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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:36:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
"Bruce" wrote
To get from Langkawi to where I am now, I have used 1385 liters of
diesel and I've traveled 8735 nautical miles. A small economical
trawler may have used 6550 liters. trim to end

Good grief! More proof of which I speak. The VERY FIRST THING the Rube
mentions is how much diesel fuel he's burned. As if that's something to be
proud of. Like I have always maintained, there is something about diesel
fumes that is addictive and/or corrodes the brain to the point where people
actually BRAG about how much air pollution they produce during their
selfish endeavors.

I think he's bragging about how little he used. And unless you plan to
paddle your boat(s) around, you have to burn some fuel.

363 gallons is hardly "little" for a trip of probably 800 miles.

A well-found sailboat that is not encumbered with a heavy diesel
is capable of sailing 800 miles or around the world for that matter
while burning no diesel at all.

Get a clue. (Sheesh - another motor head!)

Wilbur Hubbard

How in the world would you know? Willie-boy the armchair sailor. Yes,
yes, I know, you read it inna magazine.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:40:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"injipoint" wrote in message
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trim

That cost of diesel is really ****ing me off too but there are days here in
the Med where there is no wind period. Full stop. Even with my new u-beaut
take-off-in-under-ten-knots sails we can't move. I've got too much to see
before I die to let time slip by.

Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the air and oceans of
the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes, and diesel noise. Enjoy the down
time. Real sailors aren't in a hurry. That's motorhead mentality.

Wilbur Hubbard

Ah yes, the armchair sailor KNOWS! (of course you do, you read it in a
magazine)

--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:56:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Try a tour bus while becalmed in port. Stop polluting the
air and oceans of the world with diesel oil, diesel fumes,
and diesel noise.

By riding in a diesel powered bus? WTF is that proving?

Dozens or more ride a bus while one or two burn about the same amount of
diesel aboard a yacht. And, some busses these days are using propane which is
much cleaner than diesel which is a primitive engine and a dirty fuel.

The pollution level per capita is much much less for a tour bus than for a
private yacht.

Wilbur Hubbard

What utter Bull ****. A 500 HP bus compared with a 50 HP auxiliary
motor.

But more to the point.... How would an arm-chair sailor know all this
technical information? Read it in a magazine, or course.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 06:49:36 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

You missed the part about floating around waiting for the tide to move
you, going up the Red Sea against a 20 - 25K head wind and all the
other reasons a fella might want/need to motor.

snip

Willie-boy the armchair sailor.

A "sailor" and a "cruiser" are different animals.
I have I friend sailor who hates to motor.
Even when he "cruises." He'll find an anchorage he likes, drop the
hook, and stay awhile. In and out under sail.
I crewed on his 40' something-or-other bringing it from Michigan to
Monroe harbor in Chicago one cold Memorial Day weekend.
Miserable 2 days with the wind dead against us. He didn't seem to
mind it. Wouldn't even turn on nav lights because he didn't like
using the battery.
Only motored pulling into a dock in Waukegan because everybody was
exhausted. I left and took the train home. Trip was taking too long
and I felt bad about not being with my wife and kids on the holiday.
They made it to Monroe harbor the next day in record time because the
wind swung strong to northerly. Ripped his spinaker.
If I was a fortune teller I would have boarded in Waukegan.

On 10/11/2012 5:12 AM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Slocum had an engine in Spray? What sort? Seems odd to me.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:31:40 -0600, slide
wrote:

On 10/11/2012 5:12 AM, Bruce wrote:

Another e-mail from a mate who is "part way 'round" regarding engine
use. He gets a little heretical at the end but he is a bit outspoken
:-)

Slocum had an engine in Spray? What sort? Seems odd to me.

I believe that you miss-read. He was talking about the veracity of
sailing writers as they were essentially writing a story in order to
sell it.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

Read up on his round the world voyage. He contacted newspapers in
every port he entered to publish a notice that Capt. Slocum and the
Spray were in port on a single handed round the world voyage and you
could actually go aboard the Spray upon payment of money. He had
contacted a publisher and made a deal to write a book before he sailed
and the book was an international best seller.

He apparently died on a voyage to the West Indies in 1909 although no
wreckage or other evidence was ever found. He was declared dead in
1924.

The fact that the Spray did not have an engine was hardly an unusual
situation in 1895.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

"Bruce" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

Read up on his round the world voyage. He contacted newspapers in
every port he entered to publish a notice that Capt. Slocum and the
Spray were in port on a single handed round the world voyage and you
could actually go aboard the Spray upon payment of money. He had
contacted a publisher and made a deal to write a book before he sailed
and the book was an international best seller.

He apparently died on a voyage to the West Indies in 1909 although no
wreckage or other evidence was ever found. He was declared dead in
1924.

The fact that the Spray did not have an engine was hardly an unusual
situation in 1895.

True! Those were the REAL sailors and those where honest times. Too bad the
passage of a century and some odd years has turned all too many sailors into
engine-addicted non-sailors who write to their pals about a short leg of a
voyage and the FIRST thing they proudly proclaim as an accomplishment is how
much diesel fuel they've burned in their stink pot engines.

Slocum's book about his voyage alone around the world was/is a best-seller
because it's interesting. It's all about sailing and the sailing life. All
about harnessing the winds and currents and making ones way without fuss
around the world.

Do you think he could have sold as many books writing a book about his
auxiliary sailboat in which the first thing he talked about was how he burned
363 gallons in what amounts to a short hop from port to port? No harnessing
the elements and living in harmony with the sea but plenty of bull headed
burning of fuel and polluting the air and water? Most certainly not! People
would be bored halfway to death as there is nothing interesting about putting
an engine in gear, turning on the autopilot and going below to scratch one's
ass for days at a time. This is the life of motor heads. Drab, boring, stupid,
useless and wasteful. And, BTW, motor-sailers as a class of vessels are little
more than sail-assisted motor boats. Might as well get a trawler with a riding
sail and at least be honest about it.

Wilbur Hubbard

rOn Sun, 14 Oct 2012 12:34:09 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:07:13 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 18:12:20 +0700, Bruce
wrote:

the famous guys like Joshua Slocam, Bernard Mansurie, Bruce Roberts,
George Beuller made/make their money from book sales so they have had
to stretch & modify the truth. :-)

Slocum had no engine. He ended up being lost at sea, not on the beach
drinking royalties.

Casady

Read up on his round the world voyage. He contacted newspapers in
every port he entered to publish a notice that Capt. Slocum and the
Spray were in port on a single handed round the world voyage and you
could actually go aboard the Spray upon payment of money. He had
contacted a publisher and made a deal to write a book before he sailed
and the book was an international best seller.

He apparently died on a voyage to the West Indies in 1909 although no
wreckage or other evidence was ever found. He was declared dead in
1924.

The fact that the Spray did not have an engine was hardly an unusual
situation in 1895.

True! Those were the REAL sailors and those where honest times. Too bad the
passage of a century and some odd years has turned all too many sailors into
engine-addicted non-sailors who write to their pals about a short leg of a
voyage and the FIRST thing they proudly proclaim as an accomplishment is how
much diesel fuel they've burned in their stink pot engines.

Slocum's book about his voyage alone around the world was/is a best-seller
because it's interesting. It's all about sailing and the sailing life. All
about harnessing the winds and currents and making ones way without fuss
around the world.

Do you think he could have sold as many books writing a book about his
auxiliary sailboat in which the first thing he talked about was how he burned
363 gallons in what amounts to a short hop from port to port? No harnessing
the elements and living in harmony with the sea but plenty of bull headed
burning of fuel and polluting the air and water? Most certainly not! People
would be bored halfway to death as there is nothing interesting about putting
an engine in gear, turning on the autopilot and going below to scratch one's
ass for days at a time. This is the life of motor heads. Drab, boring, stupid,
useless and wasteful. And, BTW, motor-sailers as a class of vessels are little
more than sail-assisted motor boats. Might as well get a trawler with a riding
sail and at least be honest about it.

Wilbur Hubbard

Ah yes. Another report from the Arm-Chair Sailor.

So tell us, Oh Great Arm-Chair, about the time you were sailing up the
Malacca Straits without an engine and with no wind and had to drift
with the tide and anchor every time the tide changed? Or about the
time you were becalmed in the middle of the Atlantic, running low on
water,or about sailing up the Red Sea and having to sail 100 miles
across and then 100 miles back to make 50 miles northing, or about the
time you were embayed and couldn't get out for a week.

I hate to disillusion you but sitting at anchor hardly qualifies you
as a sailor, nor does reading sailing magazines.
--
Cheers,
Bruce