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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
On 7/13/11 6:50 PM, Harryk wrote:
Two charged in scuffle at St. Louis County meeting found not guilty CLAYTON • Two men charged in an altercation outside a contentious town hall forum in 2009 were found not guilty of assault after a trial in St. Louis County Municipal Court. The verdict came today after a trial that started Monday. Elston McCowan, of St. Louis, and Perry Molens, of De Soto, had been charged with attacking a third man who was selling buttons outside the politically charged meeting, called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, at the height of debate over health care reform. Carnahan had wanted aging to be the subject, but many in the crowd wanted to argue over the president's health care plan. Kenneth Gladney said he was selling "Don't Tread on Me" buttons and flags outside the forum when McCowan and Molens attacked him without provocation. The two were charged with assaulting a person and interfering with police, both ordinance violations. The interfering with police charges were dropped and the trial was for assault charge, for which they could have each faced up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The jury deliberated about 40 minutes before returning with their verdict. "They lost because they lied, it's as simple as that," said Molens after hearing the verdict. He said since the incident he has received death threats from Tea Party members, who had Gladney speak about the incident at Tea Party gatherings. "I'm thrilled," said Paul D'Agrosa, the attorney representing McCowan and Molens. "It wasn't tried on the internet. It wasn't tried on the blogosphere," he said, referring to political groups who wrote about the incident online, posting videos of the incident and interviews with witnesses. Gladney, 40, of St. Ann, declined to comment after the verdict and directed questions to his twin brother, Keith. Keith Gladney said the judicial system failed his brother. “It’s atrocious. It’s obvious," Keith Gladney said. "The legal system here has come to the point where you can beat somebody up and still get off.” McCowan and Molens, each at the meeting for the Service Employees International Union, claim Gladney was selling anti-Obama buttons, and that when they confronted him about them, Gladney started the physical attack by slapping McCowan's hands. Molens testified that Gladney slapped McCowan's hands a second time, and that McCowan pushed him. "Gladney started punching him in the face," Molens said. "I tried pulling him off." The attack escalated with more punches and shoves, and McCowan suffered a fractured shoulder, he testified. McCowan, a Baptist minister, got chuckles in the courtroom when he testified that he didn't turn the other cheek because it "hadn't gotten hit yet." Four others were also arrested and charged that night. County Counselor Patricia Redington said charges against two were dropped after the defendants completed 32 hours of community service each. A charge of interfering with an officer against a Glendale man was also dropped. A Post-Dispatch reporter covering the events that night also was charged with interfering with a police officer for allegedly failing to obey repeated commands to leave. That case is pending. Read mo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...#ixzz1S1otZn8C - - - The incredibly ignorant Scott Ingersoll was touting this case... This post is just my way of studying deviant behavior. Really, that is the only reason I bother to visit rec.boats. If anyone is interested in joining my Facebook Account please contact me. I promise I will keep all personal information confidential. Scott Ingersoll of Centerbrook, Connecticut don't bother to apply. According to the Centerbrook Police Dept you are one sick puppy. I told them about you sleeping with prepubescent girls, and they told me they were keeping an eye on you. -- Want to discuss recreational boating and fishing in a forum where personal insults are not allowed? http://groups.google.com/group/rec-boating-fishing |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
Harryk wrote:
On 7/13/11 6:50 PM, Harryk wrote: Two charged in scuffle at St. Louis County meeting found not guilty CLAYTON • Two men charged in an altercation outside a contentious town hall forum in 2009 were found not guilty of assault after a trial in St. Louis County Municipal Court. The verdict came today after a trial that started Monday. Elston McCowan, of St. Louis, and Perry Molens, of De Soto, had been charged with attacking a third man who was selling buttons outside the politically charged meeting, called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, at the height of debate over health care reform. Carnahan had wanted aging to be the subject, but many in the crowd wanted to argue over the president's health care plan. Kenneth Gladney said he was selling "Don't Tread on Me" buttons and flags outside the forum when McCowan and Molens attacked him without provocation. The two were charged with assaulting a person and interfering with police, both ordinance violations. The interfering with police charges were dropped and the trial was for assault charge, for which they could have each faced up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The jury deliberated about 40 minutes before returning with their verdict. "They lost because they lied, it's as simple as that," said Molens after hearing the verdict. He said since the incident he has received death threats from Tea Party members, who had Gladney speak about the incident at Tea Party gatherings. "I'm thrilled," said Paul D'Agrosa, the attorney representing McCowan and Molens. "It wasn't tried on the internet. It wasn't tried on the blogosphere," he said, referring to political groups who wrote about the incident online, posting videos of the incident and interviews with witnesses. Gladney, 40, of St. Ann, declined to comment after the verdict and directed questions to his twin brother, Keith. Keith Gladney said the judicial system failed his brother. “It’s atrocious. It’s obvious," Keith Gladney said. "The legal system here has come to the point where you can beat somebody up and still get off.” McCowan and Molens, each at the meeting for the Service Employees International Union, claim Gladney was selling anti-Obama buttons, and that when they confronted him about them, Gladney started the physical attack by slapping McCowan's hands. Molens testified that Gladney slapped McCowan's hands a second time, and that McCowan pushed him. "Gladney started punching him in the face," Molens said. "I tried pulling him off." The attack escalated with more punches and shoves, and McCowan suffered a fractured shoulder, he testified. McCowan, a Baptist minister, got chuckles in the courtroom when he testified that he didn't turn the other cheek because it "hadn't gotten hit yet." Four others were also arrested and charged that night. County Counselor Patricia Redington said charges against two were dropped after the defendants completed 32 hours of community service each. A charge of interfering with an officer against a Glendale man was also dropped. A Post-Dispatch reporter covering the events that night also was charged with interfering with a police officer for allegedly failing to obey repeated commands to leave. That case is pending. Read mo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...#ixzz1S1otZn8C - - - The incredibly ignorant Scott Ingersoll was touting this case... This post is just my way of studying deviant behavior. Really, that is the only reason I bother to visit rec.boats. If anyone is interested in joining my Facebook Account please contact me. I promise I will keep all personal information confidential. Scott Ingersoll of Centerbrook, Connecticut don't bother to apply. According to the Centerbrook Police Dept you are one sick puppy. I told them about you sleeping with prepubescent girls, and they told me they were keeping an eye on you. No, Harry, I'm not interested in you private forum. And would you please clean up your act in THIS one? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
On 7/13/11 8:09 PM, CaveLamb wrote:
Harryk wrote: On 7/13/11 6:50 PM, Harryk wrote: Two charged in scuffle at St. Louis County meeting found not guilty CLAYTON • Two men charged in an altercation outside a contentious town hall forum in 2009 were found not guilty of assault after a trial in St. Louis County Municipal Court. The verdict came today after a trial that started Monday. Elston McCowan, of St. Louis, and Perry Molens, of De Soto, had been charged with attacking a third man who was selling buttons outside the politically charged meeting, called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, at the height of debate over health care reform. Carnahan had wanted aging to be the subject, but many in the crowd wanted to argue over the president's health care plan. Kenneth Gladney said he was selling "Don't Tread on Me" buttons and flags outside the forum when McCowan and Molens attacked him without provocation. The two were charged with assaulting a person and interfering with police, both ordinance violations. The interfering with police charges were dropped and the trial was for assault charge, for which they could have each faced up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The jury deliberated about 40 minutes before returning with their verdict. "They lost because they lied, it's as simple as that," said Molens after hearing the verdict. He said since the incident he has received death threats from Tea Party members, who had Gladney speak about the incident at Tea Party gatherings. "I'm thrilled," said Paul D'Agrosa, the attorney representing McCowan and Molens. "It wasn't tried on the internet. It wasn't tried on the blogosphere," he said, referring to political groups who wrote about the incident online, posting videos of the incident and interviews with witnesses. Gladney, 40, of St. Ann, declined to comment after the verdict and directed questions to his twin brother, Keith. Keith Gladney said the judicial system failed his brother. “It’s atrocious. It’s obvious," Keith Gladney said. "The legal system here has come to the point where you can beat somebody up and still get off.” McCowan and Molens, each at the meeting for the Service Employees International Union, claim Gladney was selling anti-Obama buttons, and that when they confronted him about them, Gladney started the physical attack by slapping McCowan's hands. Molens testified that Gladney slapped McCowan's hands a second time, and that McCowan pushed him. "Gladney started punching him in the face," Molens said. "I tried pulling him off." The attack escalated with more punches and shoves, and McCowan suffered a fractured shoulder, he testified. McCowan, a Baptist minister, got chuckles in the courtroom when he testified that he didn't turn the other cheek because it "hadn't gotten hit yet." Four others were also arrested and charged that night. County Counselor Patricia Redington said charges against two were dropped after the defendants completed 32 hours of community service each. A charge of interfering with an officer against a Glendale man was also dropped. A Post-Dispatch reporter covering the events that night also was charged with interfering with a police officer for allegedly failing to obey repeated commands to leave. That case is pending. Read mo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...#ixzz1S1otZn8C - - - The incredibly ignorant Scott Ingersoll was touting this case... This post is just my way of studying deviant behavior. Really, that is the only reason I bother to visit rec.boats. If anyone is interested in joining my Facebook Account please contact me. I promise I will keep all personal information confidential. Scott Ingersoll of Centerbrook, Connecticut don't bother to apply. According to the Centerbrook Police Dept you are one sick puppy. I told them about you sleeping with prepubescent girls, and they told me they were keeping an eye on you. No, Harry, I'm not interested in you private forum. And would you please clean up your act in THIS one? Sorry, Dickie, but once again, you are responding to an ID spoofer, and your response is precisely the reaction the spoofer wants. You've been had. Again. Sucks, eh? |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
-- Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress I really like the layout of the sail boat. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress Thanks for posting the link. |
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Something about boats...
Hi Tim,
Yes, it's different from the traditional old style Catalinas. But he new 3 digit boats are very similar. We think Frank used this boat to work out the shape and construction details for the new series. I like the beam (9'10"). Makes it really roomy below. Tim wrote: -- Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress I really like the layout of the sail boat. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress Thanks for posting the link. -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
Harryk wrote:
Sorry, Dickie, but once again, you are responding to an ID spoofer, and your response is precisely the reaction the spoofer wants. You've been had. Again. Sucks, eh? Dickie? -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: -- Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress I really like the layout of the sail boat. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress Thanks for posting the link. Yes, nice boat. The first overnight distance race I ever did on a sailboat was on a friend's Catalina 27 sometime back in the mid 70's. A 26 or 27 footer is like a mega yacht compared to an 18 or 19. Usable size literally increases as the cube of length, i.e., a boat 50% longer has almost 3.4x more usable space. Enjoy. |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
On 7/13/2011 8:14 PM, Harryk wrote:
On 7/13/11 8:09 PM, CaveLamb wrote: Harryk wrote: On 7/13/11 6:50 PM, Harryk wrote: Two charged in scuffle at St. Louis County meeting found not guilty CLAYTON • Two men charged in an altercation outside a contentious town hall forum in 2009 were found not guilty of assault after a trial in St. Louis County Municipal Court. The verdict came today after a trial that started Monday. Elston McCowan, of St. Louis, and Perry Molens, of De Soto, had been charged with attacking a third man who was selling buttons outside the politically charged meeting, called by U.S. Rep. Russ Carnahan, D-St. Louis, at the height of debate over health care reform. Carnahan had wanted aging to be the subject, but many in the crowd wanted to argue over the president's health care plan. Kenneth Gladney said he was selling "Don't Tread on Me" buttons and flags outside the forum when McCowan and Molens attacked him without provocation. The two were charged with assaulting a person and interfering with police, both ordinance violations. The interfering with police charges were dropped and the trial was for assault charge, for which they could have each faced up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The jury deliberated about 40 minutes before returning with their verdict. "They lost because they lied, it's as simple as that," said Molens after hearing the verdict. He said since the incident he has received death threats from Tea Party members, who had Gladney speak about the incident at Tea Party gatherings. "I'm thrilled," said Paul D'Agrosa, the attorney representing McCowan and Molens. "It wasn't tried on the internet. It wasn't tried on the blogosphere," he said, referring to political groups who wrote about the incident online, posting videos of the incident and interviews with witnesses. Gladney, 40, of St. Ann, declined to comment after the verdict and directed questions to his twin brother, Keith. Keith Gladney said the judicial system failed his brother. “It’s atrocious. It’s obvious," Keith Gladney said. "The legal system here has come to the point where you can beat somebody up and still get off.” McCowan and Molens, each at the meeting for the Service Employees International Union, claim Gladney was selling anti-Obama buttons, and that when they confronted him about them, Gladney started the physical attack by slapping McCowan's hands. Molens testified that Gladney slapped McCowan's hands a second time, and that McCowan pushed him. "Gladney started punching him in the face," Molens said. "I tried pulling him off." The attack escalated with more punches and shoves, and McCowan suffered a fractured shoulder, he testified. McCowan, a Baptist minister, got chuckles in the courtroom when he testified that he didn't turn the other cheek because it "hadn't gotten hit yet." Four others were also arrested and charged that night. County Counselor Patricia Redington said charges against two were dropped after the defendants completed 32 hours of community service each. A charge of interfering with an officer against a Glendale man was also dropped. A Post-Dispatch reporter covering the events that night also was charged with interfering with a police officer for allegedly failing to obey repeated commands to leave. That case is pending. Read mo http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...#ixzz1S1otZn8C - - - The incredibly ignorant Scott Ingersoll was touting this case... This post is just my way of studying deviant behavior. Really, that is the only reason I bother to visit rec.boats. If anyone is interested in joining my Facebook Account please contact me. I promise I will keep all personal information confidential. Scott Ingersoll of Centerbrook, Connecticut don't bother to apply. According to the Centerbrook Police Dept you are one sick puppy. I told them about you sleeping with prepubescent girls, and they told me they were keeping an eye on you. No, Harry, I'm not interested in you private forum. And would you please clean up your act in THIS one? Sorry, Dickie, but once again, you are responding to an ID spoofer, and your response is precisely the reaction the spoofer wants. You've been had. Again. Sucks, eh? But it's your name that's being tossed around. Sucks eh? |
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Teabagger who claimed he was beaten loses in criminal trial
Wayne B wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: -- Richard Lambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelambhttp://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress I really like the layout of the sail boat. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress Thanks for posting the link. Yes, nice boat. The first overnight distance race I ever did on a sailboat was on a friend's Catalina 27 sometime back in the mid 70's. A 26 or 27 footer is like a mega yacht compared to an 18 or 19. Usable size literally increases as the cube of length, i.e., a boat 50% longer has almost 3.4x more usable space. Enjoy. Thank you, Wayne! Funny you mention that.  The boat I had prior to the 26 was a Capri 18. The 18 was perhaps the handiest keel boat I've ever sailed. Not fast, mind you. One can only do so much with a 16 foot water line, although she was rated as the fastest of the 18 footers. Slow acceleration due to weight, but she would come up to speed and keep going. Sweet sailing and responsive. I got a standing ovation the first time I sailed her to the slip. NOBODY else would even try it. I drew up a couple of sketches and posted them on my web page comparing the two. The Capri 26 is nearly the exact same boat - just 50% longer (and 60% wider?). I've sailed Catalina 27s quite a bit. It's a nice sailing boat, honest and predictable, and seaworthy. But you have to be careful comparing length. For instance, my 26 is 4 inches longer than the 27! (waterline length) and a foot more beam (although the new 270s have the same beam we have). These new shaped Cats carry the max beam further aft than the older boats. That's where people load the weight on, and having more displacement aft tends to hold longitudinal trim better. Gives them stronger shoulders. Makes more room below too. I'm getting used to the new sails. We've been out half a dozen times now - 25 to 30 hours with them. It's does move along better in light wind, and stays well in moderate wind (15 with gusts). But I've not had any big wind yet. Nothing that would require reefing main or jib. Still looking forward to that. And, in the mean time, I love piddling with it. Keeps my hands busy and out of trouble. -- Richard Lamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~cavelamb http://www.home.earthlink.net/~sv_temptress |
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