Toe Rail Recaulk
Toe Rail Recaulk
I'm at the stage in my chores that I'm digging out all the old caulking (3M 101 at the time - it's no longer available) to recaulk our toerail. My fiberglass supplier, with a long history in the boatbuilding biz, is recommending Bostic 940FS. Water cleanup and tooling, it looks easy to work with, with a 20 minute skin time.. I'm having some serious questions as to the wisdom of using this material. The 101 I'm taking out in some places is very resistant to removal (others pull our fine with the V-shaped tool I'm using to get under the center and catch the edges in one pass). However, that's merely caulk, and not an adhesive. Knowing 5200's reputation for later removal makes me think twice. I hope I don't, but realistically I expect that at some point in the future, I'll be recaulking the toe rail. Whether I'd be able to get this stuff out without treating it (time, money, ?? impact on the paint/teak) is keeping my attention right now. Has anyone used this stuff (Bostic 940FS) to say how it behaves, particularly in having to remove it? Secondly, if you've had years of experience (how does it hold up?), if not this, what do you use which is currently available (101's not)? Thanks. L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
Toe Rail Recaulk
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Toe Rail Recaulk
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:01:47 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: Toe Rail Recaulk I'm at the stage in my chores that I'm digging out all the old caulking (3M 101 at the time - it's no longer available) to recaulk our toerail. My fiberglass supplier, with a long history in the boatbuilding biz, is recommending Bostic 940FS. Water cleanup and tooling, it looks easy to work with, with a 20 minute skin time.. I'm having some serious questions as to the wisdom of using this material. The 101 I'm taking out in some places is very resistant to removal (others pull our fine with the V-shaped tool I'm using to get under the center and catch the edges in one pass). However, that's merely caulk, and not an adhesive. Knowing 5200's reputation for later removal makes me think twice. I hope I don't, but realistically I expect that at some point in the future, I'll be recaulking the toe rail. Whether I'd be able to get this stuff out without treating it (time, money, ?? impact on the paint/teak) is keeping my attention right now. Has anyone used this stuff (Bostic 940FS) to say how it behaves, particularly in having to remove it? Secondly, if you've had years of experience (how does it hold up?), if not this, what do you use which is currently available (101's not)? Thanks. L8R Skip The majority seem to be using either 3M 5200, or it's quick setting brother, or one of the Sikaflex sealants/adhesives. Bostic 940FS has a tensile strength of 255 psi @ non-stated elongation, but over 100% 3M 5200 has a tensile strength of 700 psi with 1350% elongation before break. The Bostic cleans up with water, the 3M cleans up with 3M cleaner, white spirits, diesel fuel, etc. But a question. If you use 5200 why do you think that you would later be recaulking? Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:21:19 +0700, Bruce
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:01:47 -0400, "Flying Pig" wrote: Toe Rail Recaulk I'm at the stage in my chores that I'm digging out all the old caulking (3M 101 at the time - it's no longer available) to recaulk our toerail. My fiberglass supplier, with a long history in the boatbuilding biz, is recommending Bostic 940FS. Water cleanup and tooling, it looks easy to work with, with a 20 minute skin time.. I'm having some serious questions as to the wisdom of using this material. The 101 I'm taking out in some places is very resistant to removal (others pull our fine with the V-shaped tool I'm using to get under the center and catch the edges in one pass). However, that's merely caulk, and not an adhesive. Knowing 5200's reputation for later removal makes me think twice. I hope I don't, but realistically I expect that at some point in the future, I'll be recaulking the toe rail. Whether I'd be able to get this stuff out without treating it (time, money, ?? impact on the paint/teak) is keeping my attention right now. Has anyone used this stuff (Bostic 940FS) to say how it behaves, particularly in having to remove it? Secondly, if you've had years of experience (how does it hold up?), if not this, what do you use which is currently available (101's not)? Thanks. L8R Skip The majority seem to be using either 3M 5200, or it's quick setting brother, or one of the Sikaflex sealants/adhesives. Bostic 940FS has a tensile strength of 255 psi @ non-stated elongation, but over 100% 3M 5200 has a tensile strength of 700 psi with 1350% elongation before break. The Bostic cleans up with water, the 3M cleans up with 3M cleaner, white spirits, diesel fuel, etc. But a question. If you use 5200 why do you think that you would later be recaulking? ================================================== ===== We've had good luck with 3M 4000 UV Marine Fast Cure Sealant on areas that that are exposed to direct sunlight. http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ct.do?pid=2005 |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:48:42 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: We've had good luck with 3M 4000 UV Marine Fast Cure Sealant on areas that that are exposed to direct sunlight. http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ct.do?pid=2005 PS, It cleans up very well with WD-40, spray it on, wipe it off. |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:48:42 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:21:19 +0700, Bruce wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:01:47 -0400, "Flying Pig" wrote: Toe Rail Recaulk I'm at the stage in my chores that I'm digging out all the old caulking (3M 101 at the time - it's no longer available) to recaulk our toerail. My fiberglass supplier, with a long history in the boatbuilding biz, is recommending Bostic 940FS. Water cleanup and tooling, it looks easy to work with, with a 20 minute skin time.. I'm having some serious questions as to the wisdom of using this material. The 101 I'm taking out in some places is very resistant to removal (others pull our fine with the V-shaped tool I'm using to get under the center and catch the edges in one pass). However, that's merely caulk, and not an adhesive. Knowing 5200's reputation for later removal makes me think twice. I hope I don't, but realistically I expect that at some point in the future, I'll be recaulking the toe rail. Whether I'd be able to get this stuff out without treating it (time, money, ?? impact on the paint/teak) is keeping my attention right now. Has anyone used this stuff (Bostic 940FS) to say how it behaves, particularly in having to remove it? Secondly, if you've had years of experience (how does it hold up?), if not this, what do you use which is currently available (101's not)? Thanks. L8R Skip The majority seem to be using either 3M 5200, or it's quick setting brother, or one of the Sikaflex sealants/adhesives. Bostic 940FS has a tensile strength of 255 psi @ non-stated elongation, but over 100% 3M 5200 has a tensile strength of 700 psi with 1350% elongation before break. The Bostic cleans up with water, the 3M cleans up with 3M cleaner, white spirits, diesel fuel, etc. But a question. If you use 5200 why do you think that you would later be recaulking? ================================================= ====== We've had good luck with 3M 4000 UV Marine Fast Cure Sealant on areas that that are exposed to direct sunlight. http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ct.do?pid=2005 I've never used the 4000 but they seem to sell a lot. Except for installing plastic windows, where I use Sekaflex 295UV along with the appropriate primer, I've always used 5200. for mounting stuff and in my experience it is reasonably easy to remove items installed using it. On the other hand, if one installs, say a thru hull or a winch, one usually does it with the idea that it shouldn't come adrift so I've always view the argument that "Ooooh it is so hard to take it off" with a certain amount of awe. Who wants a thru-hull to come off easily :-) By the by, I've used 5200 when mounting stainless hardware on aluminum when I didn't have anything else. several years later I had occasion to take the fittings off to repaint the spars and the screws came out with a common screwdriver and there was no signs of corrosion anywhere. Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:03:07 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:48:42 -0400, Wayne B wrote: We've had good luck with 3M 4000 UV Marine Fast Cure Sealant on areas that that are exposed to direct sunlight. http://www.jamestowndistributors.com...ct.do?pid=2005 PS, It cleans up very well with WD-40, spray it on, wipe it off. I've used MEK, kerosene, white spirits; practically everything but water and it all worked. On the other hand, soapy water works well to smooth it without getting your fingers all sticky :-) Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 18:58:53 +0700, Bruce
wrote: By the by, I've used 5200 when mounting stainless hardware on aluminum when I didn't have anything else. several years later I had occasion to take the fittings off to repaint the spars and the screws came out with a common screwdriver and there was no signs of corrosion anywhere. ==== Yes, it's good for preventing fastener corrosion but Skip's application is different. Essentially he is trying to seal up an external seam between the toe rail and the deck as I understand it. That is a somewhat problematic application because it depends on adhesion to exposed surfaces for effectiveness, and it gets full exposure to sunlight. We've had good luck with the 3M 4000UV on our front widshields which have a similar issue. Nothing is truly permanent in that application but we've been getting 2 or 3 years on average. |
Toe Rail Recaulk
"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... Toe Rail Recaulk I have been waiting patiently to see if there were any real sailors here and apparently there are NOT. Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:24:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Flying Pig" wrote in message ... Toe Rail Recaulk I have been waiting patiently to see if there were any real sailors here and apparently there are NOT. Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard The Bing search engine says you are wrong - 51,400,000 times. See below for examples. http://www.yachtsupplydepot.com/exte...s/cat_686.html http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...il& FORM=IGRE http://en.mimi.hu/boating/toe_rail.html http://j27.wikispaces.com/Mast-Rig+Tuning http://www.j27.org/J27cr.htm I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; open it and they'll know it. Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
Perhaps he was thinking of the Taff Rail...
:{)) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:24:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Flying Pig" wrote in message ... Toe Rail Recaulk I have been waiting patiently to see if there were any real sailors here and apparently there are NOT. Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard The Bing search engine says you are wrong - 51,400,000 times. See below for examples. http://www.yachtsupplydepot.com/exte...s/cat_686.html http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...il& FORM=IGRE http://en.mimi.hu/boating/toe_rail.html http://j27.wikispaces.com/Mast-Rig+Tuning http://www.j27.org/J27cr.htm I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; open it and they'll know it. Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:01:47 -0400, "Flying Pig" wrote: Toe Rail Recaulk I'm at the stage in my chores that I'm digging out all the old caulking (3M 101 at the time - it's no longer available) to recaulk our toerail. My fiberglass supplier, with a long history in the boatbuilding biz, is recommending Bostic 940FS. Water cleanup and tooling, it looks easy to work with, with a 20 minute skin time.. I'm having some serious questions as to the wisdom of using this material. The 101 I'm taking out in some places is very resistant to removal (others pull our fine with the V-shaped tool I'm using to get under the center and catch the edges in one pass). However, that's merely caulk, and not an adhesive. Knowing 5200's reputation for later removal makes me think twice. I hope I don't, but realistically I expect that at some point in the future, I'll be recaulking the toe rail. Whether I'd be able to get this stuff out without treating it (time, money, ?? impact on the paint/teak) is keeping my attention right now. Has anyone used this stuff (Bostic 940FS) to say how it behaves, particularly in having to remove it? Secondly, if you've had years of experience (how does it hold up?), if not this, what do you use which is currently available (101's not)? Thanks. L8R Skip The majority seem to be using either 3M 5200, or it's quick setting brother, or one of the Sikaflex sealants/adhesives. Bostic 940FS has a tensile strength of 255 psi @ non-stated elongation, but over 100% 3M 5200 has a tensile strength of 700 psi with 1350% elongation before break. The Bostic cleans up with water, the 3M cleans up with 3M cleaner, white spirits, diesel fuel, etc. But a question. If you use 5200 why do you think that you would later be recaulking? Cheers, Bruce WRONG! http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_se...es/toerail.php Good Old Boat knows their nautical terms. You and Skippy don't. It's that simple. Wilbur Hubbard |
Toe Rail Recaulk
"Bruce" wrote in message
... On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:24:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Flying Pig" wrote in message ... Toe Rail Recaulk I have been waiting patiently to see if there were any real sailors here and apparently there are NOT. Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard The Bing search engine says you are wrong - 51,400,000 times. See below for examples. http://www.yachtsupplydepot.com/exte...s/cat_686.html http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...il& FORM=IGRE http://en.mimi.hu/boating/toe_rail.html http://j27.wikispaces.com/Mast-Rig+Tuning http://www.j27.org/J27cr.htm I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; open it and they'll know it. Cheers, Bruce WRONG! Good Old Boat Magazine uses the correct term "toerail". http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_se...es/toerail.php Good Old Boat knows their nautical terms. You and Skippy don't. It's that simple. "Toe rail' is a lubberly version of the old, time-tested term 'toerail'. Wilbur Hubbard |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 12:56:26 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 31 Aug 2011 19:24:23 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Flying Pig" wrote in message ... Toe Rail Recaulk I have been waiting patiently to see if there were any real sailors here and apparently there are NOT. Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard The Bing search engine says you are wrong - 51,400,000 times. See below for examples. http://www.yachtsupplydepot.com/exte...s/cat_686.html http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...il& FORM=IGRE http://en.mimi.hu/boating/toe_rail.html http://j27.wikispaces.com/Mast-Rig+Tuning http://www.j27.org/J27cr.htm I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; open it and they'll know it. Cheers, Bruce WRONG! Good Old Boat Magazine uses the correct term "toerail". http://www.goodoldboat.com/reader_se...es/toerail.php Good Old Boat knows their nautical terms. You and Skippy don't. It's that simple. "Toe rail' is a lubberly version of the old, time-tested term 'toerail'. Wilbur Hubbard Willy boy you remind me of the old Jewish woman watching the WW II parade in Times Square, New York. When she saw her son she cried out, "Oh Look! There is my Irvine, look every is out of step except him". I provide some 51,000,000 examples of 'Toe Rail" and you provide one example of "toerail"..... I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; but you opened it and now they know. Cheers, Bruce |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:06:54 +0700, Bruce
wrote: Real sailors would know "toerail" is one word. Duh! You're welcome! Wilbur Hubbard The Bing search engine says you are wrong - 51,400,000 times. See below for examples. http://www.yachtsupplydepot.com/exte...s/cat_686.html http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=...il& FORM=IGRE http://en.mimi.hu/boating/toe_rail.html http://j27.wikispaces.com/Mast-Rig+Tuning http://www.j27.org/J27cr.htm I've told you before Willie, keep your mouth closed and people may think that you are stupid; open it and they'll know it. Cheers, Bruce Shortly after coming aboard my can when I joined the Navy, I wanted to take a look at the chain locker. Asked a Boatswain Mate something like, "Where's the hatch to get below the forecastle?" He didn't understand me and asked me to repeat. I did. He sill had to think about it, then he laughed and said. "You mean foc'sle," and gave me directions. And of course boatswain is bosun. Holy Worcestershire! --Vic |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:36:56 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote: Shortly after coming aboard my can when I joined the Navy, I wanted to take a look at the chain locker. Asked a Boatswain Mate something like, "Where's the hatch to get below the forecastle?" He didn't understand me and asked me to repeat. I did. He sill had to think about it, then he laughed and said. "You mean foc'sle," and gave me directions. And of course boatswain is bosun. Holy Worcestershire! === Holy cannoli ! Is foc'sle pronounced something like "folk sil" ? |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:56:27 -0400, Wayne B
wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:36:56 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: Shortly after coming aboard my can when I joined the Navy, I wanted to take a look at the chain locker. Asked a Boatswain Mate something like, "Where's the hatch to get below the forecastle?" He didn't understand me and asked me to repeat. I did. He sill had to think about it, then he laughed and said. "You mean foc'sle," and gave me directions. And of course boatswain is bosun. Holy Worcestershire! === Holy cannoli ! Is foc'sle pronounced something like "folk sil" ? Exactly. The "l" in folk gave me pause until I said it a few times. "Meet the Fockers" first came to mind. Nope. You have it exactly right. --Vic |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Sep 2, 7:57*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 19:56:27 -0400, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 08:36:56 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: Shortly after coming aboard my can when I joined the Navy, I wanted to take a look at the chain locker. Asked a Boatswain Mate something like, "Where's the hatch to get below the forecastle?" He didn't understand me and asked me to repeat. I did. *He sill had to think about it, *then he laughed and said. "You mean foc'sle," and gave me directions. And of course boatswain is bosun. Holy Worcestershire! === Holy cannoli ! Is foc'sle pronounced something like "folk sil" ? Exactly. *The "l" in folk gave me pause until I said it a few times. "Meet the Fockers" first came to mind. *Nope. You have it exactly right. --Vic good to see you again, Vic. |
Toe Rail Recaulk
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 06:18:58 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: good to see you again, Vic. Hey, Tim. Hope your boating went well this year. In about 23 days I'll be in Florida, and get to see some boats. Might even get in one. Or I might just fish at the dock. Any way it turns out, it'll be nice! --Vic |
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