DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge and
experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey had too
much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can Google my
postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see where I made
that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl and
put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around the
world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on these
boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander must sleep,
etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be expected to
survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team, stupid weather
routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you.


Wilbur Hubbard

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
In article s.com,
llid says...
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge and
experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey had too
much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can Google my
postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see where I made
that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl
and
put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around the
world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on these
boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander must
sleep,
etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be expected to
survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team, stupid weather
routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you.


Wilbur Hubbard


How's your refrigerator?



What's that got to do with anything? BTW, it's been working just great
since I fixed the leak in the tubing behind the evaporator with electrical
tape.

Wilbur Hubbard

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

Gogarty wrote:
In article s.com,
llid says...
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge and
experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey had too
much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can Google my
postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see where I made
that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl and
put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around the
world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on these
boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander must sleep,
etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be expected to
survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team, stupid weather
routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you.


Wilbur Hubbard


How's your refrigerator?


I have to agree with WH on the poor choice of boats for this trip,
but then even the last young girl to go around got knocked down a few
times and she was in a much better boat for this type of trip.
Gordon

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Gordon" wrote in message
m...
Gogarty wrote:
In article s.com,
llid says...
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge
and experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey
had too much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can
Google my postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see
where I made that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl
and put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around
the world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on
these boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander
must sleep, etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be
expected to survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team,
stupid weather routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

How's your refrigerator?


I have to agree with WH on the poor choice of boats for this trip, but
then even the last young girl to go around got knocked down a few times
and she was in a much better boat for this type of trip.
Gordon

I won't agree with Wilburrr but I will with you. This was a point of
discussion when Abby first took off with a couple of us arguing that anyone,
especially without serious support, would be better off with a blue water
boat.

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Gordon" wrote in message
m...
Gogarty wrote:
In article s.com,
llid says...
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge
and experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey
had too much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can
Google my postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see
where I made that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl
and put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around
the world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on
these boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander
must sleep, etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be
expected to survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team,
stupid weather routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear
you.


Wilbur Hubbard

How's your refrigerator?


I have to agree with WH on the poor choice of boats for this trip, but
then even the last young girl to go around got knocked down a few times
and she was in a much better boat for this type of trip.
Gordon

I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his
circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going
wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.


The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in
properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of
which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers.

Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it
wasn't fun.

The boat was not
the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed.

She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give it
her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a
friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit.
Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home.

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote:



I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his
circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the
boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me
a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going
wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.


The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in
properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of
which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers.

Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it
wasn't fun.


The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a
circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked
out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a
good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that
caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a
Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different.
Lots of very bad decisions were made.

The boat was not
the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed.

She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give
it
her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a
friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit.
Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home.


That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads
because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while
blindfolded.






Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve a
lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to
succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give kudos
for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be giving
kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably.

The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team did
her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into La
Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't
anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and
figure amps required vs. amps available?

Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a
circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two electric
autopilots? What were they thinking?

Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the wintertime.
One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life
insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse me,
but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous
latitudes? Somebody is very confused.

If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and people
think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for
seamanship anymore.


Wilbur Hubbard

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge and
experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey had too
much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can Google my
postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see where I made
that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl and
put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around the
world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on these
boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander must sleep,
etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be expected to
survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team, stupid weather
routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you.


Wilbur Hubbard


If you are so smart, why aint you filthy rich ??? :)

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
...
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
It's good to hear that Abbey is alive, at least.

But, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say, "I told you so!"

My detractors, who disrespect my vast storehouse of sailing knowledge and
experience, attempted to pooh-pooh my earlier statement that Abbey had
too much boat and she'd probably end up being dismasted. Anybody can
Google my postings at the start of her hapless record attempt and see
where I made that statement.

You don't take a know-nothing, inexperienced, scatterbrained, teen girl
and put her entirely in charge of a forty-foot, fickle race boat around
the world and expect anything but trouble. Everybody knows the rigs on
these boats are too light and flimsy. Everybody knows a single-hander
must sleep, etc. where no eye is on the ship. The ship simply cannot be
expected to survive on her own. Stupid parents, stupid sailing team,
stupid weather routers, stupid, stupid, stupid.

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear
you.


Wilbur Hubbard
If you are so smart, why aint you filthy rich ??? :)




One can't be happy and carefree and filthy rich at the same time.


Wilbur Hubbard

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:28:40 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote:



I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his
circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the
boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took
me
a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going
wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.


The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in
properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of
which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers.

Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it
wasn't fun.


The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a
circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked
out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a
good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that
caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a
Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different.
Lots of very bad decisions were made.

The boat was not
the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed.

She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give
it
her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a
friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit.
Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home.


That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads
because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while
blindfolded.






Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve a
lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to
succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give kudos
for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be giving
kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably.

The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team did
her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into
La
Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't
anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and
figure amps required vs. amps available?

Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a
circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two
electric
autopilots? What were they thinking?

Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the wintertime.
One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life
insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse
me,
but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous
latitudes? Somebody is very confused.

If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and people
think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for
seamanship anymore.


Wilbur Hubbard


Most people who circumnavigate in a sailboat are interested in seeing
the world. Abby's over-riding desire was to set a record. And not a
record for doing something especially well. She wanted the record for
simply doing something at a younger age. When someone is considered
"good for their age", it's not always really intended as a compliment.
This escapade is in the same category as "balloon boy".

If she was truly interested in the circumnavigation itself, she would
have waited until conditions and timing were far better. She couldn't
wait, because then she wouldn't be the youngest. She was only
interested in the money she would make and the attention.




Agreed! And, look deeper. Who inculcated that warped, ego-centric attitude
into her at such a tender age?

Her parents, of course. Her parents are publicity whores living vicariously
through their kids. I see them as "Little Miss America" parents. What little
girl would even consider being Little Miss America on her own? What little
girl would have as her heart's desire trying to set the record for youngest
around on her own?

Sadly, she is no sailor. She's a cheap, little, publicity puppy bred by her
whore parents. Even had to have a pretend, open-forty, race boat of her own
to complete the fairy tale.

Wilbur Hubbard

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote:



I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his
circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the
boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took me
a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going
wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.


The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in
properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of
which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers.

Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and it
wasn't fun.


The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a
circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked
out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a
good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that
caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a
Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different.
Lots of very bad decisions were made.

Sure, going to add glass to the hull and build in some stringers and ribs?
Replace the rigging with over sized wire and fittings? Beef up the rudder
and maybe the steering system? Add some ballast to make the boat stiffer?
Hell, while we're at it why don't we stretch it a little to give it more
waterline?
You "can" make a parachute out of bedsheets too but anyone with an IQ over
40 probably wouldn't want to.
Why not just get a boat that's already fit for this duty?

The boat was not
the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed.

She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and give
it
her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half a
friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit.
Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home.


That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads
because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while
blindfolded.


I was being nice. Just like I'm being nice now.
My true and honest opinion is that anyone that would take a coastal cruiser
on an open ocean voyage must be counting on sunshine flowing out his/her ass
throughout the entire trip. The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no
probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my stupid
ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out.
The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and
unsuitable equipment. From the beginning this sounded more like reality tv
than a real no-**** serious trip. The parents should be coughing up the cost
of the rescue. I'm a big believer in being responsible for your actions.

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" skrev i melding
anews.com...
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 18:28:40 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:48:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote:



I just checked out what boat her brother had sailed on his
circumnavigation
and it was an Islander 36 with a 13,600 lb displacement and Abby's
"Wildeyes" displace 7,407 lbs.
Even though it's 4 feet longer than Zac's, it is literally half the
boat.
I used to work with a guy that said he "planned for success". It took
me
a
while to figure out that his planning was based on nothing ever going
wrong.
Poor, poor strategy.


The hull did not fail. People have circumnavigated sucessfully in
properly prepared and equipped Catalina 27's and Cal 33's, both of
which were obviously intended as coastal cruisers.

Not me brother. I've had my ass kicked thoroughly by mother ocean and
it
wasn't fun.


The point is, just about any boat can be set up to complete a
circumnavigation, and relatively safely. You can get your ass kicked
out there no matter how big or heavy your boat is. Have you taken a
good look at a mini-transat? Sunderland's boat was NOT the issue that
caused her to fail. If she did everything exactly the same but in a
Valiant 40, the results probably wouldn't have been much different.
Lots of very bad decisions were made.

The boat was not
the weakest link in this adventure, and was not what failed.

She deserves a lot of credit. She had the nads to get out there and
give
it
her best. Not many 16 yos have sailed that far by themselves (I'm half
a
friggin century and haven't!) and it's not like she just quit.
Guess we'll find out what happened when she gets home.


That's like saying someone deserves a lot of credit for having nads
because they walked across an 8 lane highway at night while
blindfolded.






Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve
a
lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to
succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give
kudos
for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be
giving
kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably.

The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team
did
her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into
La
Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't
anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and
figure amps required vs. amps available?

Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a
circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two
electric
autopilots? What were they thinking?

Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the
wintertime.
One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life
insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse
me,
but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous
latitudes? Somebody is very confused.

If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and
people
think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for
seamanship anymore.


Wilbur Hubbard


Most people who circumnavigate in a sailboat are interested in seeing
the world. Abby's over-riding desire was to set a record. And not a
record for doing something especially well. She wanted the record for
simply doing something at a younger age. When someone is considered
"good for their age", it's not always really intended as a compliment.
This escapade is in the same category as "balloon boy".

If she was truly interested in the circumnavigation itself, she would
have waited until conditions and timing were far better. She couldn't
wait, because then she wouldn't be the youngest. She was only
interested in the money she would make and the attention.




Agreed! And, look deeper. Who inculcated that warped, ego-centric attitude
into her at such a tender age?

Her parents, of course. Her parents are publicity whores living
vicariously through their kids. I see them as "Little Miss America"
parents. What little girl would even consider being Little Miss America on
her own? What little girl would have as her heart's desire trying to set
the record for youngest around on her own?

Sadly, she is no sailor. She's a cheap, little, publicity puppy bred by
her whore parents. Even had to have a pretend, open-forty, race boat of
her own to complete the fairy tale.

Wilbur Hubbard


And you are a sick little pervert. I assume that your expertise in failures
is based on your own life.

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

Wilbur Hubbard wrote:

Right you are. These liberal minded folks who think other people deserve a
lot of credit for trying and FAILING have no idea of what it means to
succeed at a task. The equate FAILURE with success and actually give kudos
for failure (trying and failing). What's next? are they going to be giving
kudos for people who don't even try and then fail? Probably.

The way I see it, the poor girl never had a chance. Her so-called team did
her a great disservice. The first indication was when she had to put into La
Paz in order to ship greater electrical generating systems. Duh! Didn't
anybody on her so-called team have half a brain and could sit down and
figure amps required vs. amps available?

Then there was the autopilot debacle. Double Duh! What morons allow a
circumnavigation to be compromised because they rely TOTALLY on two electric
autopilots? What were they thinking?

Then they routed the poor girl into the roaring forties in the wintertime.
One has to wonder if maybe mom and dad had a multi-million dollar life
insurance policy on the girl and needed some income desperately. Excuse me,
but wasn't this a circumnavigation? Why the need for speed in dangerous
latitudes? Somebody is very confused.

If this is what sailing has been reduced to in this day and age and people
think the sailor deserves kudos then there is little or no hope for
seamanship anymore.

Failure? Depends upon how you define success. She failed at one of her
goals, but certainly succeeded at a few others. For example, she
survived. That right there is surely a huge success. The main success,
really. She also has generated massive publicity for herself that she
can and probably will use if she wants to, as a springboard to other
great things for herself.

Anyone attempting great things should be doing it for the journey, not
the destination, and she had one hell of a journey, including some
pretty amazing saves she accomplished in very hairy conditions, like
when the sail got snagged on the spreaders and she had to go up the mast
in heavy weather to free it. Huge success right there. There were many
others.

No, anyone who views success and failure as you recommend, who sits home
instead of going for their dreams as you told Skip to do, because they
could be better at this or better at that, because they might fail in
their ultimate goal, because they even might die; well those people are
the ones who will be miserable failures, bitter and jealous of almost
anyone accomplishes anything. They miss their chance at a good life due
to their irrational fear of failure and hate almost everyone who is
doing what they should be doing.

Stephen

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Gogarty" wrote in message
...
How's your refrigerator?

How long have you been retarded?

LP

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote

Well, it turns out good old Wilbur was right again. When are you people
going to learn that you'd just better not doubt me? Huh? I can't hear you.

The gene pool can always use some chlorine from time to time...

LP

DISMASTED - told you so . . .
 

The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no
probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my stupid
ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out.

Agreed.

The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and
unsuitable equipment.

That's what I've been telling you all along!

Glad we agree on something!
I like old, heavy and relatively slow boats. My favorite was a 1963 Chris
Craft Caribbean, 35' and 16k lbs. Rock solid and bulletproof.

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Jan wrote:
/snip/ Even had to have a pretend, open-forty, race
boat of her own to complete the fairy tale.

Wilbur Hubbard


And you are a sick little pervert. I assume that your expertise in
failures is based on your own life.

This must be the most pertinent comment on the voyage that one woman
will remember all her days - the memory of which will help her develop
more iron in her backbone, than Wilbur has in his 'mended' boom.

Brian W

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:23:10 -0400, Gogarty
wrote this crap:

One can't be happy and carefree and filthy rich at the same time.

I'll give it a try.


It certainly works for me.

Vote for Palin-Brown in 2012. Repeal the nightmares.




I'm Horvath and I approve of this post.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 08:59:50 -0400, wrote:

I'm not so sure I'd pick that combination for a circumnavigation. That
boat was purpose built to be used in charter in the Carribean, where
people tend to sail a little from point to point and then anchor in
mostly benign conditions. I'd pick a CSY 44 out of that type of boats.

The CSYs are hell for stout but also butt ugly in my opinion. I think
Skip and Lydia's boat, the Morgan 461 has a lot going for it. For
living aboard in the islands however, I really don't think you can
beat a good trawler, at least 2 or 3x the living space and storage in
the same boat length.

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:13:23 -0400, "mmc" wrote:




The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no
probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my
stupid
ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out.

Agreed.

The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and
unsuitable equipment.

That's what I've been telling you all along!

Glad we agree on something!
I like old, heavy and relatively slow boats. My favorite was a 1963 Chris
Craft Caribbean, 35' and 16k lbs. Rock solid and bulletproof.


Well, that certainly qualifies as old, heavy, and slow!

I'm not so sure I'd pick that combination for a circumnavigation. That
boat was purpose built to be used in charter in the Carribean, where
people tend to sail a little from point to point and then anchor in
mostly benign conditions. I'd pick a CSY 44 out of that type of boats.


Built to last! I'd never heard or read that about the CC, seems the duty you
describe would better fit one of your lightweights.
The CC was a great sailing boat. Lacked storage and had I kept her I would
have added a hard top and soft side enclosure which would have helped with
the accomodation. A PO had swapped out the Grey Marine gasoline engine for a
4-108 and later had to replace the fuel tanks as the originals were
galvanized.
After burning the ^%^$ out of my elbow on the old hot stack exhaust, I
replaced it with a water lift. Man, what a great difference that made! The
engine comparment was a LOT cooler which helped with the cockpit and the DB
level probably dropped by 75%.

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

We are talking about a non-stop circumnavigation, Wayne. I don't think
there is a trawler made that could make it that far.

Unfortunately you are right about that. Lot's of trawlers have
circumnavigated but not non-stop. Maybe if we towed a 25,000 gallon
barge behind us... :-)

We keep runing into people who have done some very impressive offshore
passages in sailing catamarans. Maybe that's the answer. It would
certainly be good for two couples.

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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

We are talking about a non-stop circumnavigation, Wayne. I don't think
there is a trawler made that could make it that far.

Unfortunately you are right about that. Lot's of trawlers have
circumnavigated but not non-stop. Maybe if we towed a 25,000 gallon
barge behind us... :-)

We keep runing into people who have done some very impressive offshore
passages in sailing catamarans. Maybe that's the answer. It would
certainly be good for two couples.




Two upside-down couples!


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:44:38 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

We keep runing into people who have done some very impressive offshore
passages in sailing catamarans. Maybe that's the answer. It would
certainly be good for two couples.




Two upside-down couples!

Who ever said that crossing oceans in a small boat was totally safe ?

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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:25:32 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:38:59 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

We are talking about a non-stop circumnavigation, Wayne. I don't think
there is a trawler made that could make it that far.

Unfortunately you are right about that. Lot's of trawlers have
circumnavigated but not non-stop. Maybe if we towed a 25,000 gallon
barge behind us... :-)

We keep runing into people who have done some very impressive offshore
passages in sailing catamarans. Maybe that's the answer. It would
certainly be good for two couples.

Sooner or later someone is going to figure out how to put a hydrogen
fuel cell on a trawler and feed it seawater.

And that would be a very cool solution to the energy crisis. Another
way to accomplish the same thing is with small scale nuclear reactors
but if the navy has them, they're not talking about it. I had dinner
a couple of years ago with the navy's chief nuclear physicist and he
just smiled when I asked him about the possibility.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:11:11 -0400, wrote:

Boats powered by hydrogen fuel cells may not be far off at all. The
fact that they are floating in a vast supply of seawater is quite an
advantage.takes

What advantage? With no losses, it would take 15 kw hours to produce a
pound of hydrogen. Not including the energy needed to liquify or
compress the stuff. LH2 has a density of about 1/20 water or 1/14
gasoline or alcohol. A boat is the last place for extremely bulky
systems. Best thing to do if you have some hydrogen that isn't working
is use it to turn coal into gasoline or other useful hydrocarbons.

Casady

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:14:12 -0400, wrote:

And nuclear powered electric generation plants are also steam plants.
What is you point... assuming you have one?

Unless they are not. Some are powered by the heat from radioactive
decay using thermocouples. Space probes are an application. I am not
sure how plutonium powered cardiac pacemakers work, but is isn't
steam.

Casady

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:36:04 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 20:25:32 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:38:59 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 16:30:31 -0400, wrote:

We are talking about a non-stop circumnavigation, Wayne. I don't think
there is a trawler made that could make it that far.

Unfortunately you are right about that. Lot's of trawlers have
circumnavigated but not non-stop. Maybe if we towed a 25,000 gallon
barge behind us... :-)

We keep runing into people who have done some very impressive offshore
passages in sailing catamarans. Maybe that's the answer. It would
certainly be good for two couples.

Sooner or later someone is going to figure out how to put a hydrogen
fuel cell on a trawler and feed it seawater.

And that would be a very cool solution to the energy crisis. Another
way to accomplish the same thing is with small scale nuclear reactors
but if the navy has them, they're not talking about it. I had dinner
a couple of years ago with the navy's chief nuclear physicist and he
just smiled when I asked him about the possibility.

???

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)





http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/...ar-12.17b.html


Wilbur Hubbard

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wrote in message
...
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 19:13:23 -0400, "mmc" wrote:




The idea that if a person gets in trouble, no
probs, I've got a lifeboat and epirb and someone will come bail my
stupid
ass out of this crack doesn't always pan out.

Agreed.

The kids parents put her in this predicament with poor planning and
unsuitable equipment.

That's what I've been telling you all along!

Glad we agree on something!
I like old, heavy and relatively slow boats. My favorite was a 1963 Chris
Craft Caribbean, 35' and 16k lbs. Rock solid and bulletproof.


Well, that certainly qualifies as old, heavy, and slow!

I'm not so sure I'd pick that combination for a circumnavigation. That
boat was purpose built to be used in charter in the Carribean, where
people tend to sail a little from point to point and then anchor in
mostly benign conditions. I'd pick a CSY 44 out of that type of boats.


I wouldn't want to do a non-stop. Wouldn't be doing it for any record or
bragging rites, but rather to see the sites and enjoy the trip and people
encountered along the way like you or someone else wrote earlier.
Just can't imagine sailing past all those beautiful South Pacific islands
and not wanting to visit.

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I wouldn't want to do a non-stop. Wouldn't be doing it for any record or
bragging rites, but rather to see the sites and enjoy the trip and people
encountered along the way like you or someone else wrote earlier.
Just can't imagine sailing past all those beautiful South Pacific islands
and not wanting to visit.



For a sobering look and a good read about those beautiful South
Pacific islands, read "The Sex Lives of Cannibals" by J Marten Troost.
It's a bit of a wake up.
G

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:52:12 -0400, wrote:

Sooner or later someone is going to figure out how to put a hydrogen
fuel cell on a trawler and feed it seawater.

And that would be a very cool solution to the energy crisis. Another
way to accomplish the same thing is with small scale nuclear reactors
but if the navy has them, they're not talking about it. I had dinner
a couple of years ago with the navy's chief nuclear physicist and he
just smiled when I asked him about the possibility.

???

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:48:19 -0400, Gogarty
wrote:

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/...cro-nuclear-12
.17b.html


Wilbur Hubbard


Twenty feet by six feet? Can't see getting that into my forty-footer.

No, but half again to 10 feet by 3 feet is barely bigger than the
average engine in a sport fishing boat.

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:40 -0400, wrote:

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

I think hydrogen fuel cells have a lot more promise for this
application! Maybe just a few years away.

I hope you're right.

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On 6/15/10 6:37 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:01:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:48:19 -0400,
wrote:

http://www.nextenergynews.com/news1/...cro-nuclear-12
.17b.html


Wilbur Hubbard


Twenty feet by six feet? Can't see getting that into my forty-footer.

No, but half again to 10 feet by 3 feet is barely bigger than the
average engine in a sport fishing boat.

I'm guessing that weight is a far more serious obstacle than
dimensions. A compact reactor will be mostly lead containment.



Well, there certainly aren't any "issues" in connection with the safe
operation of a nuclear reactor. Yeah...that's the ticket. And hydrogen?
Just the ticket for small boats beaten up in rough oceans...call your
boat, oh, how about Hindenburg II?

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Gogarty wrote:
In article ,
says...
I wouldn't want to do a non-stop. Wouldn't be doing it for any record or
bragging rites, but rather to see the sites and enjoy the trip and people
encountered along the way like you or someone else wrote earlier.
Just can't imagine sailing past all those beautiful South Pacific islands
and not wanting to visit.


For a sobering look and a good read about those beautiful South
Pacific islands, read "The Sex Lives of Cannibals" by J Marten Troost.
It's a bit of a wake up.
G

Miss Lonely Hearts. Typee.


And speaking of beautiful South Pacific islands. You've all heard how
some of them are sinking into the ocean and villages are disappearing
underwater all due to global warming and rising seas.
I often wondered why it was only some of them and now I see the light!
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...-95487019.html
G

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:46:06 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:40 -0400, wrote:

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

I think hydrogen fuel cells have a lot more promise for this
application! Maybe just a few years away.

I hope you're right.

It would certainly open up some possibilities!




No it won't open up any possibilities. Just where do you think you're gonna
be able to get your tanks filled with hydrogen? Duh! There is not one
single marina offering hydrogen fills to date. Total pie in the sky is what
you're talking about.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:26:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:46:06 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:40 -0400, wrote:

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

I think hydrogen fuel cells have a lot more promise for this
application! Maybe just a few years away.

I hope you're right.

It would certainly open up some possibilities!




No it won't open up any possibilities. Just where do you think you're
gonna
be able to get your tanks filled with hydrogen? Duh! There is not one
single marina offering hydrogen fills to date. Total pie in the sky is
what
you're talking about.


Wilbur Hubbard


Yeah, and those stupid Wright Brothers. Didn't they realize that there
were no airports for airplanes to use?




Poppycock. Why do you think they used the beach for their flight? Natural
airport, huh?

So, stop with the dumb side-stepping and explain how a handful of Rubes
geeking around with hydrogen fuel cells are going to inspire marinas to go
to the very great expense of providing hydrogen for customers who are not
forthcoming?

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:14:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:26:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:46:06 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:40 -0400, wrote:

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time, Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

I think hydrogen fuel cells have a lot more promise for this
application! Maybe just a few years away.

I hope you're right.

It would certainly open up some possibilities!




No it won't open up any possibilities. Just where do you think you're
gonna
be able to get your tanks filled with hydrogen? Duh! There is not one
single marina offering hydrogen fills to date. Total pie in the sky is
what
you're talking about.


Wilbur Hubbard


Yeah, and those stupid Wright Brothers. Didn't they realize that there
were no airports for airplanes to use?




Poppycock. Why do you think they used the beach for their flight? Natural
airport, huh?


Yeah, but why try to develop airplanes without an infrastructure
already in place to make them commercially viable?

I think your shoelaces are untied...




I think you've missed the point entirely. The Wright brothers weren't the
least bit interested in a commercial or private aircraft industry. They were
just out to show people could fly a heavier than air machine.


Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:40:40 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:14:48 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 12:26:33 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 20:46:06 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:51:40 -0400, wrote:

There have been nuclear powered subs for quite a long time,
Wayne.
It's not really a secret. :-)

Yes but those reactors are the size of a trawler, not sized for a
trawler. My idea of small scale is something that fits in a large
closet or similar.

I think hydrogen fuel cells have a lot more promise for this
application! Maybe just a few years away.

I hope you're right.

It would certainly open up some possibilities!




No it won't open up any possibilities. Just where do you think you're
gonna
be able to get your tanks filled with hydrogen? Duh! There is not one
single marina offering hydrogen fills to date. Total pie in the sky is
what
you're talking about.


Wilbur Hubbard


Yeah, and those stupid Wright Brothers. Didn't they realize that there
were no airports for airplanes to use?




Poppycock. Why do you think they used the beach for their flight?
Natural
airport, huh?


Yeah, but why try to develop airplanes without an infrastructure
already in place to make them commercially viable?

I think your shoelaces are untied...




I think you've missed the point entirely. The Wright brothers weren't the
least bit interested in a commercial or private aircraft industry. They
were
just out to show people could fly a heavier than air machine.


Wilbur Hubbard


I KNOW your shoelaces are untied.



For your information, I wear sandals that have hook and loop fasteners on
the straps. When I'm not wearing sandals I'm bare footed.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:33:02 -0400, wrote:

If you are correct that it takes more electricity to make the hydrogen
than the amount of electricity a fuel cell produces, then how do you
explain the savings realized by public buildings powered by fuel
cells?

Are those buildings using hydrogen or natural gas as input to the fuel
cell?

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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 08:08:03 -0700, Gordon wrote:

And speaking of beautiful South Pacific islands. You've all heard how
some of them are sinking into the ocean and villages are disappearing
underwater all due to global warming and rising seas.

I kind of thought our boat was floating a little higher this morning.
How long until we reach the moon?