In article ,
(JAXAshby) wrote:

propane. it has been around since Kriste was a corporal in the infantry.

and one should want an explosive gas onboard a sailboat, why?????

me

In article ,
(Richard Kollmann) wrote:

Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) Is not an Adler Barbour
refrigeration problem as Larry indicates it is a boat refrigeration
industry problem. It seems that only a very few boaters are concerned
with RFI, the others are willing to set the VHF squelch high enough to
silence it out. A few system manufacturers have received complaints
from ham operators about RF from their refrigerators or other boat's
refrigerator's parked nearby. On the few boats that are experiencing a
problem the full box copper screen over the condensing unit does seem
to satisfy at least three radio operators that answered my resent
survey

and why on earth, would one want to purchase an RFI Generator in
the first place just because the OEM's are to cheap to engineer
the refrigeration package right in the first place. For you
guys, that sell your junk to unsuspecting noncommercial boaters,
you can get away with that stuff, but just try and do that on a
Commercial Vessel (tug, pushboat, passenger boat, fish boat, or
ferry, ect) and you'll see the guy back in your shop after the
first trip, complaining about the NOISE it is causing in his radios,
and ready to rip the stuff out and toss it thru your front window.
These guys depend on a working radio with no noise. That radio
is their lifeline, when things go wrong, and when that happens,
they don't have time to go lookiing for the noise, and how to
turn it off. On an Inspected Vessel, they would tolerate that
kind of stuff onboard as they couldn't get a SOLAS Certificate
Issued, with RFI coming from onboard.


Bruce in alaska who HAS denied SOLAS Certificates due to
onboard RFI.......
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:05:55 GMT, something compelled Me
, to say:

In article ,
(JAXAshby) wrote:

propane. it has been around since Kriste was a corporal in the infantry.

and one should want an explosive gas onboard a sailboat, why?????

The electricity in the computer you're using to post to this
group has the potential of killing you, yet you use it. One
assumes that it's because you aren't sticking your fingers into
the power supply, or ****ing into the vents.

Propane isn't inherently dangerous, it just needs to be treated
with respect. A properly installed, maintained, and operated
propane system is safe. It's cost, availability, and ease of use
make it a very good source of heat in a boat.

Comment below....

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:18:06 GMT, Bruce in Alaska wrote:

In article ,
(Richard Kollmann) wrote:

Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) Is not an Adler Barbour
refrigeration problem as Larry indicates it is a boat refrigeration
industry problem. It seems that only a very few boaters are concerned
with RFI, the others are willing to set the VHF squelch high enough to
silence it out. A few system manufacturers have received complaints
from ham operators about RF from their refrigerators or other boat's
refrigerator's parked nearby. On the few boats that are experiencing a
problem the full box copper screen over the condensing unit does seem
to satisfy at least three radio operators that answered my resent
survey

and why on earth, would one want to purchase an RFI Generator in
the first place just because the OEM's are to cheap to engineer
the refrigeration package right in the first place. For you
guys, that sell your junk to unsuspecting noncommercial boaters,
you can get away with that stuff, but just try and do that on a
Commercial Vessel (tug, pushboat, passenger boat, fish boat, or
ferry, ect) and you'll see the guy back in your shop after the
first trip, complaining about the NOISE it is causing in his radios,
and ready to rip the stuff out and toss it thru your front window.
These guys depend on a working radio with no noise. That radio
is their lifeline, when things go wrong, and when that happens,
they don't have time to go lookiing for the noise, and how to
turn it off. On an Inspected Vessel, they would tolerate that
kind of stuff onboard as they couldn't get a SOLAS Certificate
Issued, with RFI coming from onboard.


Bruce in alaska who HAS denied SOLAS Certificates due to
onboard RFI.......

I have to agree with Bruce. As one who has designed a number
of commercial and industrial electronic products, I'll be the first
to admit designing to minimum RFI is a pain...mostly the testing
to make sure it was done right...but the techniques are so well
known it isn't rocket science anymore. There's really no excuse for
electrical equipment to cause RFI, either conducted or radiated.
Norm B

Questions of safety with propane on boats have long been addressed. The
real problem with absorption cycle refrigeration (gas refrigerators) is
that they must stay within 5 to 7 degrees of vertical. That makes them
great for RVs and maybe power boats but not for sailboats.
--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

diesel??

On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 00:05:55 GMT, something compelled Me
, to say:

In article ,
(JAXAshby) wrote:

propane. it has been around since Kriste was a corporal in the infantry.

and one should want an explosive gas onboard a sailboat, why?????

The electricity in the computer you're using to post to this
group has the potential of killing you, yet you use it. One
assumes that it's because you aren't sticking your fingers into
the power supply, or ****ing into the vents.

Propane isn't inherently dangerous, it just needs to be treated
with respect. A properly installed, maintained, and operated
propane system is safe. It's cost, availability, and ease of use
make it a very good source of heat in a boat.

The
real problem with absorption cycle refrigeration (gas refrigerators) is
that they must stay within 5 to 7 degrees of vertical.

not true. unless the vehicle is NOT moving side to side.

On 04 Jul 2004 02:05:22 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote:

The
real problem with absorption cycle refrigeration (gas refrigerators) is
that they must stay within 5 to 7 degrees of vertical.

not true. unless the vehicle is NOT moving side to side.

lateral forces mimic inclination.

Jax, you are so full of BS. Norcold and Dometic both say that their
units should be level within 2º when parked and should never exceed 10º
while operating underway. Sloshing side to side does prevent pooling as
long as the tilting is fairly equal in both directions. Sailboats on
passage tend to remain on one tack, and therefore heel in one direction,
for several hours.

In short, when I asked tech support at both companies to recommend their
products for my boat they both said don't do it.

JAXAshby wrote:
The
real problem with absorption cycle refrigeration (gas refrigerators) is
that they must stay within 5 to 7 degrees of vertical.


not true. unless the vehicle is NOT moving side to side.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com

you don't understand how the system works. please don't comment again.

The
real problem with absorption cycle refrigeration (gas refrigerators) is
that they must stay within 5 to 7 degrees of vertical.

not true. unless the vehicle is NOT moving side to side.

lateral forces mimic inclination.