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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government
tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. If LightSquared succeeds in this spectrum land-grab, it would be a disaster for GPS users, in particular the aviation industry and the military. There's some BIG money behind them - some big swinging dick investors - and they're trying to get their stake in the ground early enough so that they can hope to succeed against any resistance. Write your representatives. Tom |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 14, 8:32*am, Wayne.B wrote:
BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated her Garmin and gave her old one. I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll all be screwed up |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/11 7:42 AM, Tim wrote:
On Dec 14, 8:32 am, wrote: BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. That could be a bad deal. I'm a slow learner, but my wife just updated her Garmin and gave her old one. I'm not dependent of it but I'm kinda liking it. too bad if they'll all be screwed up From my point of view of being against the takeover of the United States by corporate interests, this is almost laughable. The well-heeled corporate interests at LightSquared are lobbying to push their theory that their snatch of bandwidth isn't going to do any harm to existing services because, well, because they say so. On the other hand, we have reports that: Government tests showed that "LightSquared signals caused harmful interference to the majority of…general purpose GPS receivers," said Anthony Russo, director of the National Coordination Office for Spaced-Based Positioning, Navigation and Timing, a government and industry advisory board, in a statement late Wednesday. How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. Corporatism uber alles. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man
wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/15/11 10:12 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are right, but recent history indicates otherwise, at least as far as the ordinary public's interest goes. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:36:53 -0800 (PST), North Star
wrote: On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. === It's worthwhile to take the course if you're at all interested in navigation as a science. There's no doubt however that GPS is cheaper, easier and a lot more accurate. It's my understanding that celestial nav is no longer being taught to naval officers. Prior to the mid 80s no one could call themselves a serious offshore cruiser unless they knew celestial and were halfway decent at it. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
North Star wrote:
On Dec 15, 11:12 am, wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. You need a GPS to get that rowboat back to shore? Save the money and get new prescription glasses. -HB |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 9:32*am, iBoaterer wrote:
In article b729b219-a136-4050-882b-1af65a81cd57 @i6g2000vbh.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 15, 12:15*pm, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:54:01 -0800 (PST), North Star wrote: On Dec 15, 11:12*am, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:56:56 -0500, X ` Man wrote: How will it end? The usual way: another corporate takeover of an area that should be tightly regulated to protect the public's interest.. And we'll all probably have to subscribe for payment to some future commercial GPS service. === That seems overly pessimistic. * If there is enough grass roots opposition, the proposal as it presently exists will be defeated. That's why it is important that everyone write. My best guess is that eventually Lightspeed will be forced to barter with the FCC to get the use of some other frequencies. I hope you are successful... what happens to you will happen to us. Here on the coast, a good GPS can be a life saver...... *especially now that most boaters have been spoiled and probably rely too heavily on the service. === A lot of folks have forgotten what it was like "in the good old days" when we thought we were doing OK to know our position within a mile or so. * LORAN-C was such a huge improvement that most of us rushed out to buy one as soon as they became affordable because that usually improved our accuracy to plus or minus100 yards. * LORAN is gone now because GPS was another vast improvement, and without it, we'd be back to hand bearing compass, dead reckoning and Radio Direction Finders (extra points awarded if you understand that). *I still have our original RDF purchased back in the early 1970s. *It was crude but after sailing offshore all day in the fog it was a lot better than nothing.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Every fall or winter when I might get bored, I think about buying a sextant and taking the Jr Navigator & Navigation courses from our local Power & Sail Squadron Then I realize it's probably cheaper to invest in a 2nd maping GPS and the urge fades. Yeah, far be it from an idiot like you to want to learn anything, Suckling Don the Coward!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, I've learned that you are the biggest jackass and cowardly NancyBoy in this newsgroup. Of course, that's no great feat since you are painfully transparent. |
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." - from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27? |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6- , says... On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard *Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27? That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah.. Kevin! Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is "crappy"? I said no such thing. As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a compliment. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
In article c5da4e8d-e5c5-4d05-afe7-
, says... On Dec 16, 1:12*pm, iBoaterer wrote: In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6- , says... On Dec 16, 12:21*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. * I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." *- from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard *Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27? That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah.. Kevin! Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is "crappy"? I said no such thing. As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a compliment. Suckling Don the Coward, I, and everyone else, realizes that you are calling me Kevin to deflect from your cowardly actions here. Also, everyone here knows that your daddy Harry has taught you how to insult without really seeming like you are the low life scum that you are. That blistering, peeling paint and junk in your yard is really attractive! |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Dec 16, 4:01*pm, iBoaterer wrote:
In article c5da4e8d-e5c5-4d05-afe7- , says... On Dec 16, 1:12 pm, iBoaterer wrote: In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6- , says... On Dec 16, 12:21 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"North Star" wrote in message
... On Dec 16, 1:12 pm, iBoaterer wrote: In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6- , says... On Dec 16, 12:21 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." - from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27? That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - // // Ah.. Kevin! // Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is // "crappy"? I said no such thing. // As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and // it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a // compliment. Right you are! It's easy to see jealousy showing . . . Wilbur has one fine-looking and capable, blue water sailing yacht, if he must say so himself. And, Cut the Mustard keeps getting better via upgrades. For example, just installed in time for the Christmas holidays (and the many babes who visit) is a brand spanking new Raritan brand, Electro/Scan type I MSD from Defender. It's the one with the electronic readouts and monitoring of the treatment process. A very nice system and it damned well better be for the best part of a grand. Now that I've kicked the collective asses of the Florida FWC to the curb, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to get even by contracting a federal MSD effluent inspector to check to make sure my Type I system is up to the required treatment standards (yes, federal law says they can do this but qualified inspectors are few and far between and mostly check larger vessel, over 65 feet, Type II MSDs). The old Lectra/San was twenty some odd years old and probably was not doing the best of jobs even though it whirred and drew current. I'm sure the internal electrodes that produce the acid from the sea water to kill the bacteria where shot or close to shot. And probably one of the macerator or mixer blades had broke off as it made clunking noises from time to time as it something hard was getting hit inside. Also, I have a new ten-gallon holding tank which I have connected with a tee and ball valve to the output side of the MSC so I can direct treated sewage into the holding tank for use in no-discharge zones. I did not have to do all this as I won my trial against the bogus FWC charge that my vessel is a houseboat an can only meet requirements by having a holding tank installed. I'm did this in order to be a responsible sailor. (Besides, there are some close-quarters situations when anchored in close proximity to other vessels and where people are swimming where the old cedar bucket is a social affront.) Wilbur Hubbard |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
In article db95cd4b-bba4-4075-b73a-cc4133bb1e34
@i6g2000vbe.googlegroups.com, says... On Dec 16, 4:01*pm, iBoaterer wrote: In article c5da4e8d-e5c5-4d05-afe7- , says... On Dec 16, 1:12 pm, iBoaterer wrote: In article 3354b9e1-e0d9-4342-85a6- , says... On Dec 16, 12:21 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at:http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? Those who proceed down the Intracoastal Waterway with eyes glued to their GPS readout are putzes to be sure. It also seems to me that where a clean GPS signal is most needed, the commercial broadcast will not have the range to reach out that far. These signals are very weak and short-range. Lucky if they have a workable range of a mile. "The laboratory testing was performed for the National Space-Based Positioning, Navigation, and Timing (PNT) Systems Engineering Forum, an executive branch body that helps advise policy makers on issues around GPS. It found that 69 of 92, or 75 percent, of receivers tested "experienced harmful interference" at the equivalent of 100 meters (109 yards) from a LightSquared base station." - from link above. If you regularly sail within a 100 meters of a transceiver station (they won't be on the water, folks" then be worried - be very worried, but those instances will be few and far between to non-existent. Thank you and Merry Christmas. Wilbur Hubbard Celebrating Christmas again on that mustard yellow/mauve Coronado 27? That's our Suckling Don, always quick to say crappy things about what other's have, but doesn't like it when someone points out his paint blistered house with garbage in the yard.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah.. Kevin! Are you saying that the mustard yellow/mauve paint scheme is "crappy"? *I said no such thing. As a matter of fact, Capt Neil seems very proud of his Coronado 27 and it's colours. He just might consider the acknowledgement of it as a compliment. Suckling Don the Coward, I, and everyone else, realizes that you are calling me Kevin to deflect from your cowardly actions here. Also, everyone here knows that your daddy Harry has taught you how to insult without really seeming like you are the low life scum that you are. That blistering, peeling paint and junk in your yard is really attractive!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - BTW coward... where were you yesterday and Wednesday? Your absence in Beddington Maine was conspicious, although certainly expected. Who, Kevin? |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message news.com... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? ... sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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says... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message news.com... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS? Boaters try and do it all the time. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote:
In , says... "Wilbur wrote in message news.com... wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS? Boaters try and do it all the time. I've always found that a smile drives my cares away. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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says... On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... "Wilbur wrote in message news.com... wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS? Boaters try and do it all the time. I've always found that a smile drives my cares away. What cares do you have besides trying to keep your lies straight? |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/2011 12:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... "Wilbur wrote in message news.com... wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS? Boaters try and do it all the time. I've always found that a smile drives my cares away. Here's one for you goober. ;-) Hope it helps. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/2011 12:20 PM, X ` Man wrote:
I've always found that a smile drives my cares away. With your caustic personality, I seriously doubt you ever smile. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney"
wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/11 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Farmers have been using GPS guidance devices for years on their planting and harvesting rigs. I see no reason to allow Lightspeed or anyone like it to disrupt a service needed by many sectors of the economy. -- http://flickr.com/gp/hakr/oR82kN |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing, planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers... |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
X ` Man wrote:
On 12/22/11 12:15 PM, BAR wrote: In , says... "Wilbur wrote in message news.com... wrote in message ... BusinessWeek is carrying an article today that says that government tests showed that the proposed LightSquared mobile service caused interference to 75% of all GPS receivers tested. The report can be found at: http://preview.tinyurl.com/7jyaazf There is big money behind this. I'd recommend writing your elected representatives and voicing your concerns. It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. Car satnavs may be affected, but that's off topic. Alisdair Have you ever tried to drive your care in pea soup fog with a GPS? Boaters try and do it all the time. I've always found that a smile drives my cares away. Is that what your psychiatrist taught you? Are you working on your narcissism? -HB |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:46:22 -0500, JustWait
wrote: On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing, planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers... === Holy cannoli ! Robotic tractors? Hope none of them have been drinking and plowing a wide furrow. :-) |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/22/2011 8:09 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:46:22 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing, planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers... === Holy cannoli ! Robotic tractors? Hope none of them have been drinking and plowing a wide furrow. :-) Well, I think they must use something to aid the GPS because iirc the tolerance of GPS is +/- 30 feet or something like that... |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
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Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:43:43 -0500, JustWait
wrote: On 12/22/2011 8:09 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:46:22 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing, planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers... === Holy cannoli ! Robotic tractors? Hope none of them have been drinking and plowing a wide furrow. :-) Well, I think they must use something to aid the GPS because iirc the tolerance of GPS is +/- 30 feet or something like that... One can get accuracy to 3 ft, and even to 6 inches. Just have to throw money at it. Years ago, before GPS, my company did a custom radio control for a local cane farmer's tractor, with all the necessary failsafes. He would drive the harvester and the R/C tractor with a fifth wheel trailer alongside. When the trailer was full, he'd drive the tractor to the pickup site, disconnect and hook on an empty and continue. He was able to stack 'um up for the trucks to pick up all by himself. Rick |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/23/2011 8:09 AM, Rick Morel wrote:
On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:43:43 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/22/2011 8:09 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:46:22 -0500, JustWait wrote: On 12/22/2011 6:11 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 22 Dec 2011 16:18:38 -0000, "Alisdair Gurney" wrote: It seems to me real sailors needn't be concerned about this at all. Who needs GPS inland or very near coastal anyway where landmarks and navigation marks are eyeball visible? .. sorry, but I have to agree with this view. ====== Not really. A lot of navigation is done in coastal waterways and inland rivers, some of it at night or in reduced visibility. It turns out that one of the best connected opponents to the proposed Lightspeed service is tractor manufacturer, John Deere. Apparently a lot of new farm tractors are equipped with precision GPS units for the purpose of accurate seed planting and other hi tech applications. Been going on for a long time. GPS grids are running tractors, plowing, planting, and working millions of acres with no drivers... === Holy cannoli ! Robotic tractors? Hope none of them have been drinking and plowing a wide furrow. :-) Well, I think they must use something to aid the GPS because iirc the tolerance of GPS is +/- 30 feet or something like that... One can get accuracy to 3 ft, and even to 6 inches. Just have to throw money at it. Just with GPS? I was told the closest they could "tune" the atomic clocks in the sattelites created a sloppy area. "That's why they can't land a jet on an Aircraft Carrier with GPS alone, it can't account for the pitch of the deck"... Years ago, before GPS, my company did a custom radio control for a local cane farmer's tractor, with all the necessary failsafes. He would drive the harvester and the R/C tractor with a fifth wheel trailer alongside. When the trailer was full, he'd drive the tractor to the pickup site, disconnect and hook on an empty and continue. Was this GPS alone, something else, or a combination?? He was able to stack 'um up for the trucks to pick up all by himself. Rick |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:14:49 -0500, JustWait
wrote: One can get accuracy to 3 ft, and even to 6 inches. Just have to throw money at it. Just with GPS? I was told the closest they could "tune" the atomic clocks in the sattelites created a sloppy area. "That's why they can't land a jet on an Aircraft Carrier with GPS alone, it can't account for the pitch of the deck"... The pitch of the deck has to do with altitude above sea level. GPS is notoriouly very inaccurate on that. Dang it, I forget the term, DPGS? Anyway you can set up your own stations around the field to increase accuracy. I know you could buy those units, but this was a while back. I hate to assume, but I assume they're still available. Years ago, before GPS, my company did a custom radio control for a local cane farmer's tractor, with all the necessary failsafes. He would drive the harvester and the R/C tractor with a fifth wheel trailer alongside. When the trailer was full, he'd drive the tractor to the pickup site, disconnect and hook on an empty and continue. Was this GPS alone, something else, or a combination?? Uh, look at the first sentence, "Years ago, before GPS,...". It was strictly radio control. We set up a custom panel in the harvester with a couple joysticks and a few switches. Rick |
Proposed Mobile Internet Service Interferes With GPS Units
On 12/23/2011 10:03 AM, Rick Morel wrote:
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 08:14:49 -0500, JustWait wrote: One can get accuracy to 3 ft, and even to 6 inches. Just have to throw money at it. Just with GPS? I was told the closest they could "tune" the atomic clocks in the sattelites created a sloppy area. "That's why they can't land a jet on an Aircraft Carrier with GPS alone, it can't account for the pitch of the deck"... The pitch of the deck has to do with altitude above sea level. GPS is notoriouly very inaccurate on that. Dang it, I forget the term, DPGS? Anyway you can set up your own stations around the field to increase accuracy. I know you could buy those units, but this was a while back. I hate to assume, but I assume they're still available. Years ago, before GPS, my company did a custom radio control for a local cane farmer's tractor, with all the necessary failsafes. He would drive the harvester and the R/C tractor with a fifth wheel trailer alongside. When the trailer was full, he'd drive the tractor to the pickup site, disconnect and hook on an empty and continue. Was this GPS alone, something else, or a combination?? Uh, look at the first sentence, "Years ago, before GPS,...". It was strictly radio control. We set up a custom panel in the harvester with a couple joysticks and a few switches. Rick Interesting, thanks. |
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