http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huirloop.html (Dated material)


Better go sailing, Joe. Get some much needed experience with "giant' 6-foot
seas.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:59:52 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huirloop.html (Dated material)


Better go sailing, Joe. Get some much needed experience with "giant' 6-foot
seas.


Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur, why don't you give this nonsense a rest for a while. It's
really not interesting to anyone but you. At least Joe was out
sailing. You should be also.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 11:59:52 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huirloop.html (Dated material)


Better go sailing, Joe. Get some much needed experience with "giant'
6-foot
seas.


Wilbur Hubbard


Wilbur, why don't you give this nonsense a rest for a while. It's
really not interesting to anyone but you. At least Joe was out
sailing. You should be also.




You and I (and Joe) have a different definition of 'sailing'. Mine does not
include 'sinking'. Yours and Joe's seems to. Sad! I consider it my duty to
provide a counterpoint to those who fail and then justify their failure as
something that is bound to happen when one is doing a thing.

Whenever anybody justifies total failure by stating something dumb like, "At
least I was out there doing it," then I conclude that they have little or no
idea what the word 'success' means nor do they even strive to succeed. They
would rather fail and laud themselves for trying and failing as if that were
something to be proud of. In this manner they actually SET THEMSELVES UP FOR
FAILURE!

I would caution those who might be lured by this kind of stupidity to stand
fast, turn and follow a more sensible path.

I adamantly reject this kind of flawed thinking for these and other valid
reasons. It further rankles when Joe, the failure, struts around acting like
he's some sort of authority on success. What a joke! The man's a loser who
needs to shut his pathetic pie hole.



Wilbur Hubbard

Hating to fluff Wilbur's feathers, but I saw the back of someone's T-shirt
at Mangoes' brunch buffet last Sunday:

"The world cares little of the storms you've encountered. The world wants
only to know, 'Did you bring the ship safely into port?' "

Having had a stainless steel basket ride out of a storm, I'm not pointing
fingers - just commiserating :{))

And, the rocky shelf aside, we and the boat were doing fine, so, had it not
been for that, we would have (and, for that matter, did, later, but I don't
think that was the flavor of the quote)... :{))

L8R

Skip, still in Marsh Harbour awaiting the right weather window, which looks
to be Tuesday, having migrated from Sunday and Monday, successively...

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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
...
Hating to fluff Wilbur's feathers, but I saw the back of someone's T-shirt
at Mangoes' brunch buffet last Sunday:

"The world cares little of the storms you've encountered. The world wants
only to know, 'Did you bring the ship safely into port?' "

Having had a stainless steel basket ride out of a storm, I'm not pointing
fingers - just commiserating :{))

And, the rocky shelf aside, we and the boat were doing fine, so, had it
not
been for that, we would have (and, for that matter, did, later, but I
don't
think that was the flavor of the quote)... :{))

L8R

Skip, still in Marsh Harbour awaiting the right weather window, which
looks
to be Tuesday, having migrated from Sunday and Monday, successively...



In your defense and perhaps Joe's, it is easy to get caught up in this
rescue madness. Witness the poor bloke on the 'Satori.'
http://www.westsail.org/satori.html

Rescue services exist to rescue. They need people to practice on just to
hone their skills. I think they actually appreciate some degree of sailor
ineptitude so they can justify their very expensive existence. They sucker
or guile people into being their guinea pigs. Joe fell for it and you
apparently fell for it, too even when there was little real danger to you or
the vessel.


I'll drown rather than allow this sort of rescue. No EPIRB for this sailor.
There are far worse things than dying at sea. And, besides, counting on
being rescued makes a sailor slovenly and stupid.


Wilbur Hubbard

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:58:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Skip, still in Marsh Harbour awaiting the right weather window, which looks
to be Tuesday, having migrated from Sunday and Monday, successively...

Skip, you need to find your way farther south. We were in George Town
two weeks ago, Turks and Caicos one week ago with your friends Jeff
and Kami on Seahawk, south coast of Puerto Rico this week, and St
Croix tonight. The weather has been unbelievably good once south of
T&C.

We're heading for St Martin on Monday, and then more down island later
in the week. Our goal is to be in Grenada in a couple of weeks and
then slowly work our way back north.

http://tinyurl.com/waynebspottrack

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:18:22 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

You and I (and Joe) have a different definition of 'sailing'. Mine does not
include 'sinking'.

Right on with that. Get out there and do it, sailing that is.

You're becoming like some of those liveaboard boats in Boot Key with
two feet of grass hanging off their bottom.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:58:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote:

Skip, still in Marsh Harbour awaiting the right weather window, which
looks
to be Tuesday, having migrated from Sunday and Monday, successively...

Skip, you need to find your way farther south. We were in George Town
two weeks ago, Turks and Caicos one week ago with your friends Jeff
and Kami on Seahawk, south coast of Puerto Rico this week, and St
Croix tonight. The weather has been unbelievably good once south of
T&C.

We're heading for St Martin on Monday, and then more down island later
in the week. Our goal is to be in Grenada in a couple of weeks and
then slowly work our way back north.

http://tinyurl.com/waynebspottrack

Hi, Wayne, and all, retitling this as the thread wanders...

Well, the time approacheth, it appeareth, as the weather window looks
favorable for this week.

We'd originally thought to do Fleeming and Ship's channels, but are now
looking at going around Eleuthera, the better to not have to deal with
daylight issues with the channels (timing is everything!) and, by my
calculation, anyway, making for a shorter trip in the end. Current weather
has both routes very similar in winds and waves, so, aside from no place to
hide, it's a bit of a coin toss, but without having to pick our way, I
expect the trip would be quite a bit faster outside.

Our current thinking is to stop for a while in GT, then work our way south,
perhaps to the T&Cs, even, before working our way back north again as the
weather warms, thence to head south again as it cools. Because we don't
expect to be back this way in the boat before we get off it, we really don't
want to just hurry for the sake of getting to the EC, and, so, may take
another year or more after the Bahamas to get to the Virgins (well, US and
British - we'll visit the PR ones as well) and then south.

Our thought has always been to work our way along the TP (not toilet paper -
Thorny Path) during the fall and winter to avoid the headwinds, taking
advantage of the frequent northers. Wayne, your comments seem to confirm
our thoughts. Since you're posting, I presume you have internet. I know
you've got a system similar in capability to ours; what's been your
experience with open sites along the way down?

L8R, y'all

Skip and crew
PS workng on a log for our time since we got here; stand by :{))

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(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in
its hand
(Richard Bach)

Hi, Wilbur, and list, retitling for thread consistency,

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
In your defense and perhaps Joe's, it is easy to get caught up in this
rescue madness. Witness the poor bloke on the 'Satori.'
http://www.westsail.org/satori.html

Rescue services exist to rescue. They need people to practice on just to
hone their skills. I think they actually appreciate some degree of sailor
ineptitude so they can justify their very expensive existence. They sucker
or guile people into being their guinea pigs. Joe fell for it and you
apparently fell for it, too even when there was little real danger to you
or the vessel.

Agreed. We were uncomfortable, but we couldn't have drowned if we'd tried
(hard to drown on an otherwise dry shelf! - especially when the only water
getting into the boat came around a tranducer core) :{))

As to falling for it, we were a bit busy, and unaware of our realities at
the time, so didn't argue the point when the CG asked TowBoatUS if they
should deploy an asset; his immediate and firm response was that they
should. From the sound of things inside, it sounded like the boat was
breaking up (it wasn't, just doing some delamination damage as seen in my
logs and pix of the time, right at 3 years ago, now - but the salvors, to a
man, expected to carry us off in body bags; instead, we floated on our own
bottom, and our bilge pumps kept up with the level of water coming in), and
we didn't know if we were in danger of actual sinking. That the TBUS guy
was immediate and firm in his response, and in a far better position of
knowledge and assessment than we didn't lead us to question the evac :{))

However, to your point, two things: First, during our salvage, there was a
helo doing a training mission over us. As I was below removing electronics
as the salvage crew was doing their prep work, I was unaware of it, but you
can see some of the pix they took in my gallery. They had to come all the
way from MIA, so, presumably, it was a valuable exercise. Second, the
elation and joy on the face of every one of the crew when we landed at KWW,
the request for pix and home movies and the like, suggest that we were a
rarity - a chance to do it for real. It obviously was a great rush for
them.



I'll drown rather than allow this sort of rescue. No EPIRB for this
sailor. There are far worse things than dying at sea. And, besides,
counting on being rescued makes a sailor slovenly and stupid.

Heh. We not only didn't "count on" being rescued, didn't have any thought
of asking for an evac. Like Satori, and other stories we've heard of other
evacs while cruising, even if it's just a crew member with a legitimate
injury or other life-threatening issue, if the CG comes out, it's "everyone
off the boat, if we have to hold guns to your heads to enforce it" - and,
like Satori, most boats, if they're not actually sinking, survive to be
found later. Our story ended well; in fact, in so many ways it's difficult
to count (see logs from the time), it was the best thing that could have
happened to us. We're better sailors, and, ironically, financially
enhanced, after all is said and done.


L8R, y'all...

Skip and crew


--
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SV Flying Pig KI4MPC
See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery !
Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog
and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog

"You are never given a wish without also being given the power to
make it come true. You may have to work for it however."
(and)
"There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in
its hand
(Richard Bach)

In your defense and perhaps Joe's, it is easy to get caught up in this
rescue madness. Witness the poor bloke on the 'Satori.'http://www.westsail.org/satori.html

Wilbur Hubbard


To comments:

I read the Westsail link. Just another example of old guys not keeping
up on best proceedures and bosting of their past accomplishments,
Lying a hull is DISASTER in any seas larger than your beam. Thy will
be rolled. Heavy weather sailing requirres a progressive set of
stratigies. Lying a hull is great for a nice sunny family outing not a
survival stratgy.


Second, to the arrogant ass last year who criticized me for keeping my
valise SOLAS life raft INSIDE my boat please read the following
fromthe Sarori link:


................Satori was riding out the seas when a second knockdown
occurred. ...The boat went over approximately ninety degrees and again
righted herself. During this knockdown the life raft was torn from its
deck mount. Hitting the water the raft -- as designed -- inflated
immediately and its strobe light began flashing.....


tha is precisly why I keep the valise inside my boat. where It does
not have to suffer blistering 150+F temprature baking in a can on deck
for 10 years.

Also, less prone to theft.

Pennnington Ralph Rexroth