Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

Well we've had a great week (or best part of) here in Gibraltar.
Wonderful to visit but it sure is pricey when you've become used to
Spanish and Moroccan prices.

We had a week in Spanish Ceuta before this and were very surprised at
the discovery. It is a wonderful place to visit.

Morocco (Smir, M'Diq, Chefchouen, Oued Lau and Tetuan) were all
excellent but Tangier harbor was a major disappointment. Not user
friendly for cruisers, that's for sure.

We think we'll cruise up the Spanish coastline, stopping in Malaga and
Cartahena etc but if the weather's good and the sailing's fine, we'll
probably just keep on going. Maybe Ibiza or even Sardinia before
turning south for Monastir in Tunisia for the winter.

We'll see. No internet for a while.

Hoges

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On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:11:03 +0200, injipoint
wrote:

Well we've had a great week (or best part of) here in Gibraltar.
Wonderful to visit but it sure is pricey when you've become used to
Spanish and Moroccan prices.

We had a week in Spanish Ceuta before this and were very surprised at
the discovery. It is a wonderful place to visit.

Morocco (Smir, M'Diq, Chefchouen, Oued Lau and Tetuan) were all
excellent but Tangier harbor was a major disappointment. Not user
friendly for cruisers, that's for sure.

We think we'll cruise up the Spanish coastline, stopping in Malaga and
Cartahena etc but if the weather's good and the sailing's fine, we'll
probably just keep on going. Maybe Ibiza or even Sardinia before
turning south for Monastir in Tunisia for the winter.

We'll see. No internet for a while.

=========

Don't miss the French and Italian Riviera - not exactly inexpensive
but the scenery (of many different kinds) is to die for. I would go
back to Cannes, Cap Ferrat or Portofino in a heartbeat.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=por tofino+images+italy&oq=portofino+images&gs_l=img.1 .1.0l2.18471.18756.2.23608.2.2.0.0.0.0.171.248.1j1 .2.0...0.0...1c.1.PlYqKCKzocw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_ gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c18433c2a992751e&biw=1024&bih=605

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"Wayne B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:11:03 +0200, injipoint
wrote:

Well we've had a great week (or best part of) here in Gibraltar.
Wonderful to visit but it sure is pricey when you've become used to
Spanish and Moroccan prices.

We had a week in Spanish Ceuta before this and were very surprised at
the discovery. It is a wonderful place to visit.

Morocco (Smir, M'Diq, Chefchouen, Oued Lau and Tetuan) were all
excellent but Tangier harbor was a major disappointment. Not user
friendly for cruisers, that's for sure.

We think we'll cruise up the Spanish coastline, stopping in Malaga and
Cartahena etc but if the weather's good and the sailing's fine, we'll
probably just keep on going. Maybe Ibiza or even Sardinia before
turning south for Monastir in Tunisia for the winter.

We'll see. No internet for a while.

=========

Don't miss the French and Italian Riviera - not exactly inexpensive
but the scenery (of many different kinds) is to die for. I would go
back to Cannes, Cap Ferrat or Portofino in a heartbeat.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=por tofino+images+italy&oq=portofino+images&gs_l=img.1 .1.0l2.18471.18756.2.23608.2.2.0.0.0.0.171.248.1j1 .2.0...0.0...1c.1.PlYqKCKzocw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_ gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c18433c2a992751e&biw=1024&bih=605




Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and drunk
people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake rolling the boat.
OMG to throw away money and time doing something that would be much easier
done via caravan????

Makes absolutely no sense to this sailor. Maddening crowds are NOT where's
it's at.


Wilbur Hubbard

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:26:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne B" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:11:03 +0200, injipoint
wrote:

Well we've had a great week (or best part of) here in Gibraltar.
Wonderful to visit but it sure is pricey when you've become used to
Spanish and Moroccan prices.

We had a week in Spanish Ceuta before this and were very surprised at
the discovery. It is a wonderful place to visit.

Morocco (Smir, M'Diq, Chefchouen, Oued Lau and Tetuan) were all
excellent but Tangier harbor was a major disappointment. Not user
friendly for cruisers, that's for sure.

We think we'll cruise up the Spanish coastline, stopping in Malaga and
Cartahena etc but if the weather's good and the sailing's fine, we'll
probably just keep on going. Maybe Ibiza or even Sardinia before
turning south for Monastir in Tunisia for the winter.

We'll see. No internet for a while.

=========

Don't miss the French and Italian Riviera - not exactly inexpensive
but the scenery (of many different kinds) is to die for. I would go
back to Cannes, Cap Ferrat or Portofino in a heartbeat.

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605

http://www.google.com/search?q=cap+ferrat&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo= u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=80JvUIr_G4ue8gSVt4GYBw&ved=0 CD4QsAQ&biw=1024&bih=605#hl=en&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=por tofino+images+italy&oq=portofino+images&gs_l=img.1 .1.0l2.18471.18756.2.23608.2.2.0.0.0.0.171.248.1j1 .2.0...0.0...1c.1.PlYqKCKzocw&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_ gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=c18433c2a992751e&biw=1024&bih=605




Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and drunk
people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake rolling the boat.
OMG to throw away money and time doing something that would be much easier
done via caravan????

Makes absolutely no sense to this sailor. Maddening crowds are NOT where's
it's at.

Lucky in a way, as you will never do it. Anchored in Florida, sitting
there slapping mosquitoes is the most exciting voyage you will ever
know.


Wilbur Hubbard


--
Cheers,
Bruce

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 17:26:06 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd

===

But did you enjoy the pictures?

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and
drunk people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake rolling
the boat.



If I were to do a world cruise, it'd for sure include the major ports of
call. It'd also include lots and lots of the smaller ports, bays, harbors,
fjords, rivers, and such. But it'd include the major ports because you have
to go to those too.

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"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and
drunk people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake rolling
the boat.

If I were to do a world cruise, it'd for sure include the major ports of
call. It'd also include lots and lots of the smaller ports, bays, harbors,
fjords, rivers, and such. But it'd include the major ports because you have
to go to those too.


Aboard a cruise ship, yes, provided one craves crowds, noise, pollution and
crime. But, to subject one's self to all that while cruising in your own
private yacht smacks of masochism. . . It seems like too many people these
days don't really want to do what a small private yacht does best get away
from it all, instead they want to sight see. Take a freaking airplane.

For me (and other real sailors) the journey is the primary reason to sail, not
the destination. Any destination that is at odds with the solitude and
individualism of the journey definitely detracts from the journey. Major ports
are for those who can't really enjoy the journey for its own sake. Those who
seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet, off the beaten path destinations
haven't a clue about getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.


Wilbur Hubbard

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Those who
seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet, off the beaten path destinations
haven't a clue about getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.

===

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and
drunk people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake rolling
the boat.

If I were to do a world cruise, it'd for sure include the major ports of
call. It'd also include lots and lots of the smaller ports, bays, harbors,
fjords, rivers, and such. But it'd include the major ports because you have
to go to those too.


Aboard a cruise ship, yes, provided one craves crowds, noise, pollution and
crime. But, to subject one's self to all that while cruising in your own
private yacht smacks of masochism. . . It seems like too many people these
days don't really want to do what a small private yacht does best get away
from it all, instead they want to sight see. Take a freaking airplane.

For me (and other real sailors) the journey is the primary reason to sail, not
the destination. Any destination that is at odds with the solitude and
individualism of the journey definitely detracts from the journey. Major ports
are for those who can't really enjoy the journey for its own sake. Those who
seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet, off the beaten path destinations
haven't a clue about getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.


Wilbur Hubbard

In Julius Caesar's writing we find an apt description: "He is the
worst kind of a fool; He doesn't understand that he is a fool."

You will find, if you ever do undertake a world cruise, that prices
are much higher in these cute little out of the way places then in the
major ports and contrary to what you may think you are going to need
supplies.
--
Cheers,
Bruce

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On 5/10/2012 10:31 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:11:03 +0200, injipoint
wrote:



Don't miss the French and Italian Riviera - not exactly inexpensive
but the scenery (of many different kinds) is to die for. I would go
back to Cannes, Cap Ferrat or Portofino in a heartbeat.

We pulled into Almerimar to get the Honda fixed (??? shuddered to a halt
off Adra) and as small worlds would have it we are alongside some
Australians from Adelaide who are in their 12th year here in the Med.
They went to Portofino by bus from an anchorage about 5 miles away.
Their "slip" on the anchor was free, the ones in Portofino would send
most of us broke quickly!

Thanks for the tour.

Hoges

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Those who seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet,
off the beaten path destinations haven't a clue about
getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?



Your statement is yet further proof of which I so wisely speak.

People who "tally" their cruises and who spend as much time
documenting their lame exploits by taking photos and creating
web pages and photo albums and uploading it all to make the
whole world aware of their greatness are living proof that it's
not the journey but the brag that counts the most to them.

"HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEEEEE!""

Um, grow up, children!


Wilbur Hubbard

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and
drunk people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake
rolling
the boat.

If I were to do a world cruise, it'd for sure include the major ports of
call. It'd also include lots and lots of the smaller ports, bays,
harbors,
fjords, rivers, and such. But it'd include the major ports because you
have
to go to those too.


Aboard a cruise ship, yes, provided one craves crowds, noise, pollution and
crime. But, to subject one's self to all that while cruising in your own
private yacht smacks of masochism. . . It seems like too many people these
days don't really want to do what a small private yacht does best get away
from it all, instead they want to sight see. Take a freaking airplane.

For me (and other real sailors) the journey is the primary reason to sail,
not
the destination. Any destination that is at odds with the solitude and
individualism of the journey definitely detracts from the journey. Major
ports
are for those who can't really enjoy the journey for its own sake. Those who
seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet, off the beaten path
destinations
haven't a clue about getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.


Wilbur Hubbard

In Julius Caesar's writing we find an apt description: "He is the
worst kind of a fool; He doesn't understand that he is a fool."

You will find, if you ever do undertake a world cruise, that prices
are much higher in these cute little out of the way places then in the
major ports and contrary to what you may think you are going to need
supplies.


Bah, only if you sail a floating condominium full of unnecessary
systems that constantly break down or wear out from constant
use because the so-called sailor is nothing but a lubber in a
floating, energy guzzling apartment.

Your priorities give you away, Bruce. Your main priority seems
to be cheap supplies and available replacement parts (not to
mention mass quantities of diesel fuel). For the most part, one
can eat pretty economically if one catches fish and other seafood
and cooks rice and beans. Green vegetables and canned goods
are generally not too costly most anywhere.

Of course, for folks like you there are undoubtedly a greater choice
of marinas in which to tie to a dock in the larger ports so that probably
attracts your type of cruiser to a great extent. After all, these marinas
provide a captive audience to which you can brag and lie about your
cruising prowess. I know your type, Bruce.

Wilbur Hubbard

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:48:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?



Your statement is yet further proof of which I so wisely speak.

People who "tally" their cruises and who spend as much time
documenting their lame exploits by taking photos

===

Thank you, thought so.

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:48:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Those who seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet,
off the beaten path destinations haven't a clue about
getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?



Your statement is yet further proof of which I so wisely speak.

People who "tally" their cruises and who spend as much time
documenting their lame exploits by taking photos and creating
web pages and photo albums and uploading it all to make the
whole world aware of their greatness are living proof that it's
not the journey but the brag that counts the most to them.

"HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEEEEE!""

Um, grow up, children!


Wilbur Hubbard


And people who never cruise seem to spend much time throwing dust in
the air to obscure their shortcomings.

(the worst kind of fool; he doesn't realize that he is a fool.)

--
Cheers,
Bruce

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:00:19 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"paulthomascpa" wrote in message
...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote
Very revealing those links. It makes me wonder why anybody would want to
cruise from city to city, from crowd to crowd, from noise to noise, from
breathing air full of diesel exhaust, to listen to 24/7 barking dogs and
drunk people, shore side emergency vehicle racket, wake after wake
rolling
the boat.

If I were to do a world cruise, it'd for sure include the major ports of
call. It'd also include lots and lots of the smaller ports, bays,
harbors,
fjords, rivers, and such. But it'd include the major ports because you
have
to go to those too.


Aboard a cruise ship, yes, provided one craves crowds, noise, pollution and
crime. But, to subject one's self to all that while cruising in your own
private yacht smacks of masochism. . . It seems like too many people these
days don't really want to do what a small private yacht does best get away
from it all, instead they want to sight see. Take a freaking airplane.

For me (and other real sailors) the journey is the primary reason to sail,
not
the destination. Any destination that is at odds with the solitude and
individualism of the journey definitely detracts from the journey. Major
ports
are for those who can't really enjoy the journey for its own sake. Those who
seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet, off the beaten path
destinations
haven't a clue about getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.


Wilbur Hubbard

In Julius Caesar's writing we find an apt description: "He is the
worst kind of a fool; He doesn't understand that he is a fool."

You will find, if you ever do undertake a world cruise, that prices
are much higher in these cute little out of the way places then in the
major ports and contrary to what you may think you are going to need
supplies.


Bah, only if you sail a floating condominium full of unnecessary
systems that constantly break down or wear out from constant
use because the so-called sailor is nothing but a lubber in a
floating, energy guzzling apartment.

Your priorities give you away, Bruce. Your main priority seems
to be cheap supplies and available replacement parts (not to
mention mass quantities of diesel fuel). For the most part, one
can eat pretty economically if one catches fish and other seafood
and cooks rice and beans. Green vegetables and canned goods
are generally not too costly most anywhere.

Of course, for folks like you there are undoubtedly a greater choice
of marinas in which to tie to a dock in the larger ports so that probably
attracts your type of cruiser to a great extent. After all, these marinas
provide a captive audience to which you can brag and lie about your
cruising prowess. I know your type, Bruce.

Wilbur Hubbard

As I said Willie-boy, "if you ever undertake a cruise"...

For your information, canned vegetables may well be costly in some
places, or more likely unavailable. Apparently you don't understand
that in most of the "less developed" parts of the world people don't
eat canned veggies... they eat fresh.

You will also find that dried beans are unobtainable in most of Asia
and bulk rice difficult to find in other places.

As for diesel fuel, you don't use it, and your outboard motor just
means that if you need it you will burn far more fuel then I would.
And, burn fuel you will, or you simply won't get there. For example, a
friend coming back from India motored nearly all the way. No wind at
all.

So you see Willie-boy, you are a fool. You sit with your sailing
magazine in hand, thinking that because you read about cruising that
you are a cruiser.

--
Cheers,
Bruce

Out of Gibraltar and heading East
 

"Bruce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:48:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Those who seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet,
off the beaten path destinations haven't a clue about
getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?



Your statement is yet further proof of which I so wisely speak.

People who "tally" their cruises and who spend as much time
documenting their lame exploits by taking photos and creating
web pages and photo albums and uploading it all to make the
whole world aware of their greatness are living proof that it's
not the journey but the brag that counts the most to them.

"HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEEEEE!""

Um, grow up, children!


Wilbur Hubbard


And people who never cruise seem to spend much time throwing dust in
the air to obscure their shortcomings.

(the worst kind of fool; he doesn't realize that he is a fool.)

Says the pussy whipped bloke who failed to make it all the way around because
he succumbed to his wife's nagging and who is now stuck living in a backwater
country permanently attached to a dock with only his past memories of being on
the water. Yah, Bruce you sure do have lots of credibility!

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:13:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:48:34 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 17:42:39 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Those who seek out major ports in lieu of small, quiet,
off the beaten path destinations haven't a clue about
getting away from it all and even less of a clue as to
what cruising in a small private yacht is all about.

So where did you go on your latest cruise? Any pictures?



Your statement is yet further proof of which I so wisely speak.

People who "tally" their cruises and who spend as much time
documenting their lame exploits by taking photos and creating
web pages and photo albums and uploading it all to make the
whole world aware of their greatness are living proof that it's
not the journey but the brag that counts the most to them.

"HEY LOOKIT MEEEEEEEEE!""

Um, grow up, children!


Wilbur Hubbard


And people who never cruise seem to spend much time throwing dust in
the air to obscure their shortcomings.

(the worst kind of fool; he doesn't realize that he is a fool.)

Says the pussy whipped bloke who failed to make it all the way around because
he succumbed to his wife's nagging and who is now stuck living in a backwater
country permanently attached to a dock with only his past memories of being on
the water. Yah, Bruce you sure do have lots of credibility!

Wilbur Hubbard


I don't need credibility, I'm here and you are there, still sitting in
the bay. So, who's the sailor? Certainly not the armchair bound
Willie-boy.

You could, you know. Just pull up the anchor and go, smaller boats
then the Yellow Anchor Buoy have done a circumnavigation. I even gave
you references to the site of a Hungarian bloke who did it in a canoe
sized boat, so, it is evident that lack of equipment is not the
reason.

So, what's left? Fear, sheer terror at sailing off into the sunset? So
much more comfy to just sit there reading the boating magazine.

--
Cheers,
Bruce