On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:19:44 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"CaveLamb" wrote in message
news
You can lead a horse's ass to water, but you can't make him think...


No, it's not drying. And the reason why is a very simple one. The wetness
you are attempting to dry is not water, but something else.

That's where you're wrong. It is a solution that attracts water. The water
that it attracts can be diffused right back out. It is NOT an inseparable
chemical bond. It is a solution. Just like salt water is a solution. Diffuse
the water out of salt water and you end up with salt crystals. Duh!

Unfortunately, while you can talk about salt and water until the cows
come home. What is happening is two substances chemically combining
and form a new substance that cannot be separated, Called, strangely
enough a "chemical mixture" as opposed to your "mechanical mixture" of
salt and water.

In many cases, it can sit there forever and never go away.

Wrong again! It WILL diffuse and evaporate away given a hefty relative
humity gradient which Is what I advocate via storage near or above the
arctic circle where relative humidities are very low.

It never goes away. You can put a blistered hull "on the hard" and the
blisters never go away.

You can prove this for yourself by performing a simple test. Collect some
fluid samples from blisters on any boat. Rupture the blister with a sharp
knife point, then press against it and let it spray into an empty film
canister. Then place droplets of the sample on a piece of clean metal or
glass. Take it home and put it in a cool, dry place for two weeks.

But, ask yourself just what relative humitidy are you working with. If you
have a relative humidity of 80% for example then the chemical will remail
quite sticky. Take that same sample and place it in a low humidity
environment and it quickly becomes a solid because the water evaporates out
of solution. Duh!

Willie-boy, use google and discover a "chemical mixture" which cannot
be unmixed...

When you return to your samples you will find that it has not evaporated,
but has hardened into a droplet of near solid clear plastic with no
detectable loss in volume or size.

Ask yourself what was the relative humidity when they conducted this test?
Huh? They didn't tell you. Surprise, surprise! Because they are as stupid
and gullible as you are they have believed a totally incomplete and biased
picture.

It may remain somewhat sticky, or it may fully harden to the touch. If
you now take that sample and put it outside in very damp or humid weather,
you will find that it will soften up again. In other words, that material
is and will absorb water right out of the atmosphere. Now add
a drop of water to the sample. Surprise! It will dissolve the solidified
material very quickly. And if you take a moisture meter reading of the
solidified material on a piece of glass, you'll get a high reading.

"Hydroscopic". Big words to come out a stupid mouth. Unfortunately
wrong again, the word is "hygroscopic". But in any case, if you were
correct a fiberglass hull would develop osmosis from sitting on the
hard in Florida.....


Atmosphere, smatmosphere. None of that applies to osmosis occurring under
water on a boat's bottom. Clueless dolts can't seem to understand this
simple fact.

Willie-boy, I must admit that once in a great while you actually hit
the nail on the head. You are right Mr. Willie (Clueless Dolt)-boy,
you can't understand this.


What you will have just demonstrated is the reason why your hull won't
dry,

In a high humidity environment, of course the water won't diffuse out of the
hull and evaporate but please tell me when I have EVER advocated the hull be
stored in a high humidity environment? Just the opposite. I have always
maintained that the drying process must take place in a very low humidity
environment.

and the answer on how to dry it. What is migrating out of your exposed
hull laminate is a combination of hydrolyzed polyester resin, salts and
other chemicals.

It isn't "hydrolyzed polyester resin" although I admit that sounds
very impressive it isn't correct.

Damn Willie-boy, you are batting a thousand aren't you? Letting that
old ignorance just billow out where everyone can see it. "Wrong again
Willie" in all his glory.


Wrong. None of that will migrate out of a hull unless there are cracks or
holes. It will ONLY migrate out of cracks and holes and in areas where there
are no cracks and holes it will simple stay in the laminate during the
hose-down procedure. Only a moron with no imagination would believe
otherwise.

These sometimes migrate to the surface where exposure to air causes the
fluid to naturally cure.

Sometimes doesn't get it, pal!

But it doesn't go away.

Who gives a flying **** if the sticky chemicals in the layup go away. The
ONLY thing that matters is the water that, by osmosis, has combined with the
chemicals goes away. That can ONLY be accomplished by extensive drying in a
low-humidity environment. The water goes the chemicals that always were in
the layup remain. Coat the dry layup with a barrier coat and you end the
osmosis problem. WAKE THE **** UP, RUBE!

Willie-boy I certainly hope that no one takes you seriously as they
will spend a lot of money and get nowhere.

The only one who needs to wake up is Willie-boy. But unfortunately you
are one of those fools who confuse your preconceived notions with
facts and although proved wrong time after time never learn.

It just stays there alternately curing and softening with the changing
atmospheric conditions. On a rainy day, it will probably become nearly
fluid. After a few days of cool, dry weather it cures again.

Now, you are catching on. FINAL-****ING-LY! Like I said dry the damned
soggy laminate for two years in a low humidity environment. That's the only
real cure. Spraying with water is delusional and moronic.

Now that you know this gook is water soluble, you know how to get rid of
it. Yep, just take a hose and wash it away! But while the hull is wet, be
sure to give it about 30 minutes to completely dissolve.

But, MORON, it won't come out unless you give it a path to come out. Why
can't your cretins understand simple physics. Unless you drill millions of
small holes in the lamintate it won't come out to be washed off. How can
anybody be THIS FREAKING STUPID?

Now, go away and learn something about simple physics before you darken my
day again. You and all the other morons who are too stupid to understand how
you've been mislead by some new theory that simply doesn't stand up under
scrutiny.

Wilbur Hubbard

Err.... Willie-boy, I sure hate to wake you up but "osmosis" is not a
term used in physics. It is used in chemistry and biology.

As for new theory... It has been proved over and over that simply
drying a hull doesn't eliminate osmosis, thus the first change to
"peeling" a hull which is costly and still doesn't make the problem go
away. so your "facts" aren't even "yesterdays news" they are 40 or 50
year old theories that have long since been proved incorrect.

Your insistence that your antiqued ideas are correct is on a par with
the lads that calculated that the Bumblebee couldn't fly.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)