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how necessary is a windlass
Jessica B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be more than that... like this one. http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg Ok, current, so what about that? How would I know? I'm rude, remember? -- Richard Lamb |
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On 3/23/2011 12:54 AM, CaveLamb wrote:
Jessica B wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be more than that... like this one. http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg Ok, current, so what about that? How would I know? I'm rude, remember? Impossible to tell from that photo if the boat is making headway. Is the bimbo trying to make a point? |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:50:17 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... He's whining about your not trimming outdated and irrelevant material from your posts. That's why I called him a net nanny. Wilbur Hubbard Maybe he needs to take a chill pill. Yah, a six-pack of them. LOL! |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . . |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the teeth of a storm and could well founder. Wilbur Hubbard I'd love to hear the logic if he wants, but I guess he doesn't want. With Bruce, it's more a matter of lack than want. ROFLOL. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let that happen to us! Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on details later on when things become more concrete. Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly, noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place, empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours (equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS! Wilbur Hubbard Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute. Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO? Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water. They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the water. Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their* fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their throats cut. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:44:36 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:55:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: Much Bumph snipped Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast walker can "outrun" you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a skilled sailor use a motor appropriately? Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would like to take a look at the dictionary: Hypocrite: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives Or perhaps, to use the vernacular: Phoney: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:48:18 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard" made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles. 300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet. Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average. Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand. Wilbur Hubbard Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. Goodness Jessie, but you seem to be learning about boats. You are talking about boats designed with long overhangs, usually relics of an old racing rule system that penalized unduly long waterlines. Modern boats are designed with nearly vertical ends which benefit very little from being heeled. Another point is that boats sail fastest when vertical and heeling results in a less efficient hull form which theoretically is slower so speed under sail is very much a trade-off between caused by carrying a lot of sails and the angle of heel that is decreasing the hulls efficiency. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the teeth of a storm and could well founder. Wilbur Hubbard Ah, Willie-boy, the wonders of an active imagination. Just sitting there your yellow anchor buoy has morphed into a fast sailing boat. Amazing! Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:50:17 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... He's whining about your not trimming outdated and irrelevant material from your posts. That's why I called him a net nanny. Wilbur Hubbard Thus speaks the fart. Willy-boy I keep telling you that you flaunt your ignorance every time you open your mouth. Sadly you don't listen. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? The long overhangs was a relic of one of the old racing rules that penalized long waterlines. So, the crafty people built a boat with a very short waterline and sailed it heeled and had a effective waterline much longer then what was measured for handy cap rating. Current is only a real help in the few instances where it always runs the same way. The more usual conditions have it going one way for a half a day and the other way for the other half. Net help = Zero. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard I don't either... all that smell.. yuk! Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly, noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place, empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours (equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS! Wilbur Hubbard Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:59:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard" made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles. 300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet. Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average. Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand. Wilbur Hubbard Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. Ding, ding, ding!! You are correct, Jessica B (I guess the B stands for 'Brilliant'. But, it won't go up much as the multiplier is the square root of the extra distance. And, yes, currents can and do make a significant difference. Consider a sailboat with a theoretical hull speed of five knots sailing north in the axis of the Gulf Stream. Let's say it has a fair wind and is doing five knots through the water. Now, the current in the axis sets north about 3-4 knots so that boat sailing north could well have a speed over the ground of 8-9 knots and if this keeps up for 24 hours the benefit of the current is very apparent. So, unlike the motor heads who just plow through the water. willy-nilly, full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes, ignoring the affects of wind and current, a sailboat captain must be more aware and more intelligent of all factors affecting course made good. Wilbur Hubbard Thus speaks Capt. (outboard) Willie. Can anyone say Hypocrite? Or Phoney? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:54:10 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be more than that... like this one. http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg Ok, current, so what about that? How would I know? I'm rude, remember? I guess you don't. I thought you had a boat. I guess that must not actually be true. |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:08:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . . Yes... I wonder if that's all a couple of people here can manage? |
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let that happen to us! Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on details later on when things become more concrete. As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-) Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you later hopefullly with some more details. Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly, noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place, empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours (equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS! Wilbur Hubbard Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute. Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO? Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water. They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the water. Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their* fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their throats cut. Wilbur Hubbard I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:46:15 -0700, Jessica B
wrote: On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the teeth of a storm and could well founder. Wilbur Hubbard I'd love to hear the logic if he wants, but I guess he doesn't want. You are certainly correct that your boat will be in port before mine as your great voyage (documented with photos) is down the bay and back. The great Sailor - down the bay and back. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:08:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . . Yes... I wonder if that's all a couple of people here can manage? Like poor Bruce? LOL. He has to wait for the occasional Tsunami. Hey, I heard Thailand just had a 7.0 RS earthquake. I hope it didn't wreck Bruce's dock. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let that happen to us! Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on details later on when things become more concrete. As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-) Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you later hopefullly with some more details. JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-) snippage Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water. They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the water. Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their* fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their throats cut. I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story. Some humans are, I swear, sub-human. Even the animals they abuse are more evolved. |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:50:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:08:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message om You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . . Yes... I wonder if that's all a couple of people here can manage? Like poor Bruce? LOL. He has to wait for the occasional Tsunami. Hey, I heard Thailand just had a 7.0 RS earthquake. I hope it didn't wreck Bruce's dock. Wilbur Hubbard Willie-boy, you are positively amazing. To be frank I have never witnessed anyone, on any news group, who so positively lusted to expose his ignorance to so many, so often. Apparently you have Thailand mixed up with Japan as Thailand hasn't had a 7.0 earthquake in years. Myanmar (used to be called Burma) just had one that's effect carried over to Chiang Rai. Rather like an earthquake in East Overshoe, Vermont, and you prattling about "Big earthquake in America". As George Eliot once said, "blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us evidence of the fact." Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... snip Willy-boy I keep telling you that you flaunt your ignorance every time you open your mouth. Sadly you don't listen. A real sailor such as myself has learned to ignore the squeakings and droppings of a dock rat. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:50:05 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:08:50 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message m You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. Just like Tom Sawyer going down the Mississippi . . . Yes... I wonder if that's all a couple of people here can manage? Like poor Bruce? LOL. He has to wait for the occasional Tsunami. Hey, I heard Thailand just had a 7.0 RS earthquake. I hope it didn't wreck Bruce's dock. Wilbur Hubbard Willie-boy, you are positively amazing. To be frank I have never witnessed anyone, on any news group, who so positively lusted to expose his ignorance to so many, so often. Apparently you have Thailand mixed up with Japan as Thailand hasn't had a 7.0 earthquake in years. Myanmar (used to be called Burma) just had one that's effect carried over to Chiang Rai. Rather like an earthquake in East Overshoe, Vermont, and you prattling about "Big earthquake in America". As George Eliot once said, "blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us evidence of the fact." Wake up, Bruce! http://news.lalate.com/2011/03/24/my...ross-thailand/ Poor Bruce can't win for losing! Wilbur Hubbard - always knows of which he speaks. |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... snippage Thus speaks Capt. (outboard) Willie. Can anyone say Hypocrite? Or Phoney? I'm sure your wife, children and grandchildren all use the words frequently when they talk about you. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:08:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Pssst! Bruce is clearly delusional. Either that, or he smokes a lot of those excellent Thai sticks. Waaaky tabaaacy LOL If I were Bruce, I'd probably do the same thing. Get stoned all the time to try to forget my failure to complete a circumnavigation and ending up stuck in a third-world backwater being a hen-pecked hubby. snicker Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a skilled sailor use a motor appropriately? Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would like to take a look at the dictionary: Hypocrite: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives Or perhaps, to use the vernacular: Phoney: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives If you knew how to use a dictionary, Bruce, you wouldn't have misspelled 'phony.' SMACKDOWN! Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: snip While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. Of course it is O.K. after all, it is Willie-Boy Hubbard (the armchair sailor) who is doing it. (If it were you THEN it would be pollution) Since when has it become illegal to feed the fish, snails, crabs, etc.? Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard And so speaks Willie-Boy the armchair sailor - (wonder what he has been reading this week?) And, as usual, full of it, right up to his brown eyes. Firstly a marine diesel is not more likely to "spew huge amounts of air pollution" then any other engine. Probably even less harmful pollution then Willie-boy's frequently mentioned Van (where he hand washes his shorts). Wrong! Diesels are very high compression engines. This means they intake big doses of air and exhaust the same mixed with burned and partially burned diesel fumes along with huge amounts of CO2, some CO and plenty of NO. IOW POLLUTION in large volumes. It is an obvious lie when Willie-boy says that "I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence". His posts to this group alone demonstrate that he feels that HIS fun takes precedence. How is it my lifestyle is now defined as 'fun?' It just so happens that I take my sailing life seriously. Calling sailing 'fun' makes light of the fact that it is a serious pursuit which, when done right, can be said to be challenging and enjoyable but calling it 'fun' marginalizes the importance of taking it seriously. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... snip Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences. Like when you bore us with descriptions of your wife, children and grandchildren, Grandpa? ROFLOL! Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snippage I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under sail if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they never learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would discover that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced sailplan than under engine power alone. I'd imagine that if the sailor is experienced in anchoring when sailing that it wouldn't matter if there were rocks or other boats around. I don't think I could do it, but .... You could do it, Jessica, once you familiarized yourself with the characteristics and handling of your sailboat, the ground tackle, bottom conditions and wind/current. Like anything else it just takes some experience and some understanding of how things work. With your analytical mind, you'd be anchoring under sail with the best of them in no time. It's more about finesse than muscle. Even a big strong man simply cannot muscle a four-ton sailboat into place. On the contrary, one must know what the boat is going to do and let the boat do it in the direction and velocity one desires. A sailboat is like a woman. You gotta let her do what she wants but you have to know what she wants to do and then everything goes as expected. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:57:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . snip Willy-boy I keep telling you that you flaunt your ignorance every time you open your mouth. Sadly you don't listen. A real sailor such as myself has learned to ignore the squeakings and droppings of a dock rat. Wilbur Hubbard And as Gorge Eliot once said, "blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us evidence of the fact." When will you ever learn Willie-boy? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
how necessary is a windlass
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:14:58 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard And so speaks Willie-Boy the armchair sailor - (wonder what he has been reading this week?) And, as usual, full of it, right up to his brown eyes. Firstly a marine diesel is not more likely to "spew huge amounts of air pollution" then any other engine. Probably even less harmful pollution then Willie-boy's frequently mentioned Van (where he hand washes his shorts). Wrong! Diesels are very high compression engines. This means they intake big doses of air and exhaust the same mixed with burned and partially burned diesel fumes along with huge amounts of CO2, some CO and plenty of NO. IOW POLLUTION in large volumes. Willie, what has gotten into you? the amount of air that an engine "intake" is dependant on two things. One, the displacement of the engine and, two, whether the engine is supercharged. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the compression ratio. Secondly, as a diesel engine's speed is governed by the quantity of fuel consumed its exhaust, while running in a steady state, contains far less partially burned hydro-carbons then a gasoline engine under the same conditions, since only the minimum quantity of fuel necessary for the engine to operate at the intended load and RPM is injected. And yet again (yawn) Willie-boy proves to the world his remarkable lack of knowledge if what he is talking about. It is an obvious lie when Willie-boy says that "I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence". His posts to this group alone demonstrate that he feels that HIS fun takes precedence. How is it my lifestyle is now defined as 'fun?' It just so happens that I take my sailing life seriously. Calling sailing 'fun' makes light of the fact that it is a serious pursuit which, when done right, can be said to be challenging and enjoyable but calling it 'fun' marginalizes the importance of taking it seriously. Wilbur Hubbard Goodness Willie-boy, what a bunch of bumph. You take you sailing life seriously? A joke, right? You don't make a living with a boat you just fool about with one on weekends. What else would one call it? Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:02:14 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . snippage Thus speaks Capt. (outboard) Willie. Can anyone say Hypocrite? Or Phoney? I'm sure your wife, children and grandchildren all use the words frequently when they talk about you. LOL! Wilbur Hubbard Why would they? they aren't talking about you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:09:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message om... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a skilled sailor use a motor appropriately? Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would like to take a look at the dictionary: Hypocrite: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives Or perhaps, to use the vernacular: Phoney: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives If you knew how to use a dictionary, Bruce, you wouldn't have misspelled 'phony.' SMACKDOWN! Wilbur Hubbard A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract from the dictionary below: phoney ~ noun very rare 1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives phoney ~ adj very rare 1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how ignorant you are. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
how necessary is a windlass
On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:16:36 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . snip Oh Willie-boy, such an exciting description, but I thought this was a cruising group... Oh,I see. One who doesn't sail can't be a cruiser and is left little choice but to describe his shore side experiences. Like when you bore us with descriptions of your wife, children and grandchildren, Grandpa? ROFLOL! Wilbur Hubbard Nice one Willie-boy, but again you exhibit your ignorance as I have never described my wife, children or grand kids. Must be like the Thai Sticks and Phoney, an American affection, as I have only mentioned my family in passing, no description or details at all.. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:39:14 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? The long overhangs was a relic of one of the old racing rules that penalized long waterlines. So, the crafty people built a boat with a very short waterline and sailed it heeled and had a effective waterline much longer then what was measured for handy cap rating. Current is only a real help in the few instances where it always runs the same way. The more usual conditions have it going one way for a half a day and the other way for the other half. Net help = Zero. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) At first someone claimed that the waterline difference would be tiny. I found to be what seems a recent photo where that's not the case, and now you're claiming it's a relic? I don't get that. Either it can be a factor or it can't be. Yes, I get that current is only a real help in a few instances. What about the gulf stream example? I don't think that changes direction does it? |
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On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:39:13 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:44:36 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:55:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: Much Bumph snipped Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. Sorry, I was trying to explain why it is illogical to attempt to outrun weather patterns in a vehicle that thunders through the waves at 5 miles an hour - A kid on a Huffy can outrun you. Sheehs, a fast walker can "outrun" you. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't say out run anything. I thought we were talking about the difference between 5mph and 7mph over a distance. That's a significant time difference over a longish distance. |
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 05:57:04 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:09:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:57:10 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message news:mu57o6p2qp9pa7roie5hnid4j6v0l6iqbo@4ax. com... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? At best it is rationalization. for one who frequently extols his great skill in pure sailing to be found out to have a (Ugh) motor and to admit that he uses it appropriately... How can one who is such a skilled sailor use a motor appropriately? Given that, they say, life is a learning process, perhaps you would like to take a look at the dictionary: Hypocrite: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives Or perhaps, to use the vernacular: Phoney: A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives If you knew how to use a dictionary, Bruce, you wouldn't have misspelled 'phony.' SMACKDOWN! Wilbur Hubbard A beautiful try Willie-boy; unfortunately you missed it. You 'mericans are not the final arbitrator of the English language. See the extract from the dictionary below: phoney ~ noun very rare 1. a person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives phoney ~ adj very rare 1. fraudulent; having a misleading appearance As I said, if you keep your mouth shut nobody will ever notice how ignorant you are. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) That seems pretty desperate. You should admit when you're wrong about something especially if it's a small thing. |
how necessary is a windlass
On Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:59:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:20:47 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snip Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let that happen to us! Rest assured, I will find us a nice quiet anchorage all of our own with no motorboats within miles. I got your email that you will be working on details later on when things become more concrete. As my brother would say, "Bitchin!" :-) Neither of us are interested in motor smell. I'm going to email you later hopefullly with some more details. JMB just e-mailed me. She sounds like an organized person and a go-getter. I CC'd you my reply to her. Things are looking good. She's got some firm dates in mind so check your inbox. Sounds like she's planning to rent a car at the airport so you two should coordinate your flights if you can so you can ride together. It sure would save me time going back and forth twice to the airport. In exchange I've offered to get you guys a room while you're here so you can have all the luxuries you're used to and a safe place for your luggage. Sounds like a deal to me. ;-) You're an EXCELLENT person! I promise to be better about email and such. I've just been swamped with job and personal stuff. Yup, land lubbers are mostly what one sees these days out here on the water. They are like cockroaches - you can't stamp them out. I just wish they would stay ashore where they belong. They have no respect for anything. They use the water as their 'getaway' and they think their 'fun' comes first over the RIGHTS of others. Such a selfish attitude and totally out of place on the water. Here is a good example for you of just how awful some of these jerks really are. Two fishermen were arrested a few months ago for cutting the pouch of a couple of pelicans because they claimed the pelicans were eating *their* fish. Duh. I would say the fishermen where catching and eating the pelican's fish. A cut pouch causes the pelican to slowly starve to death because when they dive on a fish the pouch doesn't contain it. The fish escapes out the slit in the pouch. Maybe the fishermen are the ones who needed their throats cut. I don't see how anyone could be so cruel. That's really a sad story. Some humans are, I swear, sub-human. Even the animals they abuse are more evolved. |
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On Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:23:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: snippage I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under sail if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they never learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would discover that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced sailplan than under engine power alone. I'd imagine that if the sailor is experienced in anchoring when sailing that it wouldn't matter if there were rocks or other boats around. I don't think I could do it, but .... You could do it, Jessica, once you familiarized yourself with the characteristics and handling of your sailboat, the ground tackle, bottom conditions and wind/current. Like anything else it just takes some experience and some understanding of how things work. With your analytical mind, you'd be anchoring under sail with the best of them in no time. It's more about finesse than muscle. Even a big strong man simply cannot muscle a four-ton sailboat into place. On the contrary, one must know what the boat is going to do and let the boat do it in the direction and velocity one desires. A sailboat is like a woman. You gotta let her do what she wants but you have to know what she wants to do and then everything goes as expected. Wilbur Hubbard I hope we're going to get a lesson! I'm up for it if you have a pair of gloves I can use. I've gotta get to the gym. Then, I'll email you more, but let me know you got the last one!! |
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