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I'm surprised that none of the anoni-mice have popped up yet to point
out that my 1500-2000 miles of sailing this summer weren't real
cruising because,

* I have a roller furling headsail.
* I have a powerful and reliable diesel instead of a "blue water"
outboard bolted on the transom with a rusty bracket.
* I failed to properly reinforce my boom by inserting a piece of rusty
pipe in it after folding it in half.
* My boat isn't painted yellow for better visibility when semi-
permanently anchored in front of waterfront Florida dives.

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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

I'm surprised that none of the anoni-mice have popped up yet to point
out that my 1500-2000 miles of sailing this summer weren't real
cruising because,

* I have a roller furling headsail.
* I have a powerful and reliable diesel instead of a "blue water"
outboard bolted on the transom with a rusty bracket.
* I failed to properly reinforce my boom by inserting a piece of rusty
pipe in it after folding it in half.
* My boat isn't painted yellow for better visibility when semi-
permanently anchored in front of waterfront Florida dives.

Awfuly insecure, and attention starved, aren't you. Can't you just
enjoy sailing for it's own sake, without worrying about who is really
a sailor by some dubious ad hoc set of standards?

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I'm surprised that none of the anoni-mice have popped up yet to point
out that my 1500-2000 miles of sailing this summer weren't real
cruising because,

* I have a roller furling headsail.
* I have a powerful and reliable diesel instead of a "blue water"
outboard bolted on the transom with a rusty bracket.
* I failed to properly reinforce my boom by inserting a piece of rusty
pipe in it after folding it in half.
* My boat isn't painted yellow for better visibility when semi-
permanently anchored in front of waterfront Florida dives.

Would suggest you move to the UK where all of these things are totally
acceptable! There might be a problem with diesel at $8/gallon but a man of
your vast wealth would take it in his stride!

Dennis.

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NIce to know you're still hanging around here.

Roger

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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:09:28 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

I'm surprised that none of the anoni-mice have popped up yet to point
out that my 1500-2000 miles of sailing this summer weren't real
cruising because,

* I have a roller furling headsail.
* I have a powerful and reliable diesel instead of a "blue water"
outboard bolted on the transom with a rusty bracket.
* I failed to properly reinforce my boom by inserting a piece of rusty
pipe in it after folding it in half.
* My boat isn't painted yellow for better visibility when semi-
permanently anchored in front of waterfront Florida dives.

Awfuly insecure, and attention starved, aren't you. Can't you just
enjoy sailing for it's own sake, without worrying about who is really
a sailor by some dubious ad hoc set of standards?

We could reenact the recent spirited discussion about what it takes to
do long range cruising. :-)

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On Sep 26, 9:09*am, wrote:

Awfuly insecure, and attention starved, aren't you. Can't you just
enjoy sailing for it's own sake,

Nice to know you are still haning around he

If you were enjoying sailing, would you be so cranky? I'm smiling ear
to ear even reading drivel like this.

Roger

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On Sep 26, 10:38*am, Wayne.B wrote:

We could reenact the recent spirited discussion about what it takes to
do long range cruising.

Or we could talk about slips vs. moorings.

I decided to just use the mooring this summer since I expected to be
away a lot more than I was and was looking forward to having my boat
always hanging off on her pendant instead of worrying about fenders
chafing the topsides.

Wow, was I ever wrong. The tide runs hard through the channel where my
mooring is and it seems like the boat is always pushed hard ahead
against the ball with the wakes sawing it up and down. I had a line
set up at the marina dock such that the fenders hardly ever touched
and the gelcoat has gotten more wear in this one summer than three
seasons at the marina dock.

In addition, the constant wetting of the lower topsides by the
constant wake and chop in my rather exposed mooring location have
resulted in a nearly foot wide band of green growth above the boot
top. I also used to hose the boat down at least once a week and after
hard sails at the marina. The effects of the salt sitting on the boat
at the mooring are quite evident. The boat looks like she's been
ridden hard but I did run 1500 - 2000 miles of water under the keel
this summer.

Hopefully, I'll only be on the mooring for a couple weeks before and
after a summer long cruise next season. If I do end up having to stay
close to home, the price of a marina slip is not going to seem as high
as it did last spring.

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"Roger Long" wrote in message
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On Sep 26, 10:38 am, Wayne.B wrote:

We could reenact the recent spirited discussion about what it takes to
do long range cruising.

Or we could talk about slips vs. moorings.

I decided to just use the mooring this summer since I expected to be
away a lot more than I was and was looking forward to having my boat
always hanging off on her pendant instead of worrying about fenders
chafing the topsides.

Wow, was I ever wrong. The tide runs hard through the channel where my
mooring is and it seems like the boat is always pushed hard ahead
against the ball with the wakes sawing it up and down. I had a line
set up at the marina dock such that the fenders hardly ever touched
and the gelcoat has gotten more wear in this one summer than three
seasons at the marina dock.

That is an interesting comment about moorings. Why do you let your boat get
pushed up against the ball due to washes?
I was on a mooring when I lived in Uk and always hauled my boat hard up to
the ball so it was lifted just out of the water, hanging there just under
the stem with a rope through the ring and brought back aboard to make fast.
so the rope was pretty tight.
I used to put another (loose) line through as well in case of chafe of the
first one during heavy gales.. Never had any problem. Slept well ashore
regardless of weather.with that setup and the boat always lay head to wind
or tide whichever was the stronger and washes made no difference..
Now I am in Norway and most boats here are in marinas but all the ones I
have seen on moorings are for some reason tied to the buoy with at least 10'
of rope so the boat is forever sailing around its buoy and nobody seems ever
to think about the possibility of chafe setting their boat adrift.
I think that is crazy but despite the huge washes from the uncontrolled
powerboats that abound here I have never seen a boat growing weed above the
waterline as you mention.

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On Sep 26, 1:52*pm, "Edgar" wrote:

I was on a mooring when I lived in Uk and always hauled my boat hard up to
the ball so it was lifted just out of the water, hanging there just under
the stem with a rope through the ring and brought back aboard to make fast.

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On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:05:54 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

My mooring really isn't in an place appropriate for a mooring but it's
off a beach a few minutes walk from my house. In bad weather, I take
the boat to a protected cove and stay on it or move it around into
town. That's what I'll be doing first thing in the morning, probably
in the rain, ugh. It's going to blow 40 knots later straight up the
harbor mouth which doesn't happen too often.

One of the oldest and most respected clubs on Long Island Sound uses
no mooring balls at all. The chain rests completely on the bottom
when not in use and the rope pennants are semi-suspended with a small
floating pick-up whip. They've been doing it that way for many years
and it totally solves the issue with mooring ball chafe on the
topsides. The only downside is that if you lose the pickup stick
someone has to dive down and retrieve the pennants or grapple for
them.

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On Sep 26, 10:11*pm, Wayne.B wrote:

One of the oldest and most respected clubs on Long Island Sound uses
no mooring balls at all. *

Interesting idea. Something about the "no balls" part gives me pause
though:)

My mooring isn't in the town where I am harbormaster and they have
written mooring standards so it would be quite a paper chase to do
something different.

The answer, which I fully intend to implement next year, it to only be
on the mooring a few days in the spring while preparing for departure
and a few days on return before hauling.
If something comes up that prevents me from taking a long cruise, I'll
probably find another location.

Roger

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On Sep 26, 6:23*am, Roger Long wrote:

I'm surprised

* I have
* I have a
* I failed to properly
* My boat

Im glad to know you have a well develped self concept. your words are
remakably similar to Wilbur's.
Bob

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Roger Long wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the anoni-mice have popped up yet to point
out that my 1500-2000 miles of sailing this summer weren't real
cruising because,

* I have a roller furling headsail.
* I have a powerful and reliable diesel instead of a "blue water"
outboard bolted on the transom with a rusty bracket.
* I failed to properly reinforce my boom by inserting a piece of rusty
pipe in it after folding it in half.
* My boat isn't painted yellow for better visibility when semi-
permanently anchored in front of waterfront Florida dives.

Funny!

And to answer your question, no, things haven't really gotten any better
wrt people living to criticize in this newsgroup, but I never thought it
was a problem in the first place. Just everyday Usenet, which isn't at
all like a bunch of people in a big room where one obnoxious person can
ruin the whole party. It's more like a big magical room where you can
just snap your fingers, click your heels, and make the obnoxious person
disappear if you want. You can also make them reappear and poke them
with a stick once in a while for fun, or throw a pie in their face if
you get bored.

Stephen

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On Sep 27, 7:12*am, Bob wrote:

Something that prompts me to point out:

Uh, Bob, it's the small end of the binoculars that go next to your
eyes.

Roger

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:49:23 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

On Sep 27, 7:12*am, Bob wrote:

Something that prompts me to point out:

Uh, Bob, it's the small end of the binoculars that go next to your
eyes.

Roger


Notice that when Roger decided to lower himself and return to the
group, he entered with a litany of insults aimed at nothing more than
to renew his participation in exactly the same way he left, and stir
up old and long (pun intended) forgotten garbage.

He must think that when he left, the group went into stunned silence
awaiting his majestic return. Oddly enough, while he was gone, there
were some good, on topic, discussions. Even those who traditionally
have spent all their time needling each other, seemed to be able to
converse in an almost friendly fashion while Roger was gone. I wonder
what conclusion might be drawn from that.

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On Sep 27, 1:56*pm, wrote:

Notice that when Roger decided to lower himself and return..

Stephen, pass one of those pies, would you, please:).

Roger

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:56*pm, wrote:

Notice that when Roger decided to lower himself and return..

Stephen, pass one of those pies, would you, please:).

Roger

I guess we'll have to wait for Roger's testosterone attack to end, so
he can then attempt to rejoin a group that has somehow managed just
fine without him. Note that he has YET to post a single post without
it being a troll.

He's no better than Wilbur in that regard. Hopefully, he'll wise up
and straighten out.

So far, he's done nothing but try and stir up trouble. The very
trouble that he claimed was driving him out of here. He was supposedly
going to go to some "more adult" forum. I guess he wore out his
welcome there, too. Or maybe they didn't show enough respect for his
all-encompassing mightiness.

Hopefully, with his world record 2000 mile cruise, he at least has
learned how to operate his VHF.

Maybe he could try posting about his adventures, instead of trying to
drag the group down. We were doing pretty well while he was gone.

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wrote in message
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:16:42 -0700 (PDT), Roger Long
wrote:

On Sep 27, 1:56 pm, wrote:

Notice that when Roger decided to lower himself and return..

Stephen, pass one of those pies, would you, please:).

Roger

I guess we'll have to wait for Roger's testosterone attack to end, so
he can then attempt to rejoin a group that has somehow managed just
fine without him. Note that he has YET to post a single post without
it being a troll.

He's no better than Wilbur in that regard. Hopefully, he'll wise up
and straighten out.

So far, he's done nothing but try and stir up trouble. The very
trouble that he claimed was driving him out of here. He was supposedly
going to go to some "more adult" forum. I guess he wore out his
welcome there, too. Or maybe they didn't show enough respect for his
all-encompassing mightiness.

Hopefully, with his world record 2000 mile cruise, he at least has
learned how to operate his VHF.

Maybe he could try posting about his adventures, instead of trying to
drag the group down. We were doing pretty well while he was gone.



Rogers posts are ALWAYS more interesting and informative than yours are,
Bitty Bill. And, calling somebody else a troll is the height of PKB.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Sep 27, 2:38*pm, wrote:

Maybe he could try posting about his adventures, instead of trying to
drag the group down. We were doing pretty well while he was gone.

Because I write for a magazine that prints articles about most of my
long cruises and maintain a web site, primarily for friends and
family, it seems pointless to repeat much about my cruises here. If
you look in the thread "Dilution is the solution to Pollution" thread,
you'll find links to pictures and accounts. There are even exact GPS
tracks imported into Google Earth files. If so inclined, you can zoom
in and hoot, "Look, look, he was much to close to that rock to be
safe." Hey, read the most recent article and you'll really find
something to hoot about.

It's getting to the time of year though when I'm getting an idea which
memories of the summer will bring a smile to my face in the depths of
winter. For me, it never seems to be the things you would expect, the
perfect day, the great long reach, but odd moments. This year, I
think one will be the sight (barely) of Petit Manan light 8 miles off
the STARBOARD beam on the last week in May. You'll have to hunt
around a bit to find many Maine cruisers who have seen that so early
in the year returning from Quoddy Head. Another was broad reaching
between Petit Manan Light and the bell at 6 - 7 knots alone in lumpy
seas and visibility under 50 yards while the wind vane did it's work
and I stood radar watch. Oh yes, I was talking on the VHF with a
power yacht coming the other way.

I just realized that 'tit Manan figures in both of these but it is
sort of the "Cape Horn" of Maine so rounding it or crossing the bar is
always memorable.

he can then attempt to rejoin a group that has somehow managed just fine without him.

"Attempt to rejoin" when anyone can just post here? Please let us
know which planet you are posting from:)

Roger

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Roger Long wrote:

he can then attempt to rejoin a group that has somehow managed just fine without him.

"Attempt to rejoin" when anyone can just post here? Please let us
know which planet you are posting from:)

Roger


Ignore them, Roger.
They were abused as children...

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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 21:10:22 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

Roger Long wrote:

he can then attempt to rejoin a group that has somehow managed just fine without him.

"Attempt to rejoin" when anyone can just post here? Please let us
know which planet you are posting from:)

Roger


Ignore them, Roger.
They were abused as children...

Spoken like a true child abuser.

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