all it does is act as a place keeper at some decrepit dock in a third-world backwater where you ended up after having failed at your circumnavigation attempt. Neither of you have the standing to criticize the merits of one who lives aboard and has lived aboard for nigh on 27 years now and who continues to cruise from time to time? -- Sir Gregory |
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message ... ... I'm a big fan of redundancy in all things. Indeed! That's probably the reason you have two boats that never go anywhere? You are a fan of taking up two slips with unused toys? -- Sir Gregory |
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:20:24 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 17:47:27 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:31:28 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: How would you know? Someone told you, or you read it in a book? You certainly aren't speaking from experience as the longest voyage you have made was your celebrated cruise down the bay to anchor off a mud flat to avoid the sounds of a band playing. Good one there, Bruce. I really wish Neal would post a cruising log, as I'm sure it would be i nteresting. But I'm not holding my breath. I should hope you're not :-) Vic posted that he doesn't even have a boat. So, one wonders what makes Vic think he's qualified to impugn my character and credentials? Why, at least you own a sailboat, even though all it does is act as a place keeper at some decrepit dock in a third-world backwater where you ended up after having failed at your circumnavigation attempt. Neither of you have the standing to criticize the merits of one who lives aboard and has lived aboard for nigh on 27 years now and who continues to cruise from time to time? I assume that you firmly believe that someone who lives in a house trailer is an expert on road building and highways, or even more unlikely, that someone who lives in a house built on the earth becomes, by osmoses a qualified earth scientist. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 12:26:17 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message ... ... I'm a big fan of redundancy in all things. Indeed! That's probably the reason you have two boats that never go anywhere? You are a fan of taking up two slips with unused toys? Along with your misconception that living in a boat makes one a qualified cruising sailor you have a difficulty in understanding what you read. I didn't write "I'm a big fan of redundancy in all things". I believe that was a guy out cruising around the Caribbean on a power boat with two engines. I am assuming that you do know what the "Caribbean" is, but to avoid any more of your misconceptions here is the definition I found in a book: "an arm of the Atlantic Ocean between North and South America; the origin of the Gulf stream; region including the Caribbean Islands" -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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Hi Bruce,
I have just come back to this group. Nice to see that you are still around. I've been refurbishing my now 20 year old boat here in Sydney following my curcumnavigation and am about to leave again heaing back to Malaysia via the Philippines this time. Ciao, Peter Hendra N.Z. Yacht Herodotus |
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No Bruce, from New Zealand, through South East Asia, the Red Sea, Med, Caribbean and Pacific.
I am now heading back home to Malaysia and then hopefully up to Japan to meet up there with another solo sailor friend (Jack Curley on Kulkuri) who is in the San Bas Islands of Panama at the moment. I'm looking forward to not having to do the, every few weeks, 8 - 9 hour flight from Sydney to Kuala Lumpur any more. I have been been working for a couple of years, getting my son into university, getting a divorce (wonderful institution sometimes though painful) and in refurbishing this boat and its gear. All provisions are aboard with cans labelled and vanished etc. I am now almost ready to depart again. Just need to complete a few finishing details and gather the courage to head back out into the open sea. It's always a bit scarey and daunting if you've been at anchor for a while. It would be nicer with a compatible friend but unfortunately all friends have jobs or commitments and my Malaysian friends' kids and nephews, who've spent their school holidays with me on the boat in Sydney and who would love to sail with me, have school. Perhaps when I get to Manila, Palawan or Sabah, I can have the kids for the school holidays. It would be nice to sleep for more than 20 minutes at a time and having great company will be a big plus. Did you sell the yacht you were working on ( in Phuket if I remember correctly)? Ciao Peter N.Z. Yacht Herodotus |
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"Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message
... Yup. I finally faced the reality that I wasn't going to make any more long cruises and sold the sailboat. Interestingly, I got about the same number of US dollars as I had paid Singapore dollars for the boat 12 years before. So Bruce finally admits he's a has-been wannabe. ROFLOL! -- Sir Gregory |
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On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:44:59 -0400, " Sir Gregory Hall, Esq·"
åke wrote: "Bruce in bangkok" wrote in message .. . Yup. I finally faced the reality that I wasn't going to make any more long cruises and sold the sailboat. Interestingly, I got about the same number of US dollars as I had paid Singapore dollars for the boat 12 years before. So Bruce finally admits he's a has-been wannabe. ROFLOL! No Capt.Neil, as I once told you; "I'm here and you are there", so who is the wannabe? The bloke who went or the bloke that sat at home reading about it? Face reality. You know that you don't sail. We know that you don't sail. Why do you continue to attempt the facade of being a sailor? The alternate, by the way, is quite simple. Just haul up the anchor and go. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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Good grief!
I note wth amazement that ridiculous, pathetic, horrible little excuse of a human being is still very active in this newsgroup!! Not only is he seemingly more active, but he has spawned, during my absence, more of the multiple personalities he had previously. I have met many people in this world but I doubt that I have come across another person more desperate for attention and recognition than Warren. A normal person who disagreed as much and as often would simply quit the newsgroup because he has, to my memory, neither posted any helpful advice to questions nor sougth any advise. Only in America could you put man on the moon yet spend insufficent money to sufficiently take care of the cronic mentally ill. And Bruce - "When an ass brays, one is not compelled to bray back". Ciao Peter Herodotus |
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 15:49:15 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 18:19:12 +0700, Bruce in bangkok wrote: On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 04:01:34 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Good grief! I note wth amazement that ridiculous, pathetic, horrible little excuse of a human being is still very active in this newsgroup!! Not only is he seemingly more active, but he has spawned, during my absence, more of the multiple personalities he had previously. I have met many people in this world but I doubt that I have come across another person more desperate for attention and recognition than Warren. A normal person who disagreed as much and as often would simply quit the newsgroup because he has, to my memory, neither posted any helpful advice to questions nor sougth any advise. Only in America could you put man on the moon yet spend insufficent money to sufficiently take care of the cronic mentally ill. And Bruce - "When an ass brays, one is not compelled to bray back". Ciao Peter Herodotus And of course you are correct. But is sort of fun, in a morbid sort of way, to tweak his nose :-) Besides that, except for a few posters here who actually cruise, or have cruised, nobody else provides much "education and entertainment." So you are doing your part, Bruce. Hello, Peter. Run across any "exotic" coffee stories in your latest travels? Or close calls with typhoons, tsunamis? Sorry I have no boating stories to relate. I can say that some severe weather has foundered my house twice since we last spoke here. A full foot of water in the basement. And I can tell you that I have given up weak coffee brews, and gone to less daily coffee but stronger brews. Basic Starbucks quality beans, occasional Sumatran, etc. Not too similar to what you drink, I suspect, except for the important part. Coffee! I'm not sure about Peter but I've been drinking a some sort of "instant coffee". Actually it is powdered coffee which is packaged in "coffee bags". You pop one in a cup of very hot water, let it soak a bit and drink. It appears to be a streamlined variation of the old "Chinese coffee" made with a "sock". Peter may well know it as it is called "Kopi-O" and is made in Butterworth, Malaysia. -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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Hi Vic and Bruce,
Just having difficulty at present in figuring out how to post and reply in this Google newsgroups system. I was reasonbly adept wth Free Agent as a newsreader but I guess that it will just require a little time. Yes Vic, good coffee is still my drug of choice but until recently things have been usually too hectic to take the time to be an afficcianado (sp?). And yes Bruce, I too delight in the sachets of "Kopi-O". When I fly back to Sydney after my visits to Malaysia, my bags have several large packets of these sachets. Whilst going through the tediously lengthy divorce, getting my son back on track into university and refurbushing ths boat of mine, I took a contract project managing a new project with Optus, a major telco here. Apart from having a great project - brand new technology to implement and figure out, it was a great place to work. Most of the people, several of whom I had worked with before in the industry, were really pleasureable to work with; the technology was fascinating and the problems that arose were extremely challenging to say the least. I've performed many roles in IT over the years but Project Management, especally in difficult and technically challenging projects is my favourite (please note the correct, non-American spelling of 'favourite'). Apart from that, the work site consisted of 5 three and four storey office buildings surrounding a large 4 acre odd park-like campus with a long pond and trees in the centre. The 8,000 employees on site had no need to go off-site during the day as there were six lunch shops, a sit down restaurant cum bar and 4 coffee shops with several seating areas with sun umbrellas. There were even special buses chartered to drive there the 20 minutes or so from the centre of Sydney. Our group had BBQ breakfasts cooked according to a roster system each Friday morning. One of the proprietors of a coffee and lunch bar was Greek and would often brew up Turksh coffee traditionally in the afternoons for he and I. You know the type Vic; a heaped teaspoon of finely ground coffee for each person with cold water added. Then heated up slowly until it almost reached the boil and was about to overflow the small copper pot with a long handle and a top narrower than the heavy base. Taken off the heat until it subsided, then back on the heat again - repeated three times, taken off the heat and given time for the grounds to settle to the bottom then poured into the small cups. Certainly opened your eyes. However back upstairs at my desk, coffee time was usually a rushed Nescafe type grabbed before a meeting. Of course back home in Malaysia, it was down to the kampong coffee place on the motorbike for the fantastic but not at all healthy kopi panas - kau (coffee hot - strong) with its' inch of condensed milk sweetener in the bottom to be stirred. The bloody stuff is addictive and bad for the teeth and the waist-line. It's also great on a hot day with ice, sucked up through a straw. It has been one of my long standing simple pleasures. Anyway, I think I got carried away and off track here. It's so very nice to come back again after a lengthy absence and meet with you both again. I have derived a great deal of value and information from this group over the years. For this I am grateful. Just gave to figure out how to use it. Ciao Peter. |
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