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Doug Dotson July 1st 04 08:03 PM

Spade Anchor question
 
It's an A140. Specified for a boat in the 53' to 65' range. Our
boat is 43' and weighs in at 14 tons or so. I always use an
anchor that is one size larger than what is recommended by
the manufacturer.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Paul L" wrote in message
...
What size aluminum Spade do you have? How long/heavy is your boat. I'm
interested in going to an a spade.

Paul
www.jcruiser.org
"Doug Dotson" wrote in message
...
We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum
Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not
set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down
on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but
when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged
along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand
conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be
interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare,
disassembled amnd in a locker.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...
Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne,

Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site
bookmarked.

How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any
problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind
shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very
impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions.

Cindy

Lee Huddleston wrote:

BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade
anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade
from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt
service.








Doug Dotson July 1st 04 08:05 PM

Spade Anchor question
 
I suspect that the steel anchor would have been a better choice. It
seems that the aluminum one just isn;t heavy enough to settle in to
initiate a set.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
news:RAHEc.37251$cj3.21188@lakeread01...
Doug,

I am taking a steel and an aluminum 100 with me to the BVI for our
charter at the end of the month and one reason is to study the problem
you are having. (The other is to make it a "business expense".) :-) I
will report back on my results.

Glenn

Doug Dotson wrote:
We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum
Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not
set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down
on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but
when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged
along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand
conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be
interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare,
disassembled amnd in a locker.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message
...

Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne,

Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site
bookmarked.

How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any
problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind
shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very
impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions.

Cindy

Lee Huddleston wrote:

BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade
anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade
from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt
service.





--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com




Doug Dotson July 1st 04 08:10 PM

Spade Anchor question
 
We have pretty much decided to get a 60# CQR to
complement our 65# Bruce.

Doug
s/v Callista

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:06:12 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote:
We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum
Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not
set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand.


======================================

I'd guess that it's a weight issue since my 44# S100 has been very
good in those conditions.

I have a spare 44# delta plow if you'd like to negotiate...




[email protected] July 2nd 04 01:39 PM

Spade Anchor question
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:54:52 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would
like to use them on my web site if it is OK.

At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have
come up:

How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any
modifications?
How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? Same for the
yellow paint on all models? BTW, I have had two reports that 1-Shot
sign painters paint matches perfectly and last longer.

One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the
possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum
models. I have not had any reports of it but I have started adding a
piece of heat shrink tube and nylon washers to isolate the bolt.

Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been
reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It
seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing
off allowing the bolt to fall out. I have done a lot of research into
this accident and Nyloc nuts in general and just do not see how this is
possible. The people at Spade can't figure out how it could happen
either. There are a number of factors in the accident report that just
do not add up. However, to be safe, I am drilling the bolts on 140s and
200s and adding a stainless cotter pin. The bolts on the 100s and 80s is
to small for a pin.

I would like for everyone to check their anchors. THe nut should be
snug but not necessarily torqued down. If anyone finds one has backed
off even a little please let me know. If you don't plan on
disassembling the anchor, crimp the threads at the end just in case. If
you don't want to do that please add the nut to things to check on
your deck inspections.

Also, Nyloc nuts should not be reused. If you need to take your anchor
apart use a new nut. They are metric so if you can't find one, let me
know and I will send you a couple at no charge.

Again, I do not believe there is anything to it but I want everyone to
be on the safe side.

Glen,

Will you be have anyomore spades for sale? Are you the gentalman that
did a bulk order deal on Spade anchors about two years ago?

Thanks,

flyer

Glenn Ashmore July 2nd 04 02:08 PM

Spade Anchor question
 
wrote:

Glen,

Will you be have anyomore spades for sale? Are you the gentalman that
did a bulk order deal on Spade anchors about two years ago?

Thanks,

flyer


Yep, that's me. I am still bringing them in but right now except for
some S80s I am down to nothing but aluminum models. Great for ULDBs,
cats and tris but as Doug said, probably not the first choice for a
heavy passagemaker. Hope to get some more steel in by late August.

I don't know how much longer I can do it though. The whole idea was to
twist West Marine's tail and get their prices down. It evidently worked
because they dropped their prices considerably in this year's catalog.
Now it looks like everyone is chasing me. I dropped the prices another
$20-$40 in April just to keep the pressure up and Great Lakes did the
same soon after. If WM does the same I will be out of business. This
is still a hobby for me. I really enjoy meeting and talking anchors
with other sailors but it takes a lot of effort and investment to do
this. I need for it to contribute a little to the boating kitty or it is
not going to be worth doing.

--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at:
http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com


Lee Huddleston July 7th 04 05:14 AM

Spade Anchor question
 
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:54:52 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would
like to use them on my web site if it is OK.

At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have
come up:

How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any
modifications?


Glenn,

You would be most welcome to include my comments on your web site. My
boat is a 43 foot steel hull and deck, Mauritius 43 designed by Bruce
Roberts-Goodson, center cockpit, cutter-ketch, raised poop, about
32,000 lbs.

I got the 66 lb steel spade from you. It fits very well on my roller.
Unfortunately, I cannot tell you how well it holds; just after
purchasing the anchor a death in my family has kept me from sailing
this boat for a couple of years. Hopefully that will change soon.

I have always appreciated your good advice freely shared on this and
other news groups. I hope that you can keep "feeding your sailing
kitty." How about other boat parts or equipment? Got any deals on
isolation transformers?

Lee Huddleston
s/v Truelove
lying Sea Gate Marina
Beaufort, NC

alibisailor July 10th 04 07:03 AM

Spade Anchor question
 
Cindy Ballreich wrote in message ...
I saw a Spade anchor (S80) the other day that was different from
others that I've seen. The blade had a series of ridges on it
above where the shank attaches (the yellow part) and the shank
had a rounded detail along the top and bottom and appeared to
have been cast. Has anyone else seen one like this? Are there any
functional differences between this and the more common smooth
blade and shank?


My Spade A100 has a shank slightly off-center (as in not
perpendicular) with the plow. This doesn't seem to affect its ability
to set but was wondering if anyone out there has noticed the same
thing. My A80 is perfect however...

Jere Lull July 13th 04 06:44 AM

Spade Anchor question
 
We have used an aluminum Spade 80 for our 7000# boat for 5 seasons on
the Chesapeake.

In article sDzEc.37225$cj3.11922@lakeread01,
Glenn Ashmore wrote:

At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have
come up:

How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up?


The paint on the tip, of course, wore off fairly early, but that section
stays polished. The rest started flaking after a year or so, starting at
the edges. Half of it is gone now after more than 300 anchorings.
Mostly, it's the aluminum corroding.

One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the
possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum
models.


We have a very slight bit; nothing to be worried about.

Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been
reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It
seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing
off allowing the bolt to fall out.


Unlikely, in my mind. The bolt doesn't seem to be strained that much,
the nut even less. It would take an unlikely number of coincidences to
back the nut off AND punch the bolt out. Even with the bolt out, ours is
very difficult to disassemble with just a little dirt . Heck, removing
the bolt can be difficult in the Fall.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/


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