Magic Head
 

Please post your results here. You have peaked my curiosity.


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Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__


"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Peggie Hall wrote:


Lines.....WHOOPS--we may be onto something: Is there a vented loop in
the head discharge line that has it's own tiny vent line that's teed
into the tank vent line? If so, where's the loop--before or after the
y-valve? I need all the details you can give me. If no loop (which,
since your toilet flushes directly overboard, there should be), is
ANYthing teed into the tank vent line?

This is definitely something I'll look for. The vent line comes off the
top of the tank and heads toward the stern but it's hard to see back
there so I've never traced it. It's *got* to be something like that.
There is no such thing as the supernatural!

I'll get back to you with my findings. Now I just need to decide whether
I move up the job of cleaning out that nasty, greasy helm locker before
I climb down in there to check this out.

Stephen

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Stephen Trapani wrote in message
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Well, I was going to wait until I tore things apart further to ask, but
I figured maybe someone would have an easy answer to save me some time.

Here's the punchline: When we use the head (a Groco Type K) and pump it
out, the waste comes out the holding tank vent line.

This seems impossible to me. First of all, the tank itself is empty and
regardless of which way I flip the Y valve the waste still comes out the
vent line, which is attached to a three inch screw in top, in the top of
the holding tank.

Here are some facts that may help: The water supply for the toilet is
the fresh water tank. The previous owners put a ball valve before the
head, when you turn it on, water comes in the toilet bowl, then you turn
it off/down while you pump out the bowl,etc, and leave it off until you
use the toilet again. Completely non-standard setup, I guess. I've been
working on other more important things, but this was going to be my
next, um job, sort of, but anyway the first thing I was going to try was
to open the seacock toilet waste valve. I haven't tried this yet though,
all this has been happening with that valve closed.

Also, waste slowly leaks from around the top of the tank, onto the top
of the tank either out of the vent line or from around the screw
fitting. Whenever I look there is a little puddle of waste on top of the
tank. Again this seems impossible. How does the waste even get there
when there seems to be none making into the tank and while there is
definitely none collecting in the tank itself. I'm very curious.

There are only three through hulls in the boat (H33), the raw water
intake for the Yanmar, the head discharge and the sink discharge. I
really don't want to haul out the boat to add one(budget problems).

So, um, guesses? solid answers? things I should check first? Directions
I should head to solve this?

Thanks!

Stephen

The only way this can happen is if the vent line goes to the bottom of
the tank. I assume you are very sure the tank is empty?

Rolf
If the tank was originally a recirculating head system and the PO decided fresh
water flush was nicer and capped the vent by mistake and hooked the vent up to
the recirculating line going to the bottom of the tank you would have the
problem you described. Check the tank and count the number of fittings on it.
recirculating tanks have 2 big lines and 2 small lines. If you have this and
one small line is capped just switch the small line for the small capped line
and try it out.

Magic Head
 

If the tank was originally a recirculating head system and the PO decided fresh
water flush was nicer and capped the vent by mistake and hooked the vent up to
the recirculating line going to the bottom of the tank you would have the
problem you described. Check the tank and count the number of fittings on it.
recirculating tanks have 2 big lines and 2 small lines. If you have this and
one small line is capped just switch the small line for the small capped line
and try it out.

Interesting thought, Rolf...but I don't THINK Hunter ever installed
those gawdawful recirculating systems. I've yet to hear of one anyway,
and I've been giving plumbing advice on the Hunter Owners site for more
than 5 years. All the builders who did install recirculating systems
used Raritan Compact toilets and either the Raritan the 5 gallon tank
that wraps around the bowl or a 5 gallon plastic tank made by
Kracor...the OEM toilets on 70s and early 80s Hunters were
Mansfield/SeaLand 751/752 manual toilets and their tanks were all aluminum.

But even if they did, it's unlikely the original tank would still be on
the boat. The toilet has definitely been replaced, and if the PO who did
that ever intended to use the tank, it would also have been replaced
with a larger one...'cuz once it was converted to use flush water
instead of recirculating waste water, a 5 gallon tank would fill up in a
day. It's also in the wrong location to have been part of a
recirculating system.

But as I said, it's a very interesting thought...I'm surprised anyone
today even knew that those systems ever existed.

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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

Magic Head
 

Probably...

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Keith
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You know you've hit the dock hard if it takes all your bilge pumps running
at full power for you to step onto the dock.
"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:27:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
said:

You have peaked my curiosity

And prolly piqued it too.

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Dave wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:27:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon" said:


You have peaked my curiosity


And prolly piqued it too.


Oh, honestly--Picky, peaky, pique-y! I'll definitely make y'all get a
peek at the answer.

--
Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1

Magic Head
 

"Dave the Spelling Fairy" wrote ...

You have peaked my curiosity

And prolly piqued it too.



yeah, that too.

SV

Magic Head
 

You can comment on someone else's improper word usage while using the word
"prolly"? How do you walk -- carry them in a wheelbarrow? ;-)

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Dave" wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:27:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
said:

You have peaked my curiosity

And prolly piqued it too.

Magic Head
 

I took that as a Jax attempt at humor, but then, I try to see humor in
everything.

--
Scott Vernon
Plowville PA __/)__/)__

"Karin Conover-Lewis" wrote in message
...
You can comment on someone else's improper word usage while using the word
"prolly"? How do you walk -- carry them in a wheelbarrow? ;-)

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:27:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon"
said:

You have peaked my curiosity

And prolly piqued it too.

Magic Head
 

Those are VERY kind words, John...thank you! :)

JohnH wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 19:06:33 GMT, Peggie Hall wrote:


Dave wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:27:45 GMT, "Scott Vernon" said:



You have peaked my curiosity


And prolly piqued it too.


Oh, honestly--Picky, peaky, pique-y! I'll definitely make y'all get a
peek at the answer.


Peggy, I don't have a head (on my boat), and I removed the porta-potty when my
wife said she'd rather me do that than her be responsible for cleaning it. That
means I have no reason whatsoever to read your posts.

Except...I find them entertaining and enlightening as hell. You give great
advice (I suppose!), and you do it with great wit and out of the goodness of
your heart.

You are a treasure. Please keep it up. Who knows, maybe someday I'll get a
bigger boat, with something other than a plastic bowl!

Thanks!

John H

On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!


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Peggie
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Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://69.20.93.241/store/customer/p...40&cat=&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327

Magic Head
 

See? Ain't hard to play Jax at all. lol

--
Karin Conover-Lewis
Fair and Balanced since 1959
klc dot lewis at centurytel dot net


"Scott Vernon" wrote in message
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I took that as a Jax attempt at humor, but then, I try to see humor in
everything.