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Perkins 4.108 deisel
Greetings,
We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts
wrote: Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J The Perkins 4-108 was common as dirt in its day and there should be no lack of parts even today. Some years ago I had occasion to overhaul a 4-107, the model that preceded the 4-108 and while it took a couple of days looking I found a stock of parts for that old engine. You should have no problem. Just as a warning. Perkins warns against using either or other "starting fluids" in these engines. I disregarded their warning which the result that a pre-combustion chamber was blown out of the head and into the cylinder damaging both the head and a piston and liner. Thus the overhaul I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
Try http://www.powerlinecomponents.com/
"jayhearts" wrote in message ... Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
Try http://www.powerlinecomponents.com/
"jayhearts" wrote in message ... Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J The Perkins 4-108 was common as dirt in its day and there should be no lack of parts even today. Some years ago I had occasion to overhaul a 4-107, the model that preceded the 4-108 and while it took a couple of days looking I found a stock of parts for that old engine. You should have no problem. Just as a warning. Perkins warns against using either or other "starting fluids" in these engines. I disregarded their warning which the result that a pre-combustion chamber was blown out of the head and into the cylinder damaging both the head and a piston and liner. Thus the overhaul I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) We got a 4-108, complete with even the wires and panel and a good transmission for $1500 in NC. The guy swapped it out for a Yanmar because his marina had a Yanmar dealer in it. The 4-108 ran perfectly, but we had to swap the transmission to the old one that's made to freewheel so we could use our shaft alternator to charge the batteries under sail. 25 amps is worth the effort. Unless it's below freezing, I cannot imagine having to preheat or use starting fluids on a Perky 4- 108. Something is wrong with one that won't start in summer at the first touch. It might have low compression from bad valves or worn rings or something wrong with the injection system. We've never preheated or sprayed fluid into even the old one that had tens of thousands of hours on it because the boat's previous owner thought it was a trawler with a tall antenna mast instead of a ketch. I thought I had the parts, service and overhaul manuals for it, somewhere on one of these drives, but my search for this thread only found the 4-154, Ford Lehman and Velvet drive manuals if anyone wants them in Zipped up PDF format. I can't find the 4-108 manuals anywhere here. Cap'n Geoffrey has them on his laptop as I put them there and may have erased them at home....which would be unusual. -- Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics... Larry |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 19:57:28 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J The Perkins 4-108 was common as dirt in its day and there should be no lack of parts even today. Some years ago I had occasion to overhaul a 4-107, the model that preceded the 4-108 and while it took a couple of days looking I found a stock of parts for that old engine. You should have no problem. Just as a warning. Perkins warns against using either or other "starting fluids" in these engines. I disregarded their warning which the result that a pre-combustion chamber was blown out of the head and into the cylinder damaging both the head and a piston and liner. Thus the overhaul I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) We got a 4-108, complete with even the wires and panel and a good transmission for $1500 in NC. The guy swapped it out for a Yanmar because his marina had a Yanmar dealer in it. The 4-108 ran perfectly, but we had to swap the transmission to the old one that's made to freewheel so we could use our shaft alternator to charge the batteries under sail. 25 amps is worth the effort. Unless it's below freezing, I cannot imagine having to preheat or use starting fluids on a Perky 4- 108. Something is wrong with one that won't start in summer at the first touch. It might have low compression from bad valves or worn rings or something wrong with the injection system. We've never preheated or sprayed fluid into even the old one that had tens of thousands of hours on it because the boat's previous owner thought it was a trawler with a tall antenna mast instead of a ketch. I thought I had the parts, service and overhaul manuals for it, somewhere on one of these drives, but my search for this thread only found the 4-154, Ford Lehman and Velvet drive manuals if anyone wants them in Zipped up PDF format. I can't find the 4-108 manuals anywhere here. Cap'n Geoffrey has them on his laptop as I put them there and may have erased them at home....which would be unusual. Is the 4-104 for a FORD Lehman or a PEUGOT-Lehman? I have two PEUGOT - Lehmans in a power boat which was sold to me as ford-Lehmans (and I believed). In reality it probably doesn't make much difference as parts are about equally difficult or easy to find for either, but I would like the parts manual if available. Regarding Transmissions, While the one I sold had what was apparently a US Navy Paragon hydraulic transmission and never gave problems, some of the installations do use some pretty small manual boxes. I strongly recommend adding a transmission cooler if possible, especially to the Hurst boxes as it will certainly extend the life of the box. Starting Fluid - well a sore subject to me especially as I used it because I was lazy. When doing any work that requires opening the high pressure side of the CAV fuel injection system it is a real bitch to get it bled. One technique I had previously used on other engines was to simply run them on starting fluid until it self-bled. Bad move in the Perkins. When bleeding the CAV systems the best technique (I now recommend) is to bleed the two screws on the fuel pump body and then open the injection lines at the injectors and open the throttle wide open. spin the engine with the starter until you see fuel squirting out all four injection lines. Close the throttle, tighten the injection lines and it should start. But even if it is a bit hard to start you won't blow a pre-combustion chamber down into the cylinder with all the expensive noises that result :-( Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Bad move in the Perkins. When installing the 4-108 in Geoff's ketch, the diesel mechanic brought out a can of spray and headed towards our Perky. I told him, "Spray that anywhere near that engine and we'll sue you for the damages." He ****ed and moaned at me but put it back in his kit. About 40 seconds of cranking and she roared to life without it...one cylinder at a time...(c;] This one feeds a hospital! Glad it's not MY hospital! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEzGZAMyTwM Caterpillar makes really rugged starter motors. -- Creationism is to science what storks are to obstetrics... Larry |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
On Jun 25, 8:35*pm, jayhearts wrote:
Greetings, * * *We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. *In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. *Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? *We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. *Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J You might find a manual helpful. See he http://www.endeavourowners.com/dscsn...p%20Manual.pdf :) |
Perkins 4.108 deisel
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Perkins 4.108 deisel
Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:35:45 -0700 (PDT), jayhearts wrote: Greetings, We've moved up from a Tartan 30 with an Atomic Four to a Gulfstar 41 CC Aux Ketch with long range cruising plans and a Perkins 4.108 deisel engine. In the Atomic Four world there is a vibrant aftermarket of parts and knowledge. Does anyone know if there is a similar source of information, parts and advice for our new old engine? We Homeport in the lower Hudson Valley, New York. Thanks for any advice, also welcome connection to other Gulfstar and or Ketch owners. Thanks, J The Perkins 4-108 was common as dirt in its day and there should be no lack of parts even today. Some years ago I had occasion to overhaul a 4-107, the model that preceded the 4-108 and while it took a couple of days looking I found a stock of parts for that old engine. You should have no problem. Just as a warning. Perkins warns against using either or other "starting fluids" in these engines. I disregarded their warning which the result that a pre-combustion chamber was blown out of the head and into the cylinder damaging both the head and a piston and liner. Thus the overhaul I mentioned above. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) We got a 4-108, complete with even the wires and panel and a good transmission for $1500 in NC. The guy swapped it out for a Yanmar because his marina had a Yanmar dealer in it. The 4-108 ran perfectly, but we had to swap the transmission to the old one that's made to freewheel so we could use our shaft alternator to charge the batteries under sail. 25 amps is worth the effort. Unless it's below freezing, I cannot imagine having to preheat or use starting fluids on a Perky 4- 108. Something is wrong with one that won't start in summer at the first touch. It might have low compression from bad valves or worn rings or something wrong with the injection system. We've never preheated or sprayed fluid into even the old one that had tens of thousands of hours on it because the boat's previous owner thought it was a trawler with a tall antenna mast instead of a ketch. I thought I had the parts, service and overhaul manuals for it, somewhere on one of these drives, but my search for this thread only found the 4-154, Ford Lehman and Velvet drive manuals if anyone wants them in Zipped up PDF format. I can't find the 4-108 manuals anywhere here. Cap'n Geoffrey has them on his laptop as I put them there and may have erased them at home....which would be unusual. Hi, Larry, I'd sure like a copy of the 4-154 manual. Email is my_first_name at wind-angel.com. Thanks, Jim. |
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