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I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles
to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe |
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"Joe" wrote in message
... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. Here is a discussion. http://forums.grunt.com/forums/t/53005.aspx |
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Gogarty wrote:
In article lutions, lid says... "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Have not heard of this before but if you can have gyro-stabilized binoculars I would think gyro-stabilizsing a large weapon would be a simple problem. I think you thought wrong on this one G. Gyro stabilizing binocs involves movinh a tiny mirror. A gyro stabilized gun would be a massively different thing. Richard |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message m... A gyro stabilized gun mount is simply connected to the ship's gyros. It's all low frequency large amplitude signals but has to track position (Type I control system). Binoculars could be image stabilized (lower in cost) or gyro stabilized. That control loop (gyro) has higher frequency signals but can tolerate positional error (Type II control system). The gun mount ships gyro is a mechanical system. The good optical systems use laser ring gyros. Aircraft mounted laser pointing systems are the hardest to stabilise. I serious doubt there are any gyro stabilized shoulder fired rifles. If the shooter is that shakey he's no marksmen. In the case of the pirates, so what if the rifle on the ship is stabilized if the target is bouncing all about? Stabilizing the rifle relative to the earth (absolute space in reality) doesn't buy anything in accuracy if the target isn't in that reference plane. It's like bench rest shooting at moving targets. Does anyone remember the old binocular driven gun directors from before WWII ships and how they worked? http://www.usstexasbb35.com/mk_51.htm http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/Misc/Mk49/ http://www.eugeneleeslover.com/USNAVY/CHAPTER-20-C.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_37...Control_System |
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m... Gogarty wrote: In article lutions, lid says... "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com Have not heard of this before but if you can have gyro-stabilized binoculars I would think gyro-stabilizsing a large weapon would be a simple problem. I think you thought wrong on this one G. Gyro stabilizing binocs involves movinh a tiny mirror. A gyro stabilized gun would be a massively different thing. Richard Duh! Richard you aren't too bright. In order for a gyro stabilized rifle to work it would be required to remain still as the ship moved under it. A heavy enough gyro would do an admirable job of keeping the rifle from moving as the ship moved under it. It would take a little more effort to get it sighted on the target but, once sighted, it should remain sighted. But firing ship to ship adds a second dimension. No gyro stabilized rifle is going to take into account the other vessel's movement relative to it. This is where the human factor comes in. Kentucky windage and all that as the sniper's telescope views the same spot as the pirate vessel moves up and down and drifts with the seas. Even a gyro stabilized rifle would be extremely difficult to shoot accurately ship to ship. Those seals must be crack shots for sure. I know all this because I've watch "The Unit" DVDs. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:14:57 -0700, Joe wrote:
I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. same concept as a motion-control camera system, a series of gyros null out motion by way of manipulating gyroscopic precession forces another Canadian invention by the way you're welcome... |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. I'm not going to say I know for sure but the rifles they probably used were the Mk11. http://www.navyseals.com/mk11-sniper-weapon-system-sws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25 The other likely choice would be the M14. http://www.navyseals.com/m14 But I'd say it's more like a 95% chance it was the Mk11. *If* they were "gyro stabilized", the seals probably mounted something like this: http://www.ken-lab.com/ onto the rifles. Stabilizing just the scope does you no good because the scope is supposed to be pointing at whatever the rifle is pointing at. If the scope is stabilized and the rifle is bobbing around, what's the point? I really don't know why they would need to stabilize the rifle if they're perched on the deck of a destroyer shooting at a little lifeboat that's bobbing around. The slow large motion of the destroyer isn't going to be damped out by the gyro. For a hand-held weapon, a gyro would only really be useful for damping out smaller, faster vibrations. But if they use that gyro stabilizer for other purposes, like shooting from helicopters, and train with them a lot, they're not going to take them off just because they don't need them on the ship. You shoot like you've trained for. Steve |
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"mr.b" wrote in message m... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:14:57 -0700, Joe wrote: I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. same concept as a motion-control camera system, a series of gyros null out motion by way of manipulating gyroscopic precession forces All gyros do is indicate an absolute vector in space. If they are precessing, then they lost their absolute vector. The mechanical gyros are mounted so they experience no force at all, their position is read relative to the frame they are housed in. Laser ring gyros don't precess and exert no force. another Canadian invention by the way As was fire, the wheel and time travel. you're welcome... No, you're welcome! |
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Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is
moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. "Steve" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. I'm not going to say I know for sure but the rifles they probably used were the Mk11. http://www.navyseals.com/mk11-sniper-weapon-system-sws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25 The other likely choice would be the M14. http://www.navyseals.com/m14 But I'd say it's more like a 95% chance it was the Mk11. *If* they were "gyro stabilized", the seals probably mounted something like this: http://www.ken-lab.com/ onto the rifles. Stabilizing just the scope does you no good because the scope is supposed to be pointing at whatever the rifle is pointing at. If the scope is stabilized and the rifle is bobbing around, what's the point? I really don't know why they would need to stabilize the rifle if they're perched on the deck of a destroyer shooting at a little lifeboat that's bobbing around. The slow large motion of the destroyer isn't going to be damped out by the gyro. For a hand-held weapon, a gyro would only really be useful for damping out smaller, faster vibrations. But if they use that gyro stabilizer for other purposes, like shooting from helicopters, and train with them a lot, they're not going to take them off just because they don't need them on the ship. You shoot like you've trained for. Steve |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. So leave it on. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. Until that happens, this is all just speculation. Steve "Steve" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. I'm not going to say I know for sure but the rifles they probably used were the Mk11. http://www.navyseals.com/mk11-sniper-weapon-system-sws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25 The other likely choice would be the M14. http://www.navyseals.com/m14 But I'd say it's more like a 95% chance it was the Mk11. *If* they were "gyro stabilized", the seals probably mounted something like this: http://www.ken-lab.com/ onto the rifles. Stabilizing just the scope does you no good because the scope is supposed to be pointing at whatever the rifle is pointing at. If the scope is stabilized and the rifle is bobbing around, what's the point? I really don't know why they would need to stabilize the rifle if they're perched on the deck of a destroyer shooting at a little lifeboat that's bobbing around. The slow large motion of the destroyer isn't going to be damped out by the gyro. For a hand-held weapon, a gyro would only really be useful for damping out smaller, faster vibrations. But if they use that gyro stabilizer for other purposes, like shooting from helicopters, and train with them a lot, they're not going to take them off just because they don't need them on the ship. You shoot like you've trained for. Steve |
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Steve wrote:
On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. So leave it on. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. Until that happens, this is all just speculation. Steve "Steve" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. I'm not going to say I know for sure but the rifles they probably used were the Mk11. http://www.navyseals.com/mk11-sniper-weapon-system-sws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25 The other likely choice would be the M14. http://www.navyseals.com/m14 But I'd say it's more like a 95% chance it was the Mk11. *If* they were "gyro stabilized", the seals probably mounted something like this: http://www.ken-lab.com/ onto the rifles. Stabilizing just the scope does you no good because the scope is supposed to be pointing at whatever the rifle is pointing at. If the scope is stabilized and the rifle is bobbing around, what's the point? I really don't know why they would need to stabilize the rifle if they're perched on the deck of a destroyer shooting at a little lifeboat that's bobbing around. The slow large motion of the destroyer isn't going to be damped out by the gyro. For a hand-held weapon, a gyro would only really be useful for damping out smaller, faster vibrations. But if they use that gyro stabilizer for other purposes, like shooting from helicopters, and train with them a lot, they're not going to take them off just because they don't need them on the ship. You shoot like you've trained for. Steve I'm going to guess that (being Seals) they were real shooters and the motion of the tow platforms combined at that range meant a CEP (Circular Error Probable) of which ventricle got popped. Richard |
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In article , Joe wrote:
I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? A quick Google found another forum discussing this. One of the posters suggests that the rifle isn't stabilised, it's the telescopic sites that are stabilised. It's also suggested that this is what they use to snipe from helicopters. That's what I found on Google, I know nothing of guns because our government won't let us have them. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:44:11 -0000, Justin C
wrote: One of the posters suggests that the rifle isn't stabilised, it's the telescopic sites that are stabilised. Sure. The rifle waves like a conductors baton, while the crosshairs remain fixed on a point in space. This will do no good whatever. Casady |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... gun stuff snipped. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. I do not think that the lifeboat was bobbing about in the sort of way of a powerless boat would be in a choppy sea. The US warship had it on tow and although it could not have been going very fast that would be enough to stabilise the motion of the towed boat and possibly made it more predictable. So, it was still very good shooting but not as difficult as some have suggested, especially if these guys were trained sharpshooters... |
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"Steve" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. What you are describing here is high frequency noise. An elastic mount will accomplish the same thing, but you are correct. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. That's true, constant angular velocity and constant range. If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. GE developed a targeting systems used in tanks back in the 70's that could analyze and predict the shaking of the aimer, including the flinch. Obviously today's systems don't have that problem. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. So leave it on. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. Until that happens, this is all just speculation. I believe they used their normal rifles and their skills which are not stabilized in any way. Steve "Steve" wrote in message . .. On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:30:23 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Joe" wrote in message ... I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe I heard the same thing on ABC... interesting. I'm not going to say I know for sure but the rifles they probably used were the Mk11. http://www.navyseals.com/mk11-sniper-weapon-system-sws http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR-25 The other likely choice would be the M14. http://www.navyseals.com/m14 But I'd say it's more like a 95% chance it was the Mk11. *If* they were "gyro stabilized", the seals probably mounted something like this: http://www.ken-lab.com/ onto the rifles. Stabilizing just the scope does you no good because the scope is supposed to be pointing at whatever the rifle is pointing at. If the scope is stabilized and the rifle is bobbing around, what's the point? I really don't know why they would need to stabilize the rifle if they're perched on the deck of a destroyer shooting at a little lifeboat that's bobbing around. The slow large motion of the destroyer isn't going to be damped out by the gyro. For a hand-held weapon, a gyro would only really be useful for damping out smaller, faster vibrations. But if they use that gyro stabilizer for other purposes, like shooting from helicopters, and train with them a lot, they're not going to take them off just because they don't need them on the ship. You shoot like you've trained for. Steve |
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On Apr 18, 12:55*pm, "Sal Monella" wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. *If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. *A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. *It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. What you are describing here is high frequency noise. An elastic mount will accomplish the same thing, but you are correct. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. *But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. That's true, constant angular velocity and constant range. * If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. *But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. GE developed a targeting systems used in tanks back in the 70's that could analyze and predict the shaking of the aimer, including the flinch. Obviously today's systems don't have that problem. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. *But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. *In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. *So leave it on.. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. *Until that happens, this is all just speculation. I believe they used their normal rifles and their skills which are not stabilized in any way. I tend to think that too Nellie. Someone said here that he jumped in again. When he did I bet they just went full auto and did a bonnie and clyde on the pirates. Hopefully a sailor caught the action on his cell phone and will post it on you tube soon. If they did indeed have 3 shots with 3 kills ricking ship to lifeboat, that was some fancy shootin. Joe Joe |
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"Joe" skrev i melding
... On Apr 18, 12:55 pm, "Sal Monella" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message ... On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. What you are describing here is high frequency noise. An elastic mount will accomplish the same thing, but you are correct. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. That's true, constant angular velocity and constant range. If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. GE developed a targeting systems used in tanks back in the 70's that could analyze and predict the shaking of the aimer, including the flinch. Obviously today's systems don't have that problem. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. So leave it on. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. Until that happens, this is all just speculation. I believe they used their normal rifles and their skills which are not stabilized in any way. I tend to think that too Nellie. Someone said here that he jumped in again. When he did I bet they just went full auto and did a bonnie and clyde on the pirates. Hopefully a sailor caught the action on his cell phone and will post it on you tube soon. Since you obviously like to watch snipers in action here is one for you: http://www.truveo.com/Juba-Sniper-ki.../id/2112993970 |
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On Sat, 18 Apr 2009 23:53:02 +0200, "Jan" wrote: "Joe" skrev i melding ... On Apr 18, 12:55 pm, "Sal Monella" wrote: I believe they used their normal rifles and their skills which are not stabilized in any way. I tend to think that too Nellie. Someone said here that he jumped in again. When he did I bet they just went full auto and did a bonnie and clyde on the pirates. Not likely. The weapon they used does not have full auto capability. Steve |
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On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 10:14:57 -0700 (PDT), Joe
wrote: I heard on ABC news that the Navy Seals used "Gyro Stabalized" rifles to take out the pirates. I've never seen such a rifle..anyone know what she was talking about? It was either the best shots on earth, or we have not heard the whole story of the Pirate shots. What is the best Pirate killing rifle? Joe It was probably either the M82A1 .50 cal or the MK11 .30. Probably the M82A1 because it would punch through the hull or spray shield if necessary. The only stabilization is in the reporters minds. They keep going in a straight line when the story curves into territory they don't understand. I would not be surprised to learn they had multiple shooters per pirate or that each pirate had multiple hits. |
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On Apr 18, 4:53*pm, "Jan" wrote:
"Joe" skrev i ... On Apr 18, 12:55 pm, "Sal Monella" wrote: "Steve" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:23:49 -0600, "Sal Monella" wrote: Gyro stabilized guns are only good for fixed targets. If the target is moving there is nothing to gain and in reality the system is even less accurate. Not true. A gyro stabilized gun is good for shooting from a platform that has short period low amplitude vibrations, like a helicopter, airplane, truck, etc. It will greatly increase accuracy even if the target is moving. What you are describing here is high frequency noise. An elastic mount will accomplish the same thing, but you are correct. Especially if the target is moving with a constant velocity, like a car driving down the road. But even if the target is bobbing like a boat, as long as the motion is predictable. That's true, constant angular velocity and constant range. If the target is moving unpredictably, then the gyro stabilizer could hurt accuracy. But in that case, you're not going to be likely to have a great shot on it anyway even without a gyro stabilizer. GE developed a targeting systems used in tanks back in the 70's that could analyze and predict the shaking of the aimer, including the flinch. Obviously today's systems don't have that problem. I don't think it would be of much use in this pirate situation though, because the destroyer doesn't have short period low amplitude vibrations that need to be damped. But like I said, if they're training consists mostly of using a gyro, they wouldn't take it off unless it would actually hurt accuracy. In this case, while it wouldn't help accuracy much, it wouldn't hurt either. So leave it on. I still have yet to see someone confirming that they were using gyro stabilized weapons though. Until that happens, this is all just speculation. I believe they used their normal rifles and their skills which are not stabilized in any way. *I tend to think that too Nellie. Someone said here that he jumped in again. When he did I bet they just went full auto and did a bonnie and clyde on the pirates. *Hopefully a sailor caught the action on his cell phone and will post it on you tube soon. Since you obviously like to watch snipers in action here is one for you:http://www.truveo.com/Juba-Sniper-ki...id/2112993970- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Jan I just want to see the latest in anti pirate tech. Hovering gryo stabalized rifles fired by keyboard mouse. I've decided to pack weapons aboard sailing south next time even with the customs hassles. I'm proud of the Navys accomplishments on this matter, they need to set the tone on how we will deal with Pirates. Do you often post links to ( masked cowards) , terrorist bragging about killing American troops? Joe |
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