On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Real sailors won't abide radar.

Bull

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Real sailors won't abide radar.

Bull




Not bull! Fact!

If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much
power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor. When you pay attention to a
radar screen and when you plot courses and heed all the information the
screen has to offer you are ignoring all other aspects of sailing. Radar
doesn't show depth of water, for instance. In other words those sailors
attempting to use radar properly do so at the peril of disregarding all the
other important aspects of sailing. Radar needs a dedicated radar operator.
Skippy nor anybody else can competently handle radar and sailing at the same
time. Those are the facts.

Radar, for a lone hander or shorthander like Skippy, is a dangerous
distraction and nothing more than that. It invites trouble as it's used as
an excuse to go where you shouldn't be going in the first place. Lose the
radar!

Wilbur Hubbard

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Radar
doesn't show depth of water, for instance. In other words those sailors
attempting to use radar properly do so at the peril of disregarding all the
other important aspects of sailing. Radar needs a dedicated radar operator.

Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not
necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks.
Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every
minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are
detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles
at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it
again if I have a choice.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not
necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks.
Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every
minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are
detected, and then go back to sleep. I've sailed thousands of miles
at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it
again if I have a choice.

You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less
than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of
juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it
that quick, however.

Casady

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less
than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of
juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it
that quick, however.

Wilbur hasn't yet figured out how to fit a 100 amp alternator to his
outboard motor.

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not
necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks.
Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every
minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are
detected, and then go back to sleep.

I've sailed thousands of miles
at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it
again if I have a choice.

Radar sunk the Andrea Doria. The 3rd officer on the Stockholm misread
his.

asady

You can get radar under a grand, and with a power consumption of less
than 2 amps. A hundred amp alternator can put out a days worth of
juice in fifteen minutes. You would need a hefty battery to absorb it
that quick, however.

Casady

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:27:32 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not
necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks.
Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every
minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are
detected, and then go back to sleep.

I've sailed thousands of miles
at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it
again if I have a choice.

Radar sunk the Andrea Doria. The 3rd officer on the Stockholm misread
his.


Then the 3rd Officer on the Stockholm sank the Andrea Doria, not the
RADAR.

On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:29:06 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:27:32 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Jun 2009 10:14:46 -0500, Richard Casady
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:42:44 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Radar does use a fair amout of power. That's a fact but not
necessarily an issue on a larger boat with decent battery banks.
Modern radars do have power saving modes where they wake up every
minute or so, make a few sweeps, activate an alarm if targets are
detected, and then go back to sleep.

I've sailed thousands of miles
at night without radar but I count myself lucky and will never do it
again if I have a choice.

Radar sunk the Andrea Doria. The 3rd officer on the Stockholm misread
his.


Then the 3rd Officer on the Stockholm sank the Andrea Doria, not the
RADAR.

If he hadn't had it he wouldn't have misread it.

Casady

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Real sailors won't abide radar.

Bull




Not bull! Fact!

If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much
power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor.

False.

My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal
use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours
in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a
dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar
panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I
use the RADAR.

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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:22:28 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 20:25:27 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Real sailors won't abide radar.

Bull




Not bull! Fact!

If you run radar you are motoring because the damned things draw so much
power. Since you're motoring you are no sailor.

False.

My RADAR draws slightly over 2.1 amps MAX. Over 10 hours of normal
use, it draws an average of about 1/4 to 1/2 amp, or 3 - 5 amp hours
in a 10 hour day. It is really even be less than that. I have a
dedicated AGM battery for just the RADAR and a small 20 watt solar
panel has no trouble keeping it fully charged regardless of how much I
use the RADAR.



LIAR! Volts X Amps = Watts.

So if your unit draws 2 amps that means your unit has a puny 24 or so watt
output provided it it 100 percent efficient which it is NOT. Hell, a VHF
radio outputs at 25 watts and it has no moving parts.

That means your pitiful 2.1 amp radar is good for a range of maybe a 1/10
mile. Waste of time and space, dude! Freaking TOY!

Here's a link to a compact yacht radar:
http://www.busse-yachtshop.de/dae_fu...adar-1623.html

Note the output is 2.2 KILOwatts.

Using the above formula, V times amps = watts, you get approximately 14
amps.

You're even more clueless than poor Skippy!

Wilbur Hubbard