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Date: Tues, Jun 1 2010 6:02 am From: slide Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink. $.50 / US gal for water? How much do you think you are spending per year doing this cruising stuff? I mean all running expenses and repairs. I don't mean payments on the boat itself if if's financed. Seems to me that every post I read of yours, there is some huge running expense documented. The handhelds are very common among cruisers. Tells temp and depth, and, to boot, has a fishfinder function as well. About a boat decibuck. It's from Hawkeye, a "DIGITAL SONAR handheld sonar Px" - and, as is my wont, I'll give them high marks for customer service. My first unit, well out of warranty, had a problem. Sent it back, and they sent me another, which works perfectly. We know, exactly, how much we're spending, and, on what, as we keep a spreadsheet of all of our expenses by category. We only have two complete years at this point, but they're much more detailed than Bumfuzzle's, for example. To date, in our entire time out, we paid $5 to fill in Annapolis (our sole experience of being charged for water in the US), $5.50 in the Sampson Cay example, and two examples of $10 and $20 in Marsh Harbour, at $.20/gallon. So far, in 3 years plus, that comes to just over half a boat decibuck in more than 3 years. Not so bad. We plan our water according to advantage; we carry a lot of it, so we have some flexibility in where and when we fill. We thought long and hard about a watermaker, but the acquisition cost alone, never mind the running costs, either in electricity or consumables, would buy us more water, even at $.50/gal than we could foresee in our lifetimes. That said, our buddy boat has one, which came with the boat, and love it, running it whenever they're motoring. They've offered us emergency, should we actually run out somewhere in the boonies when we're together, supply, so we're not worried.on that count. The boat's clear, courtesy of our wreck, and we're self-insured. Your vision of "huge running expense" is all in the eyes of the beholder. Our running expenses - make that total expenditures, including shoretime which is much more costly than living aboard - for the last three years combined wouldn't fill the fuel tanks on some of the yachts we've been near, for example, but, conversely, a single month's total expenditures would likely exceed a Wilbur/Neal-type boat's annual costs, as they have an outboard, no refrigeration or other consumables storage overhead, and the entire boat could be bought for the price of a new set of sails or standing rigging (with new furler) on ours. It's all in the perspective :{)) Right now, I'm in the middle of a squall, with very limited WiFi, so this responses is clipped from the daily digest I receive, so it can wait to go out, rather than my waiting for the original to show up in the thread on my news reader. You may well not see it until well after the June 2 9AM composition :{)) L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) |
On water in the Bahamas
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On water in the Bahamas
Flying Pig wrote:
== 2 of 2 == Date: Tues, Jun 1 2010 6:02 am From: slide Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink. $.50 / US gal for water? How much do you think you are spending per year doing this cruising stuff? I mean all running expenses and repairs. I don't mean payments on the boat itself if if's financed. Seems to me that every post I read of yours, there is some huge running expense documented. The handhelds are very common among cruisers. Tells temp and depth, and, to boot, has a fishfinder function as well. About a boat decibuck. It's from Hawkeye, a "DIGITAL SONAR handheld sonar Px" - and, as is my wont, I'll give them high marks for customer service. My first unit, well out of warranty, had a problem. Sent it back, and they sent me another, which works perfectly. We know, exactly, how much we're spending, and, on what, as we keep a spreadsheet of all of our expenses by category. We only have two complete years at this point, but they're much more detailed than Bumfuzzle's, for example. To date, in our entire time out, we paid $5 to fill in Annapolis (our sole experience of being charged for water in the US), $5.50 in the Sampson Cay example, and two examples of $10 and $20 in Marsh Harbour, at $.20/gallon. So far, in 3 years plus, that comes to just over half a boat decibuck in more than 3 years. Not so bad. We plan our water according to advantage; we carry a lot of it, so we have some flexibility in where and when we fill. We thought long and hard about a watermaker, but the acquisition cost alone, never mind the running costs, either in electricity or consumables, would buy us more water, even at $.50/gal than we could foresee in our lifetimes. That said, our buddy boat has one, which came with the boat, and love it, running it whenever they're motoring. They've offered us emergency, should we actually run out somewhere in the boonies when we're together, supply, so we're not worried.on that count. The boat's clear, courtesy of our wreck, and we're self-insured. Your vision of "huge running expense" is all in the eyes of the beholder. Our running expenses - make that total expenditures, including shoretime which is much more costly than living aboard - for the last three years combined wouldn't fill the fuel tanks on some of the yachts we've been near, for example, but, conversely, a single month's total expenditures would likely exceed a Wilbur/Neal-type boat's annual costs, as they have an outboard, no refrigeration or other consumables storage overhead, and the entire boat could be bought for the price of a new set of sails or standing rigging (with new furler) on ours. It's all in the perspective :{)) Right now, I'm in the middle of a squall, with very limited WiFi, so this responses is clipped from the daily digest I receive, so it can wait to go out, rather than my waiting for the original to show up in the thread on my news reader. You may well not see it until well after the June 2 9AM composition :{)) L8R Skip If I may make an editorial (not to mention impudent comment...) ....this note, that you think of as severely curtailed - is about the right length for newsgroup readers like me. It leaves me wanting more. Sometimes, after the third screen of your longer peerless tales, I give up. Brian W |
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"brian whatcott" wrote in message
... If I may make an editorial (not to mention impudent comment...) ...this note, that you think of as severely curtailed - is about the right length for newsgroup readers like me. It leaves me wanting more. Sometimes, after the third screen of your longer peerless tales, I give up. Brian W Hi, Brian :{)) Editorializing and impudence are welcomed. You've no doubt seen that I handle Boob and Willy without killfiling or going into a tizzy :{)) - and, even, sometimes, get useful info from them by not reacting as many others do. It wasn't the note which was curtailed. It was the internet availability. As to editorializing, I "get it" - but there's no way to tell the story in 3 paragraphs, and to break it up into bite sized chunks (admittedly, sometimes, when it's going out over winlink, the much-slower-than-dialup and subject-to-propagation-issues HF radio link for my son to post, I DO break it up into one-screen chunks because the connection can't stay up for long enough to do it in one piece) - but it doesn't parse that way - he stitches them back together before sending them off for me. A little like watching a video with 3 or 4 avi files. Unless you can stitch them together (my VLC videolan viewer does that for me), trying to get the entire picture (pardon the expression) is much tougher than, in this analogy, just sticking in a DVD and settling back, hitting the pause button if you like, and watching. That said, there's lots of movies I have on my HD that we haven't, and may well never, watch(ed). My logs may well be similar. Meanwhile, there's a referendum on the subject I initiated over in Cruisers and Sailing Forums, a web-based place. There have been suggestions for a blog. However, maybe it's just me, but I have a couple of friends who put out blogs, and while I get a notification of them, with the link to go see, much of the time, I don't - because a) it's another step, rather than just opening the mail (which I already had to do to see the link) and b) at least, in the ones I see, they don't present in an easy-to-read format, and have everything ever done there as well, cluttering up the instant (as in instance) post I might like to read. The ones I've seen (granted, there may be other formats) also require a further mining to get to what it is they're talking about on the notification, rather than just opening that instance. However, blogs seem to be a frequent enough suggestion that perhaps I'll ask my son, the Google wizard (ex-employee, author of the most-used Chrome browser app), who's offered, if there's a way to set up a blog for me that would meet my perceptions of shortcoming. However, if I went to that format, likely I'd not then go to the additional effort of putting notices here and the other places my log postings go. In the ongoing referendum mentioned, there was some discussion of ego-centrism, which I admitted might be true - but my real purpose in putting the logs where I do is so that someone like I used to be (pick any time prior to now) who could find my foibles, disasters, explorations and successes valuable, might see them and store them away as I used to do, in great volume, in my very earliest days in RBC and the dozen or so Sailnet mailing lists I used to be on (before they killed them and went to forums). Now that the world has gone to forums, rather than usenet (just like usenet superceded bulletin boards - yes, I'm THAT old), if you're not on full-time broadband, getting a broad-spectrum view is very difficult due to the need to not only open the web page, but then navigate around in great detail. Worse, for my archiving purposes, getting all the stuff I might like to store into my computer is vastly more difficult than just pulling an email or usenet post into a folder. As to the bandwidth issue, we're currently helping our buddy boat with access to our router (he's nearby) so he can do some setup for his time ashore when they expect to sell the boat. In two 3-hour sessions, some of which were my refreshing the page on the above referendum, and sending new comments to those commenting, we've managed to use more than 400MB. Our subscription will end in another 300MB, sometime today, if this holds. Yet, my posts here usually, even in the most extreme, don't exceed 25K. Thus you may have a better appreciation for why I say that anything web-based is the bane of my existence. Those ashore don't usually have those issues :{)) So, I continue here, in a text-only format, getting each post as it arrives if I have good enough connectivity, or the digest, if not. So, as usual, this is long - and, likely, you've left before this point :{)) - but I'm interested in various blog formats (which won't change my posting style, but may limit the bandwidth here) in case they might be useful. In any event, you know in advance what you'll get with one of my logs; if they're tiresome, I imagine folks ignore them after having read the first few :{)) L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) |
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On Jun 3, 9:41*am, "Flying Pig" wrote:
*There have been suggestions for a blog. *However, maybe it's just me, but I have a couple of friends who put out blogs, and while I get a notification of them, with the link to go see, much of the time, I don't - because a) it's another step, rather than just opening the mail (which I already had to do to see the link) and b) at least, in the ones I see, they don't present in an easy-to-read format, and have everything ever done there as well, cluttering up the instant (as in instance) post I might like to read. Skip, Most blogs provide incredible control over format. Classically postings are in reverse chronological order so the latest post is first and immediately apparent. The blog functions as an automatic archive making what information may be gleaned accessible to those who come later. Some blog software, including Wordpress and Movable Type, allow integration with e-mail so that you can post by e-mailing your content to a special e-mail address. This is very convenient and allows posting directly over Winlink or Sailmail. I've set that capability up a number of times and it is trivial to do. Some people go back and edit their posts later to add pictures but that isn't necessary. A link to the blog should show the latest post. Most blog software also generates a permanent link to each post that provides an enduring connection to that specific post. Incidentally, there is no reason you should have to send your posts in sections over Winlink. I believe the limit on message size is 120 kB compressed. Text messages compress significantly. Indeed the time it takes is long for long messages and imposes upon everyone trying to share the system but breaking your message into pieces doesn't reduce the total time to transmit. 73 es sail fast, dave KO4MI S/V Auspicious |
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Hi, Dave, and thanks for the note.
"Auspicious" wrote in message ... Skip, Most blogs provide incredible control over format. Classically postings are in reverse chronological order so the latest post is first and immediately apparent. The blog functions as an automatic archive making what information may be gleaned accessible to those who come later. Some blog software, including Wordpress and Movable Type, allow integration with e-mail so that you can post by e-mailing your content to a special e-mail address. This is very convenient and allows posting directly over Winlink or Sailmail. I've set that capability up a number of times and it is trivial to do. Some people go back and edit their posts later to add pictures but that isn't necessary. A link to the blog should show the latest post. Most blog software also generates a permanent link to each post that provides an enduring connection to that specific post. Incidentally, there is no reason you should have to send your posts in sections over Winlink. I believe the limit on message size is 120 kB compressed. Text messages compress significantly. Indeed the time it takes is long for long messages and imposes upon everyone trying to share the system but breaking your message into pieces doesn't reduce the total time to transmit. 73 es sail fast, dave KO4MI S/V Auspicious I'm in the very early stages of getting to the point of stupid, rather than totally uninformed. Eventually, if I pursue it, I'll become dangerous, and, with any luck, able, and perhaps even proficient :{)) The problem in my transmitting what is never more than 20k after compression is either speed or connectivity or both. Either I can't maintain a connection, in general, or, Tx is at the low hundreds at best. When I get a good enough connection that it goes out at anything over 1k, all is well. That is, unless the connection deteriorates along the way, starting at mid thousand, but deteriorating to low hundreds. In those cases, since I'm unwilling to risk having the entirety go poof, at the cost of all those amps, let alone my need to babysit it, I break it up, post all the segments but then unpost all but the next in line, and deal with it like that. That's about half the time, in my experience. That's even with aborting an upload very early on if it's slow, looking for a better connection somewhere else. Frequently that works; propagation makes it such that I might do much better 1500 miles away than someplace much closer. So, yes, it doesn't save any time to break it up - other than having to start over after 25 minutes on a marginal speed and an eventual failure when there are 100 more bytes to connect, or MUCH more frustrating, they all get there, but the confirmation never happens, and I have to start over. Where are you these days? 73s... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) |
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Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink. Skip A hand held depth finder: Its called a lead line skip. get one on board and use it once a month as part of your monthy safety checks. ALso, regarding your SSb email...... trash that stone age crap. It has one foot in a grave half filled with vacume tubes. Get Irridum. If you want to listen to the net gab fest get a good multi band receive only for $300USD and listen to all that dribble ya want. Hell you can even receive weathefax off it and put to your computer. The only people who still use SSB TX a 1) fools like you who listen to retierd radio geeks who love playing with that crap cause it makes them feel smarter than you. So guys like you buy all that **** that comes with ssb cause you dont know any better. Personally, less complicated is better that is unless you are the second typ of person who supports use of ssb tx 2) radio geeks who grew up making a crystal radio set for a merit badge and soldering Heath Kits together who like to tinker with that crap. Those kinduse ssb for the same reason old poeple do crossword puzzels and SODOKU. 3) those stunted personalities who cant stand being quiet or alone and must forever have an audince at all cost. Why dont you go learn flashing light/morse code. Did you know that is required for all USCG license alowed to sail oceans? But SSB is not specifically required. Why does the IMO and USCG not require vercahnt ships to have SSB any more skip?? As much time as you sit on the hook you could get GBAN and surf the internet for god sakes. bob. |
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On Jun 5, 7:31 am, "Flying Pig" wrote:
That's about half the time, in my experience. That's even with aborting an upload very early on if it's slow, looking for a better connection somewhere else. Frequently that works; propagation makes it such that I might do much better 1500 miles away than someplace much closer. Bummer. Do you have and use the propagation tool for Airmail? My experience seems better than yours. Like you I do sometimes get a slow connection that I terminate rather than wait. Once I get a solid connect though all my mail goes through. It generally only takes checking the top few stations on the prop list. Maybe you have more mail than I do. Where are you these days? I just got back from a mini-cruise to Narragansett RI and down LIS. I sailed to my college homecoming and anchored off the beach! Way cool. Now I'm back in Annapolis. Janet (who I don't think you met when we caught up in MHH) and I are heading out again in a couple of weeks - still talking about where to go. On Jun 6, 2:48*am, Bob wrote: Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink. A hand held depth finder: Its called a lead line skip. get one on board and use it once a month as part of your monthy safety checks. I have a lead line that I use for entertainment once in a while, and an electronic hand held depth finder. Guess which is more useful surveying around the boat when aground? By the way, if you haven't run aground you haven't been sailing anywhere interesting. ALso, regarding your SSb email...... trash that stone age crap. It has one foot in a grave half filled with vacume tubes. Get Irridum. 1. vacuum 2. Iridium 3. I have personal experience with Inmarsat mini-M, Iridium, Globalstar, and SSB with Pactor. If someone else is paying the bills or I win the lottery I'd go with Inmarsat in a second, although the dish would be intrusive on my boat. Absent that SSB beats the pants off Iridium for reliability and easily meets it for speed. Often throughput is a bit faster over SSB and time spent hunched over the nav station is definitely shorter for SSB. The only advantage of sat phones is the ability to dial a phone number of anyone anywhere and make a connection. Not important to me but might be to some people. For e-mail, wefax, Navtex, position reporting, and staying in touch (generally by e-mail) SSB with Pactor is ahead of sat phones on both performance and value for money. My conclusion is from BOTH running the numbers and first-hand experience with all the options. Personally, less complicated is better that is unless you are the second typ of person who supports use of ssb tx Are you kidding? HF is much simpler than sat phones. As much time as you sit on the hook you could get GBAN and surf the internet for god sakes. I presume you mean BGAN. Yes? Nice portable solution from Inmarsat but there are less expensive ones with similar bandwidth. 73 es sail fast, dave KO4MI S/V Auspicious |
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Hi, Boob :{))
Nice to hear from you again... "Bob" wrote in message ... Hand held depth finder? I had no idea such a thing existed, but I can see its use for exploring an anchorage by dink. Skip A hand held depth finder: Its called a lead line skip. get one on board and use it once a month as part of your monthy safety checks. Don't forget to make it one with a nice cup for the wax, so you can sample the bottom :{)) Oh, ya, carry along a swimming pool thermometer and sit for at least a couple of minutes at each location so as to let the temp stabilize. And take a looky bucket along so you can see the fish, if there are any... ALso, regarding your SSb email...... trash that stone age crap. It has one foot in a grave half filled with vacume tubes. Get Irridum. If you want to listen to the net gab fest get a good multi band receive only for $300USD and listen to all that dribble ya want. Hell you can even receive weathefax off it and put to your computer. The only people who still use SSB TX a As usual, you're not paying attention, just sniping. It's HAM email. Meanwhile, Iridium continues to have my interest, but not my principal. I'm all for making permanent investments, but really down on ongoing costs. Thus I use winlink, not sailmail, as I'm a HAM, not some ratchetjaw on the SSB. Dave has covered the other issues pretty well so I'll not duplicate, but... I admit to using SSB, because that's his medium, to talk with Chris Parker occasionally, and, rarely, to make scheduled contact with another boater who's not a ham. However, it's another arrow in my quiver in the event of an emergency. Like Joe, should the disaster need ever strike, in addition to my EPIRB, SPOT (NOT a "real" emergency tool, but at least a supplement) and VHF (with DSC panic button), I have SSB (and, of course, ham) radio voice and DSC. As to taking signals off the air and putting them to my computer, the only application I use that for is satellite images. I have a quadrafilar helical antenna tied to a hamtronics R139 receiver (don't have to manually set the frequencies that way; too lazy, as you've noted before) which, together with a tracking program allowing me to see where any given weather satellite is at any time, and an automated capture program which pulls down the transmission and then parses the WAV file into as many as a dozen different presentations, lets me see real-time satellite images. I can cover about 1/3 the globe N/S, and about 2000 miles E/W, so, depending on the path, and where I am, using various passes of different satellites, I can see about 4000 miles edge to edge when considered together. Have yet to use it in emergency (meaning it might be very important to me) conditions, but if I'm in the middle of nowhere, it is very comforting to be able to SEE storm systems developing and where they're heading. As much time as you sit on the hook you could get GBAN and surf the internet for god sakes. Pretty much, where I sit on the hook, I have WiFi connectivity. In the middle of the ocean somewhere, I'm likely to be busy with other things than surfing the internet. That said, the multi-hundred entry cost is the least cost, as surfing the internet, measured by the data flowing through my adapter at the top of the mast, easily can be over 100MB a day in very light use (no downloads of programs or other biggie files). At $449/mo for 30 voice minutes and 100MB I'm not even remotely interested, let alone the up-to-6K/mo for ACTUAL (meaning I get to use it in any real sense) broadband service. See above about continuing costs. Why dont you go learn flashing light/morse code. Did you know that is required for all USCG license alowed to sail oceans? But SSB is not specifically required. Why does the IMO and USCG not require vercahnt ships to have SSB any more skip?? Not my province, but, being a HAM, I say... Dahdidit dit (or, if you prefer) Beamfuflash flash to you, sir :{)) With your ratings, I'm sure both parse... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Believe me, my young friend, there is *nothing*-absolutely nothing-half so much worth doing as simply messing, messing-about-in-boats; messing about in boats-or *with* boats. In or out of 'em, it doesn't matter. Nothing seems really to matter, that's the charm of it. Whether you get away, or whether you don't; whether you arrive at your destination or whether you reach somewhere else, or whether you never get anywhere at all, you're always busy, and you never do anything in particular; and when you've done it there's always something else to do, and you can do it if you like, but you'd much better not." |
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Hi, Dave,
This, as is fairly typical, has migrated pretty far from the start, so I'll address just the pertinent questions, having yet again renamed the subject: "Auspicious" wrote in message ... On Jun 5, 7:31 am, "Flying Pig" wrote: That's about half the time, in my experience. That's even with aborting an upload very early on if it's slow, looking for a better connection somewhere else. Frequently that works; propagation makes it such that I might do much better 1500 miles away than someplace much closer. Bummer. Do you have and use the propagation tool for Airmail? My experience seems better than yours. Like you I do sometimes get a slow connection that I terminate rather than wait. Once I get a solid connect though all my mail goes through. It generally only takes checking the top few stations on the prop list. Maybe you have more mail than I do. Yes, I do, to both. My logs aren't one-liners, as everyone takes great joy in pointing out, so connection reliability (vs throughput) becomes an issue. I do use the prop tool aggressively, along with an automatic frequency-changing control cable. I've found that certain of the stations are more likely to connect than others, and I never even try anything which doesn't show 100% reliability. I usually define "solid" in two terms: What's the "speed" shown on the bottom (lowest 100, highest - that I've seen - 400) and what's the tx speed (anywhere from 100 to, best, momentary, 1600 bytes/second). So, when I can't maintain a connection, if it's gone along well for MOST of it but dumps twice, I give up and break it up. Usually, the much smaller chunks go without failure, though I may have to use several stations to get a connection (if it doesn't pick up after about 5 "rings" I terminate the call, because if it can't hear me well enough to start, it's not likely to persist) to accomplish the multipart upload. As to my gear, when I'm checking in (not very regularly, but often enough that I'm recognized) on the Maritime Mobile net, most of the time I'm pegging their meters, so think all is well there. Dahdidit dit :{)) L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain |
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Do away with Pactor? Might look at winmor.
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Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc-
: bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. -- http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriproces...UStatement.asp Watch the FULL video. I dare ya! Shechitah barbarians! Larry |
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Larry wrote:
Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... -- Richard Lamb |
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People are people, Larry.
Some are good, some bad, some just plain ugly. I don't think is snobbishness. More self centered. |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA |
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Hoges in WA wrote:
"Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? -- Richard Lamb |
On water in the Bahamas
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? If you get out the West Coast, let me know... happy to host a sail on my boat. It's been pretty wonderful out here lately. Just give me some notice. |
On water in the Bahamas
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? -- Richard Lamb WeI want to slowly wander up with side-trips to places like Dollieville and Nashville etc etc. And anything/anywhere else that looks pleasant to visit and spend a few days. Florida is only to buy the boat. We would be pleased to catch up with you, too, if you're about the place. Hoges in WA |
On water in the Bahamas
"SailNOW" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? If you get out the West Coast, let me know... happy to host a sail on my boat. It's been pretty wonderful out here lately. Just give me some notice. Can't squeeze West Coast into our proposed trip after we're off and running but definitely looking to detour via SF on the way to get it. Been a 9ers fan for many years and have to step on to Candlestick before it goes. Most likely we'll be in your area around Feb '11 Hoges in WA |
On water in the Bahamas
"Hoges in WA" wrote in message ... "SailNOW" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? If you get out the West Coast, let me know... happy to host a sail on my boat. It's been pretty wonderful out here lately. Just give me some notice. Can't squeeze West Coast into our proposed trip after we're off and running but definitely looking to detour via SF on the way to get it. Been a 9ers fan for many years and have to step on to Candlestick before it goes. Most likely we'll be in your area around Feb '11 Hoges in WA Hmm... Feb... well, there might be sailing then... hard to say in advance, but you never know. |
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"Hoges in WA" wrote in
: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Aha! There ARE some sailors left! We'll be standing on the dock to help the line handlers tie her up when she arrives.....(c;] -- http://www.goveg.com/feat/agriproces...UStatement.asp Watch the FULL video. I dare ya! Shechitah barbarians! Larry |
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"SailNOW" wrote in message easolutions... "Hoges in WA" wrote in message ... "SailNOW" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? If you get out the West Coast, let me know... happy to host a sail on my boat. It's been pretty wonderful out here lately. Just give me some notice. Can't squeeze West Coast into our proposed trip after we're off and running but definitely looking to detour via SF on the way to get it. Been a 9ers fan for many years and have to step on to Candlestick before it goes. Most likely we'll be in your area around Feb '11 Hoges in WA Hmm... Feb... well, there might be sailing then... hard to say in advance, but you never know. Not important - We can just look at the Bay and then go find a restaurant/bar. We wanted to go to Candlestick on our previous trip but you turned on a full on blizzard so we hightailed it south to SD instead. |
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SailNOW wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? If you get out the West Coast, let me know... happy to host a sail on my boat. It's been pretty wonderful out here lately. Just give me some notice. Thank you. That's a really generous offer. If I could afford California I might just take you up on it. :) -- Richard Lamb |
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Hoges in WA wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... Hoges in WA wrote: "Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... [snipped] I'm not sure sailing is anywhere near as safe as it used to be when everybody in a marina would go crazy looking for someone overdue or pitch right in to save a sinking yacht whos owner is 300 miles away. You used to go down the docks and greet every person you meet, usually taking an hour to get from the parking lot to your electric box because you'd get sidetracked talking to someone you struck up a friendly conversation with who offered to crank up his coffee pot or open his liqour locker as it WAS after lunch and the sun WAS under the yardarm, after all. Whatever project you were doing got put on hold to help your neighbor whos anchor winch stopped about halfway up the pile of chain laid out on the dock and three of you decided to pitch in an overhaul it for him in trade for some booze and a friendly dinner at some bistro or other. What happened to all that? Larry Make sure you're around in March/April '11 and name your bistro and your poison. You can help me work out what needs fixing and I can supply the alcohol and food. Seriously, though, I'm now down to 25 sleeps to retirement and on track for East Coast USA next year. Hoges in WA Interesting that you mention heading for the east coast. I've been thinking about the same thing. Galveston is closer for me, of course, but it's so miserably hot all year long. So is Florida (been there already). Chesapeake Bay maybe? -- Richard Lamb WeI want to slowly wander up with side-trips to places like Dollieville and Nashville etc etc. And anything/anywhere else that looks pleasant to visit and spend a few days. Florida is only to buy the boat. We would be pleased to catch up with you, too, if you're about the place. Hoges in WA North end of Texas, Hoges. But I'd be glad to take you out on our little lake here. -- Richard Lamb |
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"Larry" wrote in message ... cavelamb wrote in news:QumdnahCGp7- : Larry wrote: Bob wrote in news:03474373-9b8b-46dd-babc- : bob. Why is rec.boats.cruising suddenly packed with real assholes like Bob? What a jerk. nothing sudden about it... This used to be a great place for people needing help or people just sharing their experiences to come. I remember Peggie would offer help fixing someone's stinky head clog and the whole crew would pitch in trying to help out without some jerk, like bob, childishly calling someone else stupid or worse. Bobsprit, jonGanze, OzOne, Katysails, JoeRedcloud showed up. It was straight downhill to hell right after that. |
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On Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:31:12 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: That is, unless the connection deteriorates along the way, starting at mid thousand, but deteriorating to low hundreds. In those cases, since I'm unwilling to risk having the entirety go poof, at the cost of all those amps, let alone my need to babysit it, I break it up, post all the segments but then unpost all but the next in line, and deal with it like that. Propagation has not been good lately but should start improving again. If I try, I can usually get a Winlink connect at 1400 bytes/sec which is a fairly good rate, even for longer messages. We download a 25K GRIB file every day, usually with no problems. Winlink is very good about piecing together broken messages. If the GRIB transmission deteriorates to below 600 BPS, I disconnect and try another PMBO gateway station. Winlink automatically picks up where it left off and completes the transmission. It's a great service and a good example of how ham radio can still be useful in the 21st century. |
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:25:52 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: I may have to use several stations to get a connection (if it doesn't pick up after about 5 "rings" I terminate the call, because if it can't hear me well enough to start, it's not likely to persist) to accomplish the multipart upload. There is one PMBO in Florida who almost never picks up on "5 rings" but has an otherwise excellent station. I believe he keeps his rigs on standby and requires a certain amount of time to get them back on the air. If you connect immediately after he signs off with someone else, his rig connects immediately. |
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On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 09:13:53 -0700, Gordon wrote:
Do away with Pactor? Might look at winmor. Why would you want to do away with Pactor? I think it's an excellent piece of gear, albeit a little over priced. On the other hand it is not a mass production item and the inventors are entitled to a return on their investment. |
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maybe this will help explain?
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...10/04jun_swef/ http://science.nasa.gov/science-news...10/04jun_swef/ As the Sun Awakens, NASA Keeps a Wary Eye on Space Weather NASA Science News Richard Fisher, head of NASA's Heliophysics Division, explains what it's all about: "The sun is waking up from a deep slumber, and in the next few years we expect to see much higher levels of solar activity. At the same time, our technological society has developed an unprecedented sensitivity to solar storms. The intersection of these two issues is what we're getting together to discuss." The National Academy of Sciences framed the problem two years ago in a landmark report entitled "Severe Space Weather Events - Societal and Economic Impacts." It noted how people of the 21st-century rely on high-tech systems for the basics of daily life. Smart power grids, GPS navigation, air travel, financial services and emergency radio communications can all be knocked out by intense solar activity. A century-class solar storm, the Academy warned, could cause twenty times more economic damage than Hurricane Katrina. Much of the damage can be mitigated if managers know a storm is coming. Putting satellites in 'safe mode' and disconnecting transformers can protect these assets from damaging electrical surges. Preventative action, however, requires accurate forecasting - a job that has been assigned to NOAA. "Space weather forecasting is still in its infancy, but we're making rapid progress," says Thomas Bogdan, director of NOAA's Space Weather Prediction Center in Boulder, Colorado. .... For more information about the meeting, please visit the Space Weather Enterprise Forum home page at http://www.nswp.gov/swef/swef_2010.html. Author: Dr. Tony Phillips | Credit: Science@NASA |
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:03:11 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: We thought long and hard about a watermaker, but the acquisition cost alone, never mind the running costs, either in electricity or consumables, would buy us more water, even at $.50/gal than we could foresee in our lifetimes. That said, our buddy boat has one, which came with the boat, and love it, running it whenever they're motoring. I've priced out watermakers and the actual cost comes to well over 50 cents per gallon unless you are making huge quantities. In my opinion they only make sense if you have small water tanks or spend a lot of time in the boondocks. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... If I try, I can usually get a Winlink connect at 1400 bytes/sec which is a fairly good rate, even for longer messages. We download a 25K GRIB file every day, usually with no problems. Winlink is very good about piecing together broken messages. If the GRIB transmission deteriorates to below 600 BPS, I disconnect and try another PMBO gateway station. Winlink automatically picks up where it left off and completes the transmission. It's a great service and a good example of how ham radio can still be useful in the 21st century. Interesting, indeed. Is there a setting for that, or is that perhaps just downloads? It's always uploads which are troublesome for me (don't download all that much) and EVERY time I make nearly all the way through - including ALL the way through other than the handshake/confirmation at the end - and I lose the connection, it starts over from the beginning on my next successful connection.... L8R Skip, off Shroud Cay -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... There is one PMBO in Florida who almost never picks up on "5 rings" but has an otherwise excellent station. I believe he keeps his rigs on standby and requires a certain amount of time to get them back on the air. If you connect immediately after he signs off with someone else, his rig connects immediately. The first 4 stations I try are in FL from this location. Know which it is? Thanks. L8R Skip, off Shroud Cay -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) |
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:56:44 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: There is one PMBO in Florida who almost never picks up on "5 rings" but has an otherwise excellent station. I believe he keeps his rigs on standby and requires a certain amount of time to get them back on the air. If you connect immediately after he signs off with someone else, his rig connects immediately. The first 4 stations I try are in FL from this location. Know which it is? Sure. November Zero India Alpha in Deltona, FL. One of the best PMBO stations on Winlink in my opinion but frequently slow to connect. |
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:20:12 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: If I try, I can usually get a Winlink connect at 1400 bytes/sec which is a fairly good rate, even for longer messages. We download a 25K GRIB file every day, usually with no problems. Winlink is very good about piecing together broken messages. If the GRIB transmission deteriorates to below 600 BPS, I disconnect and try another PMBO gateway station. Winlink automatically picks up where it left off and completes the transmission. It's a great service and a good example of how ham radio can still be useful in the 21st century. Interesting, indeed. Is there a setting for that, or is that perhaps just downloads? It's always uploads which are troublesome for me (don't download all that much) and EVERY time I make nearly all the way through - including ALL the way through other than the handshake/confirmation at the end - and I lose the connection, it starts over from the beginning on my next successful connection.... The speed settings are adaptive based on signal strength and error rates. Use only Pactor 3 mode (P3) if at all possible. I rarely do large uploads so I'm not sure if they will pick up again from where they left off. Downloads most definitely do that however. Try November Zero India Alpha in Deltona on 80 meters in Pactor 3 mode. He's slow to connect but very solid. |
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 22:20:12 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: Skip, off Shroud Cay If you have not yet done so, take your dinghy through the northern most creek on Shroud Cay to the east side, find the trail, and climb the hill. It's a great dinghy ride and a great view - best done at high tide. |
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Personally, less complicated is better that is unless you are
the second typ of person who supports use of ssb tx Are you kidding? HF is much simpler than sat phones. No not at all.......... you see I do not look inside the case. I look to reliability, expense, and ease of use. So when I say iridium is more simple campoared to SSB I am not refering to the inside circuits I refer to reliablity, ease of use, overall coast including installation and maintainence hours. Take the new cost of an Iridium phone, antina (dont you just love phonics. every school should be using it) Then take a typical ssb ham set up. Your taking how to ground: use a plate bolted to the hull, rolling foil out everywhere ,or rigging some mouse trap on the shaft. Then antina tunner, and longwire if you have a katch or a back stay hookup. The radio just has toooo many ancilary parts-connections-wires and that all equals: labor to install labor to trouble shoot when it goes fubar labor maintain all the connections that will corrode and give SKip OCD trying to trouble shoot. The irridum is simply just simple, easy, and equally reliable compared to ssb/ham for at sea comm/weahter fax/direct contact to SAR/USCG? call your elderly wife in flordia etc. Unfutunatly, there is a cohort of people with one foot in the grave who love to tinker with crap because it makes them feel smart and they love to do it. Ham Radio geeks...... like CB geeks in the 70s . No difference. I say do your crossword puzzels and stop misleading people and those same guys go around telling people they are not safe and stupid to cruise with out a tx ham radio. Have your fun soldering Heath Kits together but be realistic when it comes to reliable and safe at-sea communication. All I have to do is read your Signature. that tells me there that you are very proud of your ham license and do doubt there is some way to tell the date of issue from the alpha-numeric code. So I will signe with Bob 107/80 That number designates which commercial diving school i graduated from but ya know I dont reallyh give a **** so i dont put it there. Oh how about this Bob, AB RFPNW or BOb MS, BS, BSEd but I dont really feel I need to constantly tell eveyone what a cool guy I am like you and youre not a Sailing/Vessel you are a Sailing/Yacht (S/Y) 73 es sail fast, dave KO4MI S/V Auspicious |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: and those same guys go around telling people they are not safe and stupid to cruise with out a tx ham radio. Have your fun soldering Heath Kits together but be realistic when it comes to reliable and safe at-sea communication. Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. Many also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. We don't have a sat phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. If we were crossing oceans I'd probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else. |
On water in the Bahamas
Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in
offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. *Many also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. *We don't have a sat phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. *If we were crossing oceans I'd probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else. I comend your active mariner life! I also depart philosophically from what is necessary to make ocean or NC voyages. I still believe SSB/Ham installations adds too much clutter and potential problmes to boat to warrent haveing one considering the alternative is has such a smaller "foot priint" on a boat. Yes, many "curisers" ahve SSB/Ham. But why? Tradition? The RDF is gone I think inpart simply because no body could talk on it. LORAN is gone, i think becuase no body can talk on it. BOth have been replaced by the GPS and EPIRB, respectivly. THe only reason ssb on boats is stil here is becuase there is a group of sprots/amature enthusisast who enjoy jaw jacking and then tell everyone who owns a boat they have to have one to be safe. Its like a cult similar to Amway or Scientology. Its a club gone birkshire..... I sail with: Barometer sextant GPS EPIRB VHF Iridium HAM/SSB reciever only. I get ot hear you guys yack, glean info and then turn you off! I also get weather fax that goes to laptop. the receive only radio has nothing but antina and wower supply and it DONT take no 40 Amp circuit to run!!!!!!!! So what happens when all the satalites fall outof the sky............. sextant, DR, barometer, weather fax. Getter on Bra ! There is no purpose for a ssb'ham, or as my swedish step dad who commercial fished all his life called it, the AM set On a boat a SSB has no purpose except intertainment. Bob Rexroth (disabled) Dell tech support Ogden UT |
On water in the Bahamas
"Bob" wrote in message
... Almost all of the pleasure boats that I know who engage in offshore/international cruising have a marine SSB radio aboard, and they are not necessarily ham radio operators although some are. Many also have a sat phone of some sort and an EPIRB. We don't have a sat phone but do have the SSB and EPIRB. If we were crossing oceans I'd probably get the sat phone also, for redundancy if nothing else. I comend your active mariner life! I also depart philosophically from what is necessary to make ocean or NC voyages. I still believe SSB/Ham installations adds too much clutter and potential problmes to boat to warrent haveing one considering the alternative is has such a smaller "foot priint" on a boat. Yes, many "curisers" ahve SSB/Ham. But why? Tradition? The RDF is gone I think inpart simply because no body could talk on it. LORAN is gone, i think becuase no body can talk on it. BOth have been replaced by the GPS and EPIRB, respectivly. THe only reason ssb on boats is stil here is becuase there is a group of sprots/amature enthusisast who enjoy jaw jacking and then tell everyone who owns a boat they have to have one to be safe. Its like a cult similar to Amway or Scientology. Its a club gone birkshire..... I sail with: Barometer sextant GPS EPIRB VHF Iridium HAM/SSB reciever only. I get ot hear you guys yack, glean info and then turn you off! I also get weather fax that goes to laptop. the receive only radio has nothing but antina and wower supply and it DONT take no 40 Amp circuit to run!!!!!!!! So what happens when all the satalites fall outof the sky............. sextant, DR, barometer, weather fax. Getter on Bra ! There is no purpose for a ssb'ham, or as my swedish step dad who commercial fished all his life called it, the AM set On a boat a SSB has no purpose except intertainment. Bob Rexroth (disabled) Dell tech support Ogden UT =======================[REPLY]====================== Right on, brother! Skippy has cluttered up his cruising experience with all manner of unnecessary and burdensome crap. It indicates to me that he is still loathe to cut the lubber umbilical that still binds him tightly to shore side hassles. Wilbur Hubbard |
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