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Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"mmc" wrote in message
ng.com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? I wasn't making any judgement call and didn't participate in the other thread. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? I wasn't making any judgement call and didn't participate in the other thread. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Not pinging on you Jon just wondering about the focus of the majorities empathy. Should have picked a better spot to respond. Sorry |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? I wasn't making any judgement call and didn't participate in the other thread. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com John I meant, not Jon. |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
In article om,
"mmc" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? As far as "I" am concerned, neither of these events could be classed, as Tragic. They both seem to be just plain Human Stupidity. We, the readers of these type stories, are so accustomed to our NEWS Reporting adding superlatives like "Tragic", etc, to our News, that when a truly "Tragic" Event occurs, and gets reported. There aren't any adjectives that can describe the event left to use.... In the fire case, the original vessel owner/skipper made a bunch of errors. The towboat skipper, also made a bunch of errors. which compounded the situation. The Fire Department, wasn't equipped properly to fight fire, on that dock, which was a Massive oversight, of their operational planning. The rest of the folks did the best they could with the cards they were dealt, and did what was needed to be done, to terminate the event. IN the Sierra Leone vessel sinking, it would seem the vessel skipper was a bit over optimistic, (Being very Politically Correct here) on the amount of overloading his vessel could handle, given the weather conditions, and seas he encountered. The passengers, were certainly being totally oblivious of that obvious fact, of the overloading of the vessel. The Government Authority seems to be oblivious to the danger of this type of transportation idiocy. So, who is to blame... All of the above... Seems like Darwin Theory in action.... Survival of the fittest...... or of the Less Stupid.... Tragic, to me would seem to cover things that happen, that one, has NO control Over. Like Acts of God, etc.... but if one has even a second or third degree of decision making in any part of the event, you can't call it "Tragic".... |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"mmc" wrote in message
g.com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message easolutions... "mmc" wrote in message ng.com... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? I wasn't making any judgement call and didn't participate in the other thread. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Not pinging on you Jon just wondering about the focus of the majorities empathy. Should have picked a better spot to respond. Sorry No worries... sad situation in both cases... a death is a death. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"You" wrote in message ... In article om, "mmc" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message ons... "cavelamb" wrote in message ... In situations like that you do the best you can. Just accept it and don't worry about the "what ifs". They will drive you nuts. Ya done good, John. Yup... that's all you can do. Tragic outcome. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com One guy makes a mistake that costs him his life as well as some property damage and this is somehow more tragic than dozens lost off of Sierra Leone? I read the "poor poeple are perfectly happy" bull**** on the other thread. Apparently not if they'll go to those lengths to get a better life. Like those "perfectly happy" Cubans that die trying to make the passage to Florida. What are we really crying about here? The loss of dockage? As far as "I" am concerned, neither of these events could be classed, as Tragic. They both seem to be just plain Human Stupidity. We, the readers of these type stories, are so accustomed to our NEWS Reporting adding superlatives like "Tragic", etc, to our News, that when a truly "Tragic" Event occurs, and gets reported. There aren't any adjectives that can describe the event left to use.... In the fire case, the original vessel owner/skipper made a bunch of errors. The towboat skipper, also made a bunch of errors. which compounded the situation. The Fire Department, wasn't equipped properly to fight fire, on that dock, which was a Massive oversight, of their operational planning. The rest of the folks did the best they could with the cards they were dealt, and did what was needed to be done, to terminate the event. IN the Sierra Leone vessel sinking, it would seem the vessel skipper was a bit over optimistic, (Being very Politically Correct here) on the amount of overloading his vessel could handle, given the weather conditions, and seas he encountered. The passengers, were certainly being totally oblivious of that obvious fact, of the overloading of the vessel. The Government Authority seems to be oblivious to the danger of this type of transportation idiocy. So, who is to blame... All of the above... I haven't been in Sierra Leone but I have worked in Guinea where we rode ferries (mix of OLD actual vehicle ferries and landing craft) that were loaded to capacity with vehicles and then standing passengers packed like sardines in all the open spaces. So many people you couldn't get out of the vehicle. Was it unsafe, you betcha! Was there another way across the river? Yeah, swim. Deeper in the jungle the ferries became somewhat simpler, we did one that was a trio of big dugouts with heavy planks laid accross sideways. Again, if you need to get to the other side... Guinea, when I was there, was heads and tails over SL in every aspect and you might see a couple of soldiers hanging out at the landings but no "Government Authority" in sight. First world ideas and ideals are great but they don't fit everywhere. Not everyone can afford them. As for the guy that died horribly after filling his boat, have you ever made a mistake? Should you have died screaming because of your mistake? That's a little harsh, isn't it? Seems like Darwin Theory in action.... Survival of the fittest...... or of the Less Stupid.... Tragic, to me would seem to cover things that happen, that one, has NO control Over. Like Acts of God, etc.... but if one has even a second or third degree of decision making in any part of the event, you can't call it "Tragic".... |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
In article m,
"mmc" wrote: As for the guy that died horribly after filling his boat, have you ever made a mistake? Should you have died screaming because of your mistake? That's a little harsh, isn't it? Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
On Sep 16, 8:37*am, "mmc" wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in message snippedNot pinging on you Jon just wondering about the focus of the majorities empathy. Should have picked a better spot to respond. Sorry snipped I did not notice any minority aspect of it. As I noted earlier, this brought back memories for me that I would rather forget, although they probably help me remember to always be careful with gasoline. No apology required. take care . . . John |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
I used to sail a lot on a boat with an old Atomic 4. We were really, really
careful, especially during fueling. "John" wrote in message ... On Sep 16, 8:37 am, "mmc" wrote: "Capt. JG" wrote in message snippedNot pinging on you Jon just wondering about the focus of the majorities empathy. Should have picked a better spot to respond. Sorry snipped I did not notice any minority aspect of it. As I noted earlier, this brought back memories for me that I would rather forget, although they probably help me remember to always be careful with gasoline. No apology required. take care . . . John -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: As for the guy that died horribly after filling his boat, have you ever made a mistake? Should you have died screaming because of your mistake? That's a little harsh, isn't it? Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... Well, I sure hope you have better luck should you ever make a mistake! |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
In article m,
"mmc" wrote: "You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... Well, I sure hope you have better luck should you ever make a mistake! I make my own "Luck", by doing my best to understand the technology that I use.... and understand the intended, and unintended, consequences of situations, that I find myself in.... Most folks have learned to do the same, but it is apparent that you haven't... and that is your problem, not mine... If your one mistake from Dying, then your just to Stupid to live... and are inline for a Darwin Award... Most folks are in the 3 - 4 Compounded Mistake area, and usually they see the unintended consequences, far enough ahead, that they choose a different path.... apparently that is not your forte.... |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: "You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... Well, I sure hope you have better luck should you ever make a mistake! I make my own "Luck", by doing my best to understand the technology that I use.... and understand the intended, and unintended, consequences of situations, that I find myself in.... Most folks have learned to do the same, but it is apparent that you haven't... and that is your problem, not mine... If your one mistake from Dying, then your just to Stupid to live... and are inline for a Darwin Award... Most folks are in the 3 - 4 Compounded Mistake area, and usually they see the unintended consequences, far enough ahead, that they choose a different path.... apparently that is not your forte.... Most people try not to make mistakes but pretty much all do. You must be something different, something better, something infalible, something more advanced - - - WAIT!! HOLY CRAP I'M ARGUING WITH GOD!!!! I guess you haven't figured it out yet, but we're all one mistake away from death. |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
In article m,
"mmc" wrote: Most people try not to make mistakes but pretty much all do. You must be something different, something better, something infalible, something more advanced - - - WAIT!! HOLY CRAP I'M ARGUING WITH GOD!!!! I guess you haven't figured it out yet, but we're all one mistake away from death. Now there is some real Logic.... NOT... From the above: 1. "Most people try not to make mistakes but pretty much all do." 2. "....we're all one mistake away from death." to surmise.... So, Sonny, if YOU make one more mistake, which you acknowledge, above, that everyone makes... Your going to DIE .... Good for you... At least you will then, not be frequenting this newsgroup with your Goofy Ideas.... Couldn't happen to a nicer guy..... don't let the lid of the coffin, knock you in the head, as they lower you into the ground..... What a Moroooon... (Bugs Bunny Definition) |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"Gogarty" wrote in message ... In article , says... (Snip) What a Moroooon... (Bugs Bunny Definition) Not being much of a rabbit fan (except in the pot) I had to have that explained to me once. I did not think it was funny then and I don't think it's funny now. I think I've fallen prey to another of Neals personnas. Or maybe a new chest thumping troll out to prove his online machismo. Either way.... |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
On Sep 23, 5:47 pm, "mmc" wrote:
"You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: "You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... Well, I sure hope you have better luck should you ever make a mistake! I make my own "Luck", by doing my best to understand the technology that I use.... and understand the intended, and unintended, consequences of situations, that I find myself in.... Most folks have learned to do the same, but it is apparent that you haven't... and that is your problem, not mine... If your one mistake from Dying, then your just to Stupid to live... and are inline for a Darwin Award... Most folks are in the 3 - 4 Compounded Mistake area, and usually they see the unintended consequences, far enough ahead, that they choose a different path.... apparently that is not your forte.... Most people try not to make mistakes but pretty much all do. You must be something different, something better, something infalible, something more advanced - - - WAIT!! HOLY CRAP I'M ARGUING WITH GOD!!!! I guess you haven't figured it out yet, but we're all one mistake away from death. I would say two mistakes away. That first assumption was a mistake, by the way! Tom |
Boat Fire - Lessons to consider
"tom" wrote in message ... On Sep 23, 5:47 pm, "mmc" wrote: "You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: "You" wrote in message ... In article m, "mmc" wrote: Harsh? You Bet... Life is tough, and then you DIE..... Yep, The guy should, and did, DIE, because he made "a Mistake", actually he made a couple of mistakes, and the accumulated consequences of these mistakes, KILLED Him..... 1. He didn't understand the nature of the technology he was using... He didn't understand that Gasoline Fumes were explosive,,, 2. He didn't turn on the Bilge Blower for 10 minutes to clear the fumes..... or the Bilge Blower wasn't working.... 3. He didn't have a Fire Extinguisher in the Engineroom, OR he didn't have one big enough, to put out the fire.... These things are REQUIRED Knowledge, for Gasoline Powered Vessel Owners, and when one doesn't acquire the requisite Knowledge, for safe operation of a technology, then one sets themselves up, for the consequences, intended, or unintended, of their own choices..... Being Stupid, doesn't remove the liability for the consequences of ones choices, or actions..... It only makes them more inevitable.... Well, I sure hope you have better luck should you ever make a mistake! I make my own "Luck", by doing my best to understand the technology that I use.... and understand the intended, and unintended, consequences of situations, that I find myself in.... Most folks have learned to do the same, but it is apparent that you haven't... and that is your problem, not mine... If your one mistake from Dying, then your just to Stupid to live... and are inline for a Darwin Award... Most folks are in the 3 - 4 Compounded Mistake area, and usually they see the unintended consequences, far enough ahead, that they choose a different path.... apparently that is not your forte.... Most people try not to make mistakes but pretty much all do. You must be something different, something better, something infalible, something more advanced - - - WAIT!! HOLY CRAP I'M ARGUING WITH GOD!!!! I guess you haven't figured it out yet, but we're all one mistake away from death. I would say two mistakes away. That first assumption was a mistake, by the way! Tom Yeah, I got tired of listening to his holy bull****. |
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