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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:
While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. |
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On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Ewwww......... |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Ernie" wrote in message
... On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Ewwww......... Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL! I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs of the occupants end up polluted with it. Get a clue you two. Wilbur Hubbard |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Funny, it looked like a small horsepower Japanese four stroke outboard to me. You boys just can't give it a rest, can you? |
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On 3/18/2011 1:53 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
wrote in message ... On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Ewwww......... Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL! I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs of the occupants end up polluted with it. Get a clue you two. Wilbur Hubbard Wilbur you are a pig. No, I take that back. Pigs are cleaner than you. |
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"Harryk" wrote in message
... Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Funny, it looked like a small horsepower Japanese four stroke outboard to me. You boys just can't give it a rest, can you? Can you say, "MORONS?" http://www.onlineoutboards.com/Tohat...p-MFS6BUL.html Wilbur Hubbard |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:19:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... snip OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Depends on the seaworthiness of the boat. Any size boat can be seaworthy as long as it is built stoutly and has a crew that knows how to handle her in a blow. A ships life boat is a good example. The ship founders in a storm and the crew takes to the life boats which are very small in comparison and expects to survive the storm conditions in them. Sometimes small is better. snip I believe you. I just thought this was about sailing not using an engine. What about on a slightly longer trip.. wouldn't you want to use sail power as much as you can, so you don't run out? One would think so, but . . . Most of the people posting here NEVER sailed a boat that didn't have an engine. An engine on a sailboat is supposed to be an auxiliary which means a secondary means of power. Sadly, most of the Rubes here run their diesels even when the sails are up. And should the wind die and they can't do hull speed, they 'supplement' the sails with the diesel. It's shameful! Why don't people like that just admit to themselves that they are not interested in sailing and just sell the poor sailboat to somebody who would appreciate it for what it was designed to do and buy a motorboat such as a trawler? Wilbur Hubbard Engineless boats? And who was it searching for the cheapest outboard he could find, and has posted pictures of his yellow anchor buoy with the outboard attached? Why, it was Willie-boy, the armchair sailor who must have been reading The Pardys this week. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Balls. Remember the punch line? You get dirty - and the pig loves it? |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard And so speaks Willie-Boy the armchair sailor - (wonder what he has been reading this week?) And, as usual, full of it, right up to his brown eyes. Firstly a marine diesel is not more likely to "spew huge amounts of air pollution" then any other engine. Probably even less harmful pollution then Willie-boy's frequently mentioned Van (where he hand washes his shorts). It is an obvious lie when Willie-boy says that "I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence". His posts to this group alone demonstrate that he feels that HIS fun takes precedence. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote:
On 3/18/2011 1:19 PM, Wilbur Hubbard wrote: wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. Of course it is O.K. after all, it is Willie-Boy Hubbard (the armchair sailor) who is doing it. (If it were you THEN it would be pollution) Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:53:18 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Ernie" wrote in message ... On 3/18/2011 1:36 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. Ewwww......... Two equally ignorant Rubes speculating and getting it wrong. LOL! I guess you two are just too environmentally irresponsible to learn how to sail and to enjoy the benefits of sail over motor in a recreational capacity when it comes to the environment. And, you are the ones most hurt by your own pollution machines - you breathe it abundantly when underway as in any trawler the exhaust swirls around the transom and gets drawn forward into the accommodation where the entire boat reeks of diesel fumes and the lungs of the occupants end up polluted with it. Get a clue you two. Wilbur Hubbard Which doesn't answer the question, "If Willlie-boy is such a sailor what is he doing with an outboard lashed to the transom of HIS boat? Oh, by the way Willie, how would you know about fumes swirling around the transom and being drawn into the boat? Oh, yes... must have read it inna book. It certainly sounds like Lynn Pardy's kind of story. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 06:55:15 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:46:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:58:29 -0700, Jessica B wrote: On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 06:05:28 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:10:35 -0800, Jessica B wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2011 05:36:23 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:39:11 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message news:9mqin6hvnl13a7irpbmqh0f221sq0419qe@4a x.com... On Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:39:40 -0800, Mark Borgerson wrote: In article s.com, says... "Bruce" wrote in message ... On Wed, 09 Mar 2011 08:18:02 -0500, Gogarty wrote: In article , says... On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:37:19 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message m... snip Willie-boy, I keep telling you and telling you that you exhibit your lack of knowledge every time you open your mouth. My mate, the Australian, is 76 years old and sails a 55 ft Ferro boat with a mechanical anchor windless and gets along quite well single handing it. Of course, he IS a sailor, not a wantabe. Cheers, Nothing looks quite a silly as an old man with skinny arms off of which the skin hangs in folds standing on the bow of an overly large and cumbersome yacht pulling on the lever of a creaky old mechanical windlass, slowly stroking away with one inch of chain coming in at a pull. If that isn't a good enough argument for downsizing then nothing will convince you. Just goes to show you how little some people know about boats. People who sail 50' ferro boats don't have an expensive lever operated Simpson Lawrence winch. they have a geared two speed, local made, fisherman windlass. the one with the exposed gears. See http://motivationdocksupply.com/winc...nd-winches.php for an example. Wow! I will recommend those windlasses to my freind with the Endeavour 42. Well... an Endeavour 42 IS a bit more upmarket then a ferrocement boat, usually :-) Those things are so S-L-O-W! (and ugly) S-L-O-W and ugly are relative. Are you in such a big hurry that the difference between 4Kt and 6Kt makea a big difference? Mark Borgerson I just did a simple calculation... say you wanted to go 1000 miles, 1000m/6mph = 7 days vs. 1000m/4mph = 10 days. This seems like a big difference to me, but what do I know. Right you are, Jessica. You sure have a good head on your shoulders (for a girl, LOL!) Often overlooked is the fact that the longer the voyage takes the greater the chances of experiencing storm conditions. If you have already arrived and are safe and secure in port while a slower boat is still two or three days from arriving that boat could get hit by severe weather in an exposed environment while the faster boat will not be exposed. That fact alone does not bode well for unnecessarily slow boats like the old Colin Archer heavy-displacement slowcoaches (Westsail 32, for example). The only thing that antique design has going for it is it's slow primarily because it was built in such a way as to be heavy and deep draft and short-sticked which allows it to better survive heavy weather. But, it's really kind of stupid in that the very slowness that allows it to survive heavy weather makes it that much more likely that it will be caught in heavy weather. Wilbur Hubbard And Willie the dummy is heard from again. You really aren't much of a cruiser are you? Worrying about your slow boat exposing you to a storm? Oh Vey, and such a brave sailor; you better stay home and read a book..... but of course that is what you do. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Bruce it seems like it would make it more difficult to get places if you have to go slowly. If there was a big storm coming in and it'll arrive in 10 days, you could still go if you know you can make it in 7, but if it's close to the limit on how long it'll take, then you'd have to sit and wait. I don't know how tight a schedule you can make, but I think I'd want more time vs less time. You really don't know much about sailing, do you. I thought I was Capt. Wil? If you 'knew' that there was a big storm coming in ten days it would have to be something pretty special as a depression which was called a 'storm' would have either worsened or decreased considerably in ten days and if it were severe enough to be called a storm then I suspect that any prudent sailor would wait it out. I'm going by what I see on accuweather.com. They predict out to 15 days. Obviously it's not totally accurate, but it seems like it would give you a good idea what's coming. Fine, if you are out for the day, but what about a cruise, say from San Diego to the Hawaiian Islands; or Singapore to India? A proper voyage, one might say. Don't know about sailing across an ocean... why would anyone want to do that on a slow boat? Seems like that would be when you want a fast boat (or a plane?) lol Because all sailboats, at least those that are of a size that Mr. Average can own, are inherently slow. I previously posted you the hull speeds of various water lengths, and even those are higher speeds then the average speeds one is likely to encounter on a cruise of any length. Secondly if one were cruising any distance, say San Diego - Hawaii one has little chance to out run any weather pattern. Of course if one's "cruising' is a day trip down the bay it is a different story, isn't it. What about something shorter? How about a 6-day trip? Wouldn't you want to be able to get there and back without worrying so much? A six day trip to where? If it was a week "cruise" that I'm doing as my annual holiday then I'd want to laze along and take my time. If I have to lay over for weather then that's just the way it goes. If it were a six day cruise to get somewhere I really want to get to then it would depend on what was being forecast. But trying to sail in weather windows and never seeing a "storm" is pretty much wishful thinking. It seems like you're picking nits... I think you have a better chance of making a trip in one piece if you can shorten the travel time. Even if you want to "laze along" what if you need to step things up? Frankly the opposite is more the truth. It is a very large storm that is likely to overcome a normal sailing yacht so the "better chance" is more a matter of how comfortable one wants to be. Very, very, few yachts are actually sunk by storms. Even in the 1979 Fastnet disaster when 25 racing boats were sunk or disabled, was primarily a matter of attempting to race in force 6 - 7 winds. One of the rescue boats reported encountering a cruising boat on its way to the Med that was making reasonable progress under reefed sails with no difficulties. Just as a matter of idle interest a 10 ft. LWL boat has a hull speed of 4.24 K, 20 ft. = 5.99, 30 = 7.34 and 40=8.47 and given that most boats will be somewhat longer, on deck, then their water line, the speeds that you are envisaging to out run your storm are simply not there. Assuming a 40 ft. (LOD) boat probably has a LWL of about 30 ft. then it's probable maximum speed under sail is about 7.34. and 7.34 X 24 hours is abut 170 miles per day under perfect sailing conditions, a highly unlikely enough condition that, as I've said, makes a good brag in the pub. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Ok, but that wasn't what was being talked about. It was a comparison between two different speeds. I never said I don't think about out-running any storms. "Two different speeds" on a small sailing yacht may be the difference between 1 knot forward and two knots backward, depending on the tide. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard" made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles. 300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet. Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average. Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand. Wilbur Hubbard Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. |
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On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:16:27 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Dear Jessibur B Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear? Robert Pennington Rexroth My experience is that you're a vulgar person. |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:11:20 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Dear Jessibur B Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear? Robert Pennington Rexroth Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I have to agree with her. Take a hike, Neanderthal! Wilbur Hubbard Thank you! |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:56:45 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... On Mar 17, 10:11 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Dear Jessibur B Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear? Robert Pennington Rexroth Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I have to agree with her. Take a hike, Neanderthal! Wilbur Hubbard :: Dear Wilbur, :: :: Your own insecurity about penis size is reflected in Jessibur/Willica :: personona. :: The thing many men dont want to know about is what women really thinnk :: when it comes to cock size. Size DOES matter to a woman its just that :: many woman will only admit it in very hushed conversations while :: others, more confident and disclosive, will openly declair that a big :: dick is a VERY interesting thing to contemplate... What an idiot you are Bob! You're treating Jessica like she's some kind of dumb bimbo and that's the very thing she hates the most. Get a clue. Pay particular attention to the part not wanting to meet airheads. LOL! From Jessica's MySpace page: About me: Single, White, Female, smart, sexy... Did I mention smart? Who I'd like to meet: No, I don't want to meet you if you're a muscle boy, an airhead, or you just want to get laid. I'd like to meet someone who's polite, nice looking, funny. Say something funny, and at least you'll get my attention instead of a block. I'm still waiting for one actually funny or intelligent message... so far, it's "you're cute" (so?) or "wassup?" (that's all you have to say?) Where are the decent guys??? General Guys :) (no I don't want to see your penis). Things that are important! Reading! Being on the beach with a great book! Music Classic rock, Class jazz, Classic classical Movies You're not going to like it... I like old movies. Casablanca, The Maltese Falcon, anything Bogart. Television Don't watch much... :: Jessica apears to be a confident capable character.... therefore she :: would be very open to a big cock. But there are regional valuse that :: prohibit proper ladies from discussion such matters in an open :: forum,,,,, but when behind closed doors with a trusted girlfriend the :: subtle cues of interest are obvious to those who care to take time and :: hear. Read the part where she says she's smart (twice). She's way out of your league, dummy! :: My dear will bur, writing for a characte is a very dificult task :: requiring a significan writing skills. A skills you are still :: developing. The author must truely "become" the other person and that :: is near impossible for you... Why? becaure you are an ill educated, :: old white typical conservative male. Its not in your nature and you :: lack the skills to actually want to learn about someone else. in other :: words you can not walk a mile, let alone a few feet, in another :: persons (notice i didnot use MAN'S) shoes. Christ man.... just look :: what youve been doing here for so many years.... ranting venting :: spewing, in an effort to show case your maritime knowledge BUT seldom :: do I see any efort on your part to ask questions, seek information, :: use those communication skills necessary to understand and learn from :: another person. My dear sir yuo will never have a healty relationship :: with another person because it is all about Willbur. Says the moron who is too dumb to understand that Jessica B is a real girl, not some sock puppet of mine. As for my seeking information and asking quesions about sailing, I'll do that if and when somebody shows up around here who is more experienced and knowlegeable - which will be a long time coming. I am more in my element teaching than asking questions. Somebody has got to push back all this liberal, feel good crap that has resulted in a slovenly and irresponsible attitude toward sailing. :: I emagin you were a single child maybe you had siblings but they were :: much older than you or you were the "golden child" the spoiled :: favorite. You were raised with a sense that you could do what you :: wanted and that you were always right. You were also most likly one of :: those bright nurdy kids in grade school. Smart but not popular and :: when you graduated fro HS didnt attend college or if you did never :: finished. That is why you are such a verbos know-it-all here..... THis :: is your stage to scream: I AM WILLBUR! I AM SMARTER THAN YOU! Yup, u :: got lots of frustration willbur. It must be a terible feeling :: beleiving you are smarter thatn everyone else but no way to prove it :: and no one to listen............................... except here :: :( LOL! Wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong. Boy, are you dumb. Did it ever occur to you that it is your stupidity that makes others who are intelligent appear to "know it all?" Wilbur Hubbard The kind of language he used would be grounds for an immediate block on myspace. |
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On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:19:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . snip OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Depends on the seaworthiness of the boat. Any size boat can be seaworthy as long as it is built stoutly and has a crew that knows how to handle her in a blow. A ships life boat is a good example. The ship founders in a storm and the crew takes to the life boats which are very small in comparison and expects to survive the storm conditions in them. Sometimes small is better. Ok. That makes sense. I read somewhere about big ships breaking up because the weight of the boat is suspended between waves. snip I believe you. I just thought this was about sailing not using an engine. What about on a slightly longer trip.. wouldn't you want to use sail power as much as you can, so you don't run out? One would think so, but . . . Most of the people posting here NEVER sailed a boat that didn't have an engine. An engine on a sailboat is supposed to be an auxiliary which means a secondary means of power. Sadly, most of the Rubes here run their diesels even when the sails are up. And should the wind die and they can't do hull speed, they 'supplement' the sails with the diesel. It's shameful! Why don't people like that just admit to themselves that they are not interested in sailing and just sell the poor sailboat to somebody who would appreciate it for what it was designed to do and buy a motorboat such as a trawler? Wilbur Hubbard That's what my friend with the Catalina said... an auxiliary powered vessel... right when he started the engine! :) |
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On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard I don't either... all that smell.. yuk! |
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On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? |
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Jessica B wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... Nothing really. Just a lot of bandwidth consumed on tiny farts... -- Richard Lamb |
how necessary is a windlass
Jessica B wrote:
Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? -- Richard Lamb |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... He's whining about your not trimming outdated and irrelevant material from your posts. That's why I called him a net nanny. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard" made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles. 300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet. Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average. Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand. Wilbur Hubbard Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. Ding, ding, ding!! You are correct, Jessica B (I guess the B stands for 'Brilliant'. But, it won't go up much as the multiplier is the square root of the extra distance. And, yes, currents can and do make a significant difference. Consider a sailboat with a theoretical hull speed of five knots sailing north in the axis of the Gulf Stream. Let's say it has a fair wind and is doing five knots through the water. Now, the current in the axis sets north about 3-4 knots so that boat sailing north could well have a speed over the ground of 8-9 knots and if this keeps up for 24 hours the benefit of the current is very apparent. So, unlike the motor heads who just plow through the water. willy-nilly, full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes, ignoring the affects of wind and current, a sailboat captain must be more aware and more intelligent of all factors affecting course made good. Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the teeth of a storm and could well founder. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Jessica B" wrote in message
... snip The kind of language he used would be grounds for an immediate block on myspace. And, an immediate wash out of his mouth with a bar of soap if I ever got my hands on the little boy. ;-) Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? Pssst! Bruce is clearly delusional. Either that, or he smokes a lot of those excellent Thai sticks. Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message . .. On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard I don't either... all that smell.. yuk! Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly, noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place, empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours (equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS! Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:19:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message . .. snip OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Depends on the seaworthiness of the boat. Any size boat can be seaworthy as long as it is built stoutly and has a crew that knows how to handle her in a blow. A ships life boat is a good example. The ship founders in a storm and the crew takes to the life boats which are very small in comparison and expects to survive the storm conditions in them. Sometimes small is better. Ok. That makes sense. I read somewhere about big ships breaking up because the weight of the boat is suspended between waves. It can happen! Seas that can destroy a ship often succour a disgarded light bult. snip I believe you. I just thought this was about sailing not using an engine. What about on a slightly longer trip.. wouldn't you want to use sail power as much as you can, so you don't run out? One would think so, but . . . Most of the people posting here NEVER sailed a boat that didn't have an engine. An engine on a sailboat is supposed to be an auxiliary which means a secondary means of power. Sadly, most of the Rubes here run their diesels even when the sails are up. And should the wind die and they can't do hull speed, they 'supplement' the sails with the diesel. It's shameful! Why don't people like that just admit to themselves that they are not interested in sailing and just sell the poor sailboat to somebody who would appreciate it for what it was designed to do and buy a motorboat such as a trawler? That's what my friend with the Catalina said... an auxiliary powered vessel... right when he started the engine! :) I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under sail if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they never learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would discover that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced sailplan than under engine power alone. Wilbur Hubbard |
how necessary is a windlass
"Jessica B" wrote in message
... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:11:20 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bob" wrote in message ... OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Dear Jessibur B Your a woman think of it in terms of a cock; really small going fast or bigger and faster. What has your experince been my dear? Robert Pennington Rexroth Jessica thinks that men who talk about cock size are not very evolved. I have to agree with her. Take a hike, Neanderthal! Wilbur Hubbard Thank you! You're most welcome, milady. ;-) Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:45:44 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... Nothing really. Just a lot of bandwidth consumed on tiny farts... You're rude and it's uncalled for. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:50:17 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... He's whining about your not trimming outdated and irrelevant material from your posts. That's why I called him a net nanny. Wilbur Hubbard Maybe he needs to take a chill pill. |
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On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:35:30 -0500, CaveLamb
wrote: Jessica B wrote: Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. But how MUCH longer does the waterline get? Seldom more than a few inches at most. As for the other, it's called current. And if you are going against it, slower than the current is running, you go backwards... What fun, huh? Well, I looked at some pictures, and it seems to me that it would be more than that... like this one. http://www.xsracing.org/images/home/8113.jpg Ok, current, so what about that? |
how necessary is a windlass
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:59:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:07:57 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:02:48 -0700, Jessica B wrote: snip Ok... so if you have boat that'll go 10 mph and the reverse tide is pulling you at 5 mph vs. you have a boat that'll only go 5 mph.... You are still looking at speeds in excess of what the "normal" cruising boat is capable of sustaining for any cruise. No Jessica is NOT. For example, my fast, blue water yacht, "Cut the Mustard" made a passage from Mobile Bay to Egmont Key (Tampa Bay). The time from sea buoy to sea buoy was 36 hours. The distance was 300 miles. 300 divided by 36 = 8.3 mph average! The LWL of my fine yacht is 22 feet. Theoretical hull speed is only about seven knots. But, as you can see, the theory doesn't always describe fact. So, Jessica is not talking speeds in excess of normal. If my small yacht can average 8.3mph then imagine the speeds a fast sailing yacht with a LWL of forty feet could average. Now, Bruce, if you had ever sailed a real fast cruising boat and not that big fat rotten old tub you live at the dock in you might have gotten around the world in half the time it took you just to get to Thailand. Wilbur Hubbard Hmmm... well, I looked up theoretical boat speed... 1.34 x the root of LWL. But, I read that when the boat leans (heels) then the LWL would get longer, so the theoretical speed would go up right? Also, what about the water moving. If it's going in the same direction, then that would decrease the time you spend traveling. Ding, ding, ding!! You are correct, Jessica B (I guess the B stands for 'Brilliant'. But, it won't go up much as the multiplier is the square root of the extra distance. I have a Brit friend who says that all the time when he thinks something is great. I love that word. And, yes, currents can and do make a significant difference. Consider a sailboat with a theoretical hull speed of five knots sailing north in the axis of the Gulf Stream. Let's say it has a fair wind and is doing five knots through the water. Now, the current in the axis sets north about 3-4 knots so that boat sailing north could well have a speed over the ground of 8-9 knots and if this keeps up for 24 hours the benefit of the current is very apparent. So, unlike the motor heads who just plow through the water. willy-nilly, full speed ahead and damn the torpedoes, ignoring the affects of wind and current, a sailboat captain must be more aware and more intelligent of all factors affecting course made good. Wilbur Hubbard You could just drop your sail and you'd still be going. That's cool. |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:03:25 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . trimmed all of Bruce's gibberish I can't imagine that having a good boat and proceeding at as fast as possible to avoid bad weather would somehow be more dangerous. Sorry, but I just don't understand the logic. You don't understand it because it's ignorance that resides behind Bruce's misconceptions. It's the old justification those who sail slowcoaches use so they don't become upset at how they bought the wrong boat that is actually less safe because it won't get out of its own way. While a fast boat like mine is safe in a protected harbor a slowcoach like Bruce's will be in the teeth of a storm and could well founder. Wilbur Hubbard I'd love to hear the logic if he wants, but I guess he doesn't want. |
how necessary is a windlass
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:08:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:20:53 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:47:56 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message m... On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:47 -0400, Ernie wrote: While you're on the subject of ecology Wilbur, would you mind telling us why you think dumping your pee and turds into coastal waters is OK. I believe he has a 2 cycle outboard also, talk about oil in the water. The Tohatsu 6HP is a four-stroke motor and meets Ultra Low emission standards. Not only that, but it is rarely used - unlike your diesel boat which uses the engine every time it gets underway. My sailing yacht moves about 98% of the time under sail. Your diesel boat moves 100% of the time under the pollution-making diesel. You should be ashamed of yourself. And, probably even when you're not underway, you're running a diesel powered generator. So, in effect, you pollute 24/7 when you're out cruising. So, stop trying to change the subject. Just admit your irresponsible and selfish attitude concerning your willingness to pollute the very air we breathe just because you honestly feel your recreation is more important than our health. Wilbur Hubbard Ah Willie-boy but you are rationalizing your need for a motor, aren't you. A famous (armchair) sailor like you admitting that he needs a motor. I'm ashamed of you. Better read another book to teach you how to sail without a motor and then you can be 100%. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) I didn't see him rationalizing anything like that. He said he uses it rarely and appropriately. How is that a rationalization? Pssst! Bruce is clearly delusional. Either that, or he smokes a lot of those excellent Thai sticks. Wilbur Hubbard Waaaky tabaaacy LOL |
how necessary is a windlass
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:20:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:19:55 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:38:06 -0700, Mark Borgerson wrote: However, part of the problem in that conversion is that you can get a 36' sailboat in decent condition for about half the cost of a 36' trawler. Considering that the trawler probably has more than twice as much livable space and a lot more comfortable, not such a bad deal. :-) It's a bad deal for the environment as marine diesel engines are notorious for the huge amounts of air pollution they spew. And, they drip oil and fuel and foul the bilges which foul bilge water and fuel dregs are then pumped into the water. I never could understand how anybody in their right mind could be justified in thinking that their fun takes precedence over folks who wish to breathe clean air. It's such a me me me, selfish attitude. It reeks of elitism and hypocrisy. Really, it's no different than Al Gore flying all over the glove in his private jet then complaining about how much pollution and CO2 other people are responsible for. Yah, right! Wilbur Hubbard I don't either... all that smell.. yuk! Motor-head boaters seem to become immune to their own noise and air pollution. I guess they smell the exhaust fumes and hear the cacophony so often and so long that their sense of smell and their hearing modifies so they can't smell or hear it anymore. Why else would some of them be so rude as to arrive in an anchorage and anchor UPWIND of everybody and then run a smelly diesel generator all day and all night just so they can have plenty of electricity for all the household crap they have on board. I just wish people like that would STAY home. What's the use of sailing when you float the farm, so to speak? You ruin the experience for most of the other travelers and are too selfish to understand what you're doing? I'm hoping that if (when?) we work out the details, you wouldn't let that happen to us! Take an example a lubber might understand. A lubber goes to a campground in a State Park and sets up his little tent in the woods and hopes to have a good time cooking over the campfire, perhaps catching a fish in the stream and enjoying the ambience. And, along comes a giant motor home that parks right upwind from his campsite, blocks most of the view, runs a smelly, noisy generator all night long, plays loud music, has a couple of dogs that bark all night, throws his trash and cigarette butts all over the place, empties his holding tank on the ground, disgorges a couple of motorbikes and blasts them, without mufflers, through the woods around and around for hours (equivalent to a jet-ski) etc. Would the tent camper want to shoot the inconsiderate *******? You bet he would. Yet motor boaters and some of the larger sail boaters seem to think this sort of crap is cool and other boaters will envy them and enjoy their presence. Freaking LUNATICS! Wilbur Hubbard Oh... land lubber. Ok... confused me for a minute. Exactly though... pick up your sh*t. I mean HELLO? |
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On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:25:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 13:19:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Jessica B" wrote in message ... snip OIC... well, I guess a really small boat going fast or slow wouldn't be as safe as a bigger boat in bad weather? Depends on the seaworthiness of the boat. Any size boat can be seaworthy as long as it is built stoutly and has a crew that knows how to handle her in a blow. A ships life boat is a good example. The ship founders in a storm and the crew takes to the life boats which are very small in comparison and expects to survive the storm conditions in them. Sometimes small is better. Ok. That makes sense. I read somewhere about big ships breaking up because the weight of the boat is suspended between waves. It can happen! Seas that can destroy a ship often succour a disgarded light bult. Ok, I don't understand past "often". :} snip I believe you. I just thought this was about sailing not using an engine. What about on a slightly longer trip.. wouldn't you want to use sail power as much as you can, so you don't run out? One would think so, but . . . Most of the people posting here NEVER sailed a boat that didn't have an engine. An engine on a sailboat is supposed to be an auxiliary which means a secondary means of power. Sadly, most of the Rubes here run their diesels even when the sails are up. And should the wind die and they can't do hull speed, they 'supplement' the sails with the diesel. It's shameful! Why don't people like that just admit to themselves that they are not interested in sailing and just sell the poor sailboat to somebody who would appreciate it for what it was designed to do and buy a motorboat such as a trawler? That's what my friend with the Catalina said... an auxiliary powered vessel... right when he started the engine! :) I've seen way more sailors who use their engine as a crutch in lieu of learning how to handle their boat under sail. I've even had some of the Rubes in this very group try to say it's irresponsible to anchor under sail if there are other boats anchored. They say such nonsense because they never learned how to anchor under sail and if they tried they would most likely ram somebody. If they weren't so inept or inexperienced they would discover that a sailboat has better steering functionality under a balanced sailplan than under engine power alone. Wilbur Hubbard I'd imagine that if the sailor is experienced in anchoring when sailing that it wouldn't matter if there were rocks or other boats around. I don't think I could do it, but .... |
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Jessica B wrote:
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:45:44 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: Jessica B wrote: On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:50:24 -0500, CaveLamb wrote: We have a winner, folks! 212 lines I have no idea what this means.... Nothing really. Just a lot of bandwidth consumed on tiny farts... You're rude and it's uncalled for. MOI??? You see me calling people names very often here? -- Richard Lamb |
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