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GPS Not Recognized
I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to
provide nav data. This setup works just fine and has for a very long time. I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II for the fun of it, and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS data. I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable and I have tried just about every combination of port and speed and GPS interface setting on 3 separate GPS units, but so far no go. Meanwhile the Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it. Any ideas? -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
GPS Not Recognized
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:05:34 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote: I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to provide nav data. This setup works just fine and has for a very long time. I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II for the fun of it, and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS data. I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable and I have tried just about every combination of port and speed and GPS interface setting on 3 separate GPS units, but so far no go. Meanwhile the Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it. Any ideas? This doesn't answer your question but I'd suggest giving it a try with a relatively new (and free) nav package called OpenCPN. I've been testing it as an eventual replacement for my Maptech OSN and have been favorably impressed so far. It's an easy install and loads quickly. http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencpn/ |
GPS Not Recognized
"Armond Perretta" wrote in message ... I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to provide nav data. This setup works just fine and has for a very long time. I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II for the fun of it, and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS data. I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable and I have tried just about every combination of port and speed and GPS interface setting on 3 separate GPS units, but so far no go. Meanwhile the Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it. Any ideas? Surely you must be missing out on the pleasure of sailing your boat while you are down below playing with all that hi-tech stuff? |
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Edgar wrote:
Surely you must be missing out on the pleasure of sailing your boat while you are down below playing with all that hi-tech stuff? I guess I never realized that sailing is pleasurable only when one is on deck. I will have examine the possibility of moving the stove, dining table, wine locker, and liquor cabinet to the lazarette. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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Steve Lusardi wrote:
If one application sees your GPSs, the problem with Offshore Navigation Light and SeaClearII is clearly not hardware. That stated, the question is now the new applications. How did you get them? Are they legal? Do you need an activation code? Do you need a dongle? How about calling application tech support if you have legal copies. SeaClear is freeware with an open license. ON Lite is essentially freeware that Maptech supplied (or still supplies?) with certain chart packages that are encrypted. It was necessary, for example, to load ON Lite to set up my Bermuda electronic charts. In both cases these apps are "legal" if I understand the nature of your comment. Good point, but I am not sure this is the issue. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
GPS Not Recognized
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:05:34 -0400, Armond Perretta wrote:
I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to provide nav data. This setup works just fine and has for a very long time. I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II for the fun of it, and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS data. I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable and I have tried just about every combination of port and speed and GPS interface setting on 3 separate GPS units, but so far no go. Meanwhile the Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it. Any ideas? The USB-to-serial cable *might* have something to do with it. The USB standard does not include a GPS device, so a proprietary driver is needed. Capn probably provides them, perhaps, ONL and SeaClear don't. If you are familiar with telnet, you could telnet the port and see what, if anything, is being transmitted. |
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thunder wrote in
t: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:05:34 -0400, Armond Perretta wrote: I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to provide nav data. This setup works just fine and has for a very long time. I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II for the fun of it, and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS data. I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable and I have tried just about every combination of port and speed and GPS interface setting on 3 separate GPS units, but so far no go. Meanwhile the Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it. Any ideas? The USB-to-serial cable *might* have something to do with it. The USB standard does not include a GPS device, so a proprietary driver is needed. Capn probably provides them, perhaps, ONL and SeaClear don't. If you are familiar with telnet, you could telnet the port and see what, if anything, is being transmitted. Excellent point. The Cap'n DOES have a USB serial port emulator/driver that I'm sure is STILL resident on his computer even if The Cap'n isn't booted. So, The Cap'n's driver is stealing the data away from the port, no matter what program's running, making a data black hole that these other programs have no way of accessing from the proprietary driver.... The only way he'd get to see it is if he completely UNinstalled The Cap'n before installing one of these other crapware freebies, then he'd probably have GPS info off the open USB port that's not open now with the Cap'n's driver holding it close. If The Cap'n works great DON'T SCREW IT UP! Use it to go sailing! Trying to run several nav programs on that machine is SURE to screw it up with all the system tinkering they have to go through to get antiquated NMEA serial data through a computer that doesn't have ports for it any more..... -- Larry |
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Larry wrote:
thunder wrote ... Armond Perretta wrote: I have Capn 8.3 running with several GPS units that can be switched to provide nav data ... I just loaded Offshore Navigator Light and SeaClear II ... and it happens that neither program can "see" the GPS ... I am using a standard USB-to-serial cable ... Capn 8.3 can see anything I feed it ... The USB-to-serial cable *might* have something to do with it. The USB standard does not include a GPS device, so a proprietary driver is needed. Capn probably provides them, perhaps, ONL and SeaClear don't ... Excellent point. The Cap'n DOES have a USB serial port emulator/driver that I'm sure is STILL resident on his computer even if The Cap'n isn't booted. So, The Cap'n's driver is stealing the data away from the port ... The only way he'd get to see it is if he completely UNinstalled The Cap'n before installing one of these other crapware freebies, then he'd probably have GPS info off the open USB port that's not open now with the Cap'n's driver holding it close ... Trying to run several nav programs on that machine is SURE to screw it up with all the system tinkering they have to go through to get antiquated NMEA serial data through a computer that doesn't have ports for it any more ... I think you both are onto the explanation. I suspected that something was hijacking the port so I restarted the machine and did not run Capn, but instead tried ON Lite and SeaClear separately. Unfortunately that didn't do the trick as the port still appears to be closed to the other software. What would happen if I used an additional USB-to-serial converter in another USB socket? Maybe I'll try the next time I'm at the yard. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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Armond,
If one application sees your GPSs, the problem with Offshore Navigation Light and SeaClearII is clearly not hardware. That stated, the question is now the new applications. How did you get them? Are they legal? Do you need an activation code? Do you need a dongle? How about calling application tech support if you have legal copies. Steve |
GPS Not Recognized
Armond,
Assuming you are legal, you won't know what the issue is 'till you contact them, but the problem is clearly the App. or its configuration, not hardware. Steve "Armond Perretta" wrote in message ... Steve Lusardi wrote: If one application sees your GPSs, the problem with Offshore Navigation Light and SeaClearII is clearly not hardware. That stated, the question is now the new applications. How did you get them? Are they legal? Do you need an activation code? Do you need a dongle? How about calling application tech support if you have legal copies. SeaClear is freeware with an open license. ON Lite is essentially freeware that Maptech supplied (or still supplies?) with certain chart packages that are encrypted. It was necessary, for example, to load ON Lite to set up my Bermuda electronic charts. In both cases these apps are "legal" if I understand the nature of your comment. Good point, but I am not sure this is the issue. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
GPS Not Recognized
"Armond Perretta" wrote in
: I think you both are onto the explanation. I suspected that something was hijacking the port so I restarted the machine and did not run Capn, but instead tried ON Lite and SeaClear separately. Unfortunately that didn't do the trick as the port still appears to be closed to the other software. What would happen if I used an additional USB-to-serial converter in another USB socket? Maybe I'll try the next time I'm at the yard. The Cap'n driver would load and hijack the port on Windows bootup when the drivers load, not the startup apps. The port is reserved by the driver very early in the process.... Try this non-destructive change. Open Device Manager.... Click the + box next to USB Controllers and look for the driver Cap'n has its name on or some USB-to-Serial driver which may be more generic. I've never hunted this driver down, myself. Open any USB controller driver that looks like The Cap'n and look at the driver's author. There is a selector to DISABLE the driver without uninstalling The Cap'n, which would free up the port so your other software could access the USB data coming in. You can always re-ENABLE it to make it work again for The Cap'n. OK your way out and remember how you got there, then try the new softwares. -- Larry |
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"Armond Perretta" wrote in message ... Steve Lusardi wrote: If one application sees your GPSs, the problem with Offshore Navigation Light and SeaClearII is clearly not hardware. That stated, the question is now the new applications. How did you get them? Are they legal? Do you need an activation code? Do you need a dongle? How about calling application tech support if you have legal copies. SeaClear is freeware with an open license. ON Lite is essentially freeware that Maptech supplied (or still supplies?) with certain chart packages that are encrypted. It was necessary, for example, to load ON Lite to set up my Bermuda electronic charts. In both cases these apps are "legal" if I understand the nature of your comment. Good point, but I am not sure this is the issue. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare You might find something in here, SeaClear Manual MMV En.pdf, part of the SeaClear file download. Dennis. |
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Larry wrote:
Open Device Manager.... Click the + box next to USB Controllers and look for the driver Cap'n has its name on or some USB-to-Serial driver which may be more generic. I've never hunted this driver down, myself. Open any USB controller driver that looks like The Cap'n and look at the driver's author. There is a selector to DISABLE the driver without uninstalling The Cap'n, which would free up the port so your other software could access the USB data coming in. You can always re-ENABLE it to make it work again for The Cap'n ... I have 2 identical laptops with Capn and the other software installed on each. As far as is possible these are identical installations (the idea being that a complete back-up computer is simpler than reinstalling, reformatting, etc., in a pinch). I used these computers on a recent cruise to southern New England and they were fine, although at that time I had not started messing with ON Lite or SeaClear. BTW these apps were loaded mostly out of curiosity. I may consider migrating if the support situation with Capn remains at its current low level (and I started using Capn with its DOS version in 1993). On the laptop I'm using right now to type this, there is a complete Capn install with a USB-to-serial dongle. This setup was in use recently and ran well, including the interface with the SR162 AIS receiver. I purchased a "Y" adapter from Milltech that allows me to feed the GPS into the AIS receiver, which then transmits the combined GPS and AIS data at 38,000 BAUD to the laptop via the USB-to-serial adapter. A little bit Rube Goldbergy but it works. Believe me, it was way COOL to get targets and CPA on the screen, especially in a breeze at night off Montauk. But that's another subject. Here's some info on the hardware on this box. The Capn works with the associated USB converter. However I also manage my home alarm system with this box. The panel communicates with the DLS software via a serial port, and in the present case I use the same USB-to-serial converter. And it works just fine. In other words on this computer, I can run Capn and get GPS data in the afternoon, then take the computer home and manage the alarm that night. No port hijacking. Puzzling(?). -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
GPS Not Recognized
Hi, Armond,
Others have preceded me but a couple of observations from my point of view he Once Cap'n (or any other) is running with the GPS found, it's using that port. You'd need another USB puck to make them work simultaneously. I discovered this by trying to use Capn and Maxsea together. My setup is hardwired to a Serial port, not an adapter, so that's not the issue... That said, I had a S/U adapter which should have worked out of the box, but didn't, for my Pactor modem. I had to use a Knoppix tool to discover who made it, and from there was able to download the proper driver. Once that was installed, it worked properly. So, if you haven't done that, likely the adapter has specific drivers that are needed. It may be that the Cap'n has those drivers and can make it happen without their being native in the startup of your computer. Another anomaly I discovered is that my HD through a powered hub won't succeed in an Acronis backup. Run directly to a USB port it works fine. So, even though it's a high quality hub, there's data problems, apparently, for some applications. HTH... L8R Skip, still refitting, but getting close - Sept 8 we leave with grandkids for a sea trial to see if they want to go to the Bahamas via ocean with us the following week (or whenever the right weather window shows up) -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) |
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:21:22 -0400, "Flying Pig"
wrote: Skip, still refitting, but getting close - Sept 8 we leave with grandkids for a sea trial to see if they want to go to the Bahamas via ocean with us the following week (or whenever the right weather window shows up) Skip, I would *really*, *strongly* encourage you to wait for the end of the hurricane season before going offshore. After Nov 1 is usually a good time. |
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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:04:35 +0000, Larry wrote:
My captain didn't like the USB cord dangling off the chart table, so I wifi'd the whole system using a Webfoot RS232 (close enough) to Ethernet adapter on the serial port of the boat's Noland NMEA multiplexer. Cool. Sounds like you need 2 WebFoot adapters unless you have a multiplexer with ethernet out? Is there a provision for multiple listeners on the same ethernet data stream, using multiple Webfoot adapters? |
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Larry wrote:
.. Open Device Manager.... Click the + box next to USB Controllers and look for the driver Cap'n has its name on or some USB-to-Serial driver which may be more generic. I've never hunted this driver down, myself. Open any USB controller driver that looks like The Cap'n and look at the driver's author. There is a selector to DISABLE the driver without uninstalling The Cap'n, which would free up the port so your other software could access the USB data coming in. You can always re-ENABLE it to make it work again for The Cap'n ... On both of the laptops I use for navigation, I was unable to find anything in the USB section of Device Manager that was other than Microsoft-generic. All the usual standard drivers from about 2001 for USB hubs, etc. However under the Ports section in Device Manager I located the virtual serial port whose driver matched the driver I loaded from software supplied by the manufacturer. I disabled this, but was unable to see GPS data or capture the port with either SeaClear or ON Lite. I did not yet take a second USB-serial adapter down to the boat yard and try that angle. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: Cool. Sounds like you need 2 WebFoot adapters unless you have a multiplexer with ethernet out? Is there a provision for multiple listeners on the same ethernet data stream, using multiple Webfoot adapters? The RS-232C port on the Noland is bidirectional. It takes and sends serial data from the one Webfoot fine. I don't think you can connect more than one Ethernet user to it at a time. It's been on the boat and working so long I've forgotten but it doesn't say that in the pdf on: http://www.i****chdogs.com/DataSheets/WF111803.pdf -- Larry |
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"Armond Perretta" wrote in
: On both of the laptops I use for navigation, I was unable to find anything in the USB section of Device Manager that was other than Microsoft-generic. All the usual standard drivers from about 2001 for USB hubs, etc. However under the Ports section in Device Manager I located the virtual serial port whose driver matched the driver I loaded from software supplied by the manufacturer. I disabled this, but was unable to see GPS data or capture the port with either SeaClear or ON Lite. I did not yet take a second USB-serial adapter down to the boat yard and try that angle. Let's see if there is data on the port and if we can connect to it. Open HyperTerminal from the Windows Accessories/Communications and setup to read the port the NMEA data USB to Serial adapter is using. If NMEA data is on the port, it will stream across hyperterminal like mad. Turn the virtual serial port back on to create the COM port for Hyperterminal to connect to.....Once you get that running and data streaming, these other programs should see it too, but only one at a time. Only one app can connect to a serial port at a time. -- Larry |
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Wayne.B wrote:
This doesn't answer your question but I'd suggest giving it a try with a relatively new (and free) nav package called OpenCPN. I've been testing it as an eventual replacement for my Maptech OSN and have been favorably impressed so far. It's an easy install and loads quickly. http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencpn/ I just set this up and it looks quite good. It reads the NOAA vector charts without a fuss, unlike Capn Voyager. The way things are going with Capn, I do not see that any effort is being made to update and maintain the product since its sale in Sep 08 to Star Technologies, so this open source app is an even better idea. Will test at the boat yard shortly and report. Thanks for heads up. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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On Aug 20, 5:49*pm, "Armond Perretta" wrote:
Back on your original problem - have you considered a software GPS data splitter and port emulator, such as Franson GPSGate? Franson GPSGate avoids the problem of one software app monopolising the GPS data stream by splitting the stream and providing virtual data ports including, for example, Garmin ports. A trial can be downloaded freely from http://franson.com/gpsgate/ Cheers |
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Heh.
At the rate we're going, that might be the reality... Actually, we're in the homestretch for our refit and redo. About a week, then a week of relaxation, then a coastal cruise for the second week of September before we can even look at weather windows... L8R Skip -- Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand (Richard Bach) "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:21:22 -0400, "Flying Pig" wrote: Skip, still refitting, but getting close - Sept 8 we leave with grandkids for a sea trial to see if they want to go to the Bahamas via ocean with us the following week (or whenever the right weather window shows up) Skip, I would *really*, *strongly* encourage you to wait for the end of the hurricane season before going offshore. After Nov 1 is usually a good time. |
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Flying Pig wrote:
Once Cap'n (or any other) is running with the GPS found, it's using that port. You'd need another USB puck to make them work simultaneously. I discovered this by trying to use Capn and Maxsea together. I have finally been able to get 3 separate charting applications to run (of course one application at a time) and see the combined GPS/AIS data, but there is a peculiarity that still occurs. The apps are Capn 8.3, SeaClear II, and OpenCPN 903 Beta. The system includes the SP 162 AIS engine. When I use the combined GPS/AIS data (the GPS is routed through the SR 162, and a single RS-232 connects to the USB-serial converter), each of the applications can see the data and successfully plot the ship and any AIS targets. However if I next feed the straight GPS signal and bypass the SR 162 (usually at 4800 BAUD instead of the 38k BAUD used by the AIS device), only Capn 8.3 can see this data. Both SeaClear II and OpenCPN do not. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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On Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:23:19 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote: When I use the combined GPS/AIS data (the GPS is routed through the SR 162, and a single RS-232 connects to the USB-serial converter), each of the applications can see the data and successfully plot the ship and any AIS targets. However if I next feed the straight GPS signal and bypass the SR 162 (usually at 4800 BAUD instead of the 38k BAUD used by the AIS device), only Capn 8.3 can see this data. Both SeaClear II and OpenCPN do not. OpenCPN may require you to select something other than "AIS Port (shared)" on the settings menu. Supposedly it will auto detect GPS data settings, seems to work for me. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote: When I use the combined GPS/AIS data ... each of the applications can see the data ... However if I ... bypass the SR 162 ... only Capn 8.3 can see this data. Both SeaClear II and OpenCPN do not. OpenCPN may require you to select something other than "AIS Port (shared)" on the settings menu. Supposedly it will auto detect GPS data settings, seems to work for me. Wayne, I will fiddle with the settings again on Tuesday. Thanks for putting me onto OpenCPN, which is really a great project. I am trying to keep up with the fast pace of development on the Cruisers Forum. These guys are really going at it and are quite the crew. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 05:22:45 -0400, "Armond Perretta"
wrote: OpenCPN may require you to select something other than "AIS Port (shared)" on the settings menu. Supposedly it will auto detect GPS data settings, seems to work for me. Wayne, I will fiddle with the settings again on Tuesday. Thanks for putting me onto OpenCPN, which is really a great project. I am trying to keep up with the fast pace of development on the Cruisers Forum. These guys are really going at it and are quite the crew. Yes, they are off to a good start. I'm hoping that eventually I will be able to use OpenCPN as a replacement for Maptech Offshore Navigator which is quite a good package but no longer supported. |
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Wayne, I will fiddle with the settings again on Tuesday. *Thanks for putting me onto OpenCPN, which is really a great project. *I am trying to keep up with the fast pace of development on the Cruisers Forum. *These guys are really going at it and are quite the crew. Lemme know when you get this straightened out so I can come up for a day of sailing. Carl |
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Wayne.B wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote: Wayne, I will fiddle with the settings again on Tuesday. Thanks for putting me onto OpenCPN, which is really a great project. I am trying to keep up with the fast pace of development on the Cruisers Forum. These guys are really going at it and are quite the crew. Yes, they are off to a good start. I'm hoping that eventually I will be able to use OpenCPN as a replacement for Maptech Offshore Navigator which is quite a good package but no longer supported. I will add that I am of the same mind with respect to Capn 8.3. I've used one or another version since 1993 and have worked with Dennis Mills on a few things, but the current Capn team (Star Technologies) shows little evidence that they are really interested in development or support. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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Wayne.B wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote: When I use the combined GPS/AIS data ... each of the applications can see the data and successfully plot the ship and any AIS targets ... if I next feed the straight GPS signal and bypass the SR 162 ... only Capn 8.3 can see this data. Both SeaClear II and OpenCPN do not. OpenCPN may require you to select something other than "AIS Port (shared)" on the settings menu. Supposedly it will auto detect GPS data settings, seems to work for me. I tried just about every combination of settings in OpenCPN but it's still the case that the combined GPS/AIS signal works for all apps, but the straight GPS signal is seen only by Capn 8.3. BTW, I am testing Capn 8.3, OpenCPN, SeaClear II, and something called NavMonPC, which is a sort of data front-end. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://home.comcast.net/~kerrydeare |
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