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I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today.
Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ehhh...
as a kid I climbed the tallest tree I could find, and went as far as it would support me, and then made it sway as much as I could. I rather enjoy it up the mast :{)) L8R Skip, about to prove the point when I replace the VHF cable up there when I get back in 5 weeks or so (haven't left yet...) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) |
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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... ehhh... as a kid I climbed the tallest tree I could find, and went as far as it would support me, and then made it sway as much as I could. I rather enjoy it up the mast :{)) L8R Skip, about to prove the point when I replace the VHF cable up there when I get back in 5 weeks or so (haven't left yet...) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) I did the same stuff ... when I was a kid. :-) -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to go up except in the marina. I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
. .. "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to go up except in the marina. I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water. I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "Flying Pig" wrote in message ... ehhh... as a kid I climbed the tallest tree I could find, and went as far as it would support me, and then made it sway as much as I could. I rather enjoy it up the mast :{)) L8R Skip, about to prove the point when I replace the VHF cable up there when I get back in 5 weeks or so (haven't left yet...) I did the same stuff ... when I was a kid. :-) But I always needed a cube or two of acid. Then I was bulletproof -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Figures |
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On 12/13/09 3:19 PM, cavelamb wrote:
I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... And the lightning. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. Naw, it was ok, just scary as hell. I'll pay someone to replace the holding tank hose... |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. Naw, it was ok, just scary as hell. I'll pay someone to replace the holding tank hose... Heh... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to go up except in the marina. I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water. I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness. I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit. |
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... On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message m... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to go up except in the marina. I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water. I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness. I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit. The shots you get can be pretty amazing. I like the ones straight down. I'll have a get someone to do that next time. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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easolutions... The shots you get can be pretty amazing. I like the ones straight down. I'll have a get someone to do that next time. -- "j" ganz Do you still get the urge to fly? Bwahahhahahahahhahaha. -- Gregory Hall |
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Heh... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com My solution to the problem was to go to PVC. It survived our wreck - it will surely survive anything you can throw at it in regular use. I wasn't smart enough yet - I learned more at the aft head - so my forward head has a small section of the best head hose there is between the toilet and the pipe in the wall (perhaps 8" total), and at the Y (two more short sections), one from the holding tank and the other to the through hull. Perhaps one day I'll make up the section of PVC to take away the section at the head; the other is a bit more challenging, so likely I'll not bother. My gallery has detailed pix on both installations in our initial refit section, but I'm a bit pushed for time, so I apologize for not having the specific section/pix to direct you to see it. Suffice to say that there are NO hose points in my aft head. "Head smell" is a thing of the past on Flying Pig, forever. WAY cheaper than that fancy hose, too, and a full 1.5" inside... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) |
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I'll pay someone to replace the holding tank hose... Heh... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com My solution to the problem was to go to PVC. It survived our wreck - it will surely survive anything you can throw at it in regular use. I wasn't smart enough yet - I learned more at the aft head - so my forward head has a small section of the best head hose there is between the toilet and the pipe in the wall (perhaps 8" total), and at the Y (two more short sections), one from the holding tank and the other to the through hull. Perhaps one day I'll make up the section of PVC to take away the section at the head; the other is a bit more challenging, so likely I'll not bother. My gallery has detailed pix on both installations in our initial refit section, but I'm a bit pushed for time, so I apologize for not having the specific section/pix to direct you to see it. Suffice to say that there are NO hose points in my aft head. "Head smell" is a thing of the past on Flying Pig, forever. WAY cheaper than that fancy hose, too, and a full 1.5" inside... L8R Skip I read that in a previous message, Skip. But I haven't dug through all your photos in quite a while. Someday you need to organize and index that mess! That will keep until you retire, though. :) A question? How does one connect to the tank outlet and (in my case) macerator pump inlet using PVC? |
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"Flying Pig" wrote in message
... I'll pay someone to replace the holding tank hose... Heh... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com My solution to the problem was to go to PVC. It survived our wreck - it will surely survive anything you can throw at it in regular use. I wasn't smart enough yet - I learned more at the aft head - so my forward head has a small section of the best head hose there is between the toilet and the pipe in the wall (perhaps 8" total), and at the Y (two more short sections), one from the holding tank and the other to the through hull. Perhaps one day I'll make up the section of PVC to take away the section at the head; the other is a bit more challenging, so likely I'll not bother. My gallery has detailed pix on both installations in our initial refit section, but I'm a bit pushed for time, so I apologize for not having the specific section/pix to direct you to see it. Suffice to say that there are NO hose points in my aft head. "Head smell" is a thing of the past on Flying Pig, forever. WAY cheaper than that fancy hose, too, and a full 1.5" inside... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) I thought about converting to the PVC solution, but there's currently no problem, so I'm going to wait until the hoses need to be changed. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Now think about a sixteen-year-old girl doing that in the great Southern Ocean... Tom |
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How does one connect to the tank outlet and (in my case) macerator pump inlet using PVC? Hi, Richard, The standard hose outlet fitting takes, of course, 1.5" hose. That hose OD is exactly the outside diameter of 1.5" pipe. So, I put a sleeve of hose on the barb fitting. making it exactly match the end of the barb fitting. I make the connection a tight butt (in our aft through-hull, it was a slight - maybe 3* - off-line, so I shaved the end of the pipe, very carefully, to the proper angle to make it a tight butt fitting). A standard waste pipe rubber coupling sleeve goes over both. Liberal application of KY equivalent or teflon grease will allow later moving, as was the case in my forward head, where I changed out the Y valve, and my aft head, in which I replaced everything but the bowl - loosen the clamps, slide the coupling up on the PVC to get it out of the way, and do what you need to do. Slide it back down to reinstall. In addition to the standard two hose clamps supplied with the coupling, I put another right over the butt. That prevents any seepage from getting to the rest of the coupling. NO possibility of odor transfer. When I took off my couplings to do my work on both heads, once the other end was out of the way, I pulled off the coupling and looked inside. Not a mark of seepage on either one... Odor-safe or whatever the white hose marketer is, in their website, sells PVC connectors which are the right size for attaching a hose; even they recommend PVC where possible. Since, other than in the forward head, I didn't have any hose points, that was irrelevant. In the forward head, where I had a small section of hose into the wall, I just took a standard hardware fitting (screws into the threaded coupling in the PVC) and ground off the barbs until the 1.5" hose fit it, something I learned from seeing it on some other application when I got the boat. When I redo that front head part, I'll unthread the coupling and replace it with straight PVC, making my bends as needed to match up perfectly with the toilet outlet, using the same sleeve idea to make the rubber coupling fit. When I rebuild the pump, all I'll have to do is slide the coupling up the PVC, and remove it, if just undoing the bolts on the joker holder isn't sufficient. One other hint, also long-ago discussed here with Peggie, is that we very aggressively flush with raw water after each use. That helps move any urine products through the system, minimizing scale formation. We then also dry pump aggressively to empty the pipe to the anti-siphon. PVC will take muriatic acid and vinegar with aplomb (get your plomb here, folks, going fast!), so we do that regularly, too. Of course, we have no proof, but I'd bet a bunch that we have no scale in our pipes... HTH L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) |
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Flying Pig wrote:
One other hint, also long-ago discussed here with Peggie, is that we very aggressively flush with raw water after each use. That helps move any urine products through the system, minimizing scale formation. We then also dry pump aggressively to empty the pipe to the anti-siphon. PVC will take muriatic acid and vinegar with aplomb (get your plomb here, folks, going fast!), so we do that regularly, too. Of course, we have no proof, but I'd bet a bunch that we have no scale in our pipes... HTH L8R Skip Thanks, Skip. I'll take a look at it in that light... |
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Tom Dacon wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Now think about a sixteen-year-old girl doing that in the great Southern Ocean... Tom girl, boy? When i was 16 free climbing the mast to scare my parents was great fun. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Tom Dacon wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Now think about a sixteen-year-old girl doing that in the great Southern Ocean... Tom girl, boy? When i was 16 free climbing the mast to scare my parents was great fun. I'm pretty sure you were doing it at the dock or in mild conditions. I've spent a little time at the masthead myself underway, taking pictures and generally enjoying the scenery, but I've been up there other times when I came down exhausted and black and blue all over my chest and the insides of my thighs. What I was thinking about when I made my original comment was the latest of the stunt around-the-world sailors, Zac Sunderland's 16-year-old younger sister, who's putting together a non-stop around-the-world voyage, and imagining her having to do that in heavy wind and large seas down in the roaring 40's. If you've read any accounts of single-handed stunts like that, you've read about some of those occasions. Tom |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:45:39 -0500, "Flying Pig"
wrote: A question? How does one connect to the tank outlet and (in my case) macerator pump inlet using PVC? Hi, Richard, The standard hose outlet fitting takes, of course, 1.5" hose. That hose OD is exactly the outside diameter of 1.5" pipe. So, I put a sleeve of hose on the barb fitting. making it exactly match the end of the barb fitting. I make the connection a tight butt (in our aft through-hull, it was a slight - maybe 3* - off-line, so I shaved the end of the pipe, very carefully, to the proper angle to make it a tight butt fitting). A standard waste pipe rubber coupling sleeve goes over both. Liberal application of KY equivalent or teflon grease will allow later moving, as was the case in my forward head, where I changed out the Y valve, and my aft head, in which I replaced everything but the bowl - loosen the clamps, slide the coupling up on the PVC to get it out of the way, and do what you need to do. Slide it back down to reinstall. In addition to the standard two hose clamps supplied with the coupling, I put another right over the butt. That prevents any seepage from getting to the rest of the coupling. NO possibility of odor transfer. When I took off my couplings to do my work on both heads, once the other end was out of the way, I pulled off the coupling and looked inside. Not a mark of seepage on either one... Odor-safe or whatever the white hose marketer is, in their website, sells PVC connectors which are the right size for attaching a hose; even they recommend PVC where possible. Since, other than in the forward head, I didn't have any hose points, that was irrelevant. In the forward head, where I had a small section of hose into the wall, I just took a standard hardware fitting (screws into the threaded coupling in the PVC) and ground off the barbs until the 1.5" hose fit it, something I learned from seeing it on some other application when I got the boat. When I redo that front head part, I'll unthread the coupling and replace it with straight PVC, making my bends as needed to match up perfectly with the toilet outlet, using the same sleeve idea to make the rubber coupling fit. When I rebuild the pump, all I'll have to do is slide the coupling up the PVC, and remove it, if just undoing the bolts on the joker holder isn't sufficient. One other hint, also long-ago discussed here with Peggie, is that we very aggressively flush with raw water after each use. That helps move any urine products through the system, minimizing scale formation. We then also dry pump aggressively to empty the pipe to the anti-siphon. PVC will take muriatic acid and vinegar with aplomb (get your plomb here, folks, going fast!), so we do that regularly, too. Of course, we have no proof, but I'd bet a bunch that we have no scale in our pipes... HTH L8R Skip Which brings up a question I have always wondered abut. When flushing a toilet connected directly to the ocean one pumps flushing water through the system until, it is hoped, all evidence of one's actions have been eliminated. But how about when one is using a holding tank. Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank rather rapidly On my own system which has the toilet mounted with the top of the bowl just above the water line, using the normal anti-siphon "loop", it takes ten strokes of the pump to pump water completely through the system. I have no idea what the volume of the pump is but I suspect that ten strokes is a lot more then the approximately 1 qt. that I see in the usual holding tank capacity calculations. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:57 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank rather rapidly Yes it will. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:31:57 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:23:16 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:56:30 -0500, wrote: On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 16:37:27 -0800, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message news:2_6dndWmU80y4bjWnZ2dnUVZ876dnZ2d@telenor .com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "cavelamb" wrote in message m... I had to go up and reinstall an errant jib halyard today. Now I know why a kitten stuck in a tree waits for the fire department to come get him down... It's not so much the height - as the sway... Yeah. I would rather pay someone else to do that if at all possible. I don't mind it at all but my boat is very stable and I have never had to go up except in the marina. I had a good laugh some time ago when my brother climbed the mast of a boat that was raher too small for his weight and watched him as she slowly started to heel until he had to let go and drop into the water. I went up the mast (part-way) in the Med a long time ago to change a steaming light. It wasn't pleasant at all, and there was hardly any wind or rocking. Now, I refuse to go unless it's an emergency (so far so good). Took me 1/2 day to recover from seasickness. I guess it's not for everybody. I like going up, and everybody in the marina knows it. I get invited quite often. Standing on the edge of a roof bothers me, but for some reason, I'm not bothered in the slightest going up a mast. I now have a system for getting up the mast on my boat without any help, and I've considered the idea of going up just to take pictures in nice anchorages I visit. Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:57 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank rather rapidly Yes it will. And a small tank fills in a hurry. |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
... wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard I've heard it's pretty straight-forward... you mostly use your legs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Professional steeple jacks sometimes use a similar rig with a small bosuns chair that goes up with them. I talked with one of them once (on the ground) and he was a rock climber in his spare time. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message ... wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard I've heard it's pretty straight-forward... you mostly use your legs. I kinda doubt that's all that it takes. Even with a belly strap around the mast, there would simply be too much possible motion for my comfort. And I suspect you'd have to hold on with hands as well. All fun aside, I don't mind going up on a rope. But climbing a rope ladder? Definitely *not* fun. I know that one. Done it in and out of helicopters too many times. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Professional steeple jacks sometimes use a similar rig with a small bosuns chair that goes up with them. I talked with one of them once (on the ground) and he was a rock climber in his spare time. Would he like to crew? |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard I had one of those "rope ladder" things once. It was on a boat that I bought and on first inspection I thought it was a great idea. then I tried it out. If you aren't on dry land you need to tie off the bottom and then tension the "ladder"; and even then it still sags off. Once you get up there you are standing in fabric loops that not only support you but also compress your foot so it becomes uncomfortable to work after a very short time. My suspicion is that they probably work if you just want to go up and clear a caught halyard but as far as doing any real work up there they are a waste of time. Try doing a job that takes several hours - such as cutting and fitting new upper shroud plates, or fitting a plate to the top of the mast to hold your new raz-a-mataz VHF antenna and re;positioning the tri-color to clear the new antenna. A couple of hours in those fabric stirrups and you're a cripple. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:05:19 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: A couple of hours in those fabric stirrups and you're a cripple. If you go up wearing a seat harness, you can clip off on that once you're on top. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:28:22 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:57 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok wrote: Doesn't all this flushing tend to fill up the tank rather rapidly Yes it will. And a small tank fills in a hurry. According to my Jabsco toilet instruction manual it takes 7 pump strokes per meter of hose. Lets see, if the hose is 1.5 inch (I believe Skip said) then one meter is equal to about 1140 cubic centimeters, or slightly more then a liter. So, if the hose between the toilet and the holding tank is 1 meter long it is a minimum of a liter a flush. If, on the other hand, it is longer then a meter and there is an anti-siphon loop then.... It appears that bigger IS better... Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard ??? My hands are both free at any point where I stop. It's nothing like a "rope ladder" One huge advantage over mast steps is that by rigging things differently, I can ascend up along the forestay, backstay, or out to the ends of the spreaders. I can reach any point above the deck of my boat that might require access. And unlike being hauled up in a bosun's chair the traditional way, I can stand up out of my bosun's chair so I can see what I'm doing when working at the top of the mast. I'm over the top looking down. A bosun's chair normally winched up, stops with your head lower than the top of the mast. |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:39:07 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Professional steeple jacks sometimes use a similar rig with a small bosuns chair that goes up with them. I talked with one of them once (on the ground) and he was a rock climber in his spare time. I'm related to the founder of this company, which climbs things more challenging than your average church steeple. He gave me some of the equipment in my rig. More importantly, he gave me a copy of the company safety manual he wrote, which is a pretty thick book. http://www.vertical-access.com/ |
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:58:57 -0600, cavelamb
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "cavelamb" wrote in message ... wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard I've heard it's pretty straight-forward... you mostly use your legs. I kinda doubt that's all that it takes. Jon is correct. Even with a belly strap around the mast, there would simply be too much possible motion for my comfort. What motion? The static line you are climbing is anchored top and bottom, and is winched very tight. You aren't going anywhere execpt up and down. And I suspect you'd have to hold on with hands as well. You can let go with both hands at any point, and you never have to hold onto anything other than the ascenders while climbing up or down. All fun aside, I don't mind going up on a rope. But climbing a rope ladder? Definitely *not* fun. I know that one. Done it in and out of helicopters too many times. Once again, this is not a rope ladder. I wouldn't use one of those either. |
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:05:19 +0700, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote: On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:26:21 -0600, cavelamb wrote: wrote: Mast steps? Nope. You have a modified Top Climber ? as I recall... Completely my own creation. No Top Climber components used. Same idea, but using better components and several design improvements. No offense intended, but i can't imagine actually trying to use that. A bosun's chair on a rope is one thing. Your hands are (more or less) free to do something. But climbing up what amounts to a rope ladder and trying to do anything beyond snapping pictures is way beyond me. Richard I had one of those "rope ladder" things once. It was on a boat that I bought and on first inspection I thought it was a great idea. then I tried it out. If you aren't on dry land you need to tie off the bottom and then tension the "ladder"; and even then it still sags off. Once you get up there you are standing in fabric loops that not only support you but also compress your foot so it becomes uncomfortable to work after a very short time. My suspicion is that they probably work if you just want to go up and clear a caught halyard but as far as doing any real work up there they are a waste of time. Try doing a job that takes several hours - such as cutting and fitting new upper shroud plates, or fitting a plate to the top of the mast to hold your new raz-a-mataz VHF antenna and re;positioning the tri-color to clear the new antenna. A couple of hours in those fabric stirrups and you're a cripple. Cheers, It would be nice if you had some idea about what my rig is like. I sit in a very comfortable bosun's seat with a solid and padded bottom, and I have wide, solid footboards to stand on, just like you would have on a wooden step ladder. I could take a nap up there. |
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