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Spade Anchor question
I saw a Spade anchor (S80) the other day that was different from
others that I've seen. The blade had a series of ridges on it above where the shank attaches (the yellow part) and the shank had a rounded detail along the top and bottom and appeared to have been cast. Has anyone else seen one like this? Are there any functional differences between this and the more common smooth blade and shank? |
Spade Anchor question
Spade experimented with cast steel back in 2001 and produced a limited
number of S80s between then and late 2002. The original idea was to change over all the models but they found that fabrication cost were higher than expected and after testing the performance was not improved enough to make it cost effective. Also, mud clings to those ripples making them harder to wash off. Cindy Ballreich wrote: I saw a Spade anchor (S80) the other day that was different from others that I've seen. The blade had a series of ridges on it above where the shank attaches (the yellow part) and the shank had a rounded detail along the top and bottom and appeared to have been cast. Has anyone else seen one like this? Are there any functional differences between this and the more common smooth blade and shank? -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Spade Anchor question
Thanks Glenn!
That's exactly the info I was after. Cindy Glenn Ashmore wrote: Spade experimented with cast steel back in 2001 and produced a limited number of S80s between then and late 2002. The original idea was to change over all the models but they found that fabrication cost were higher than expected and after testing the performance was not improved enough to make it cost effective. Also, mud clings to those ripples making them harder to wash off. |
Spade Anchor question
On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:55:49 GMT, Cindy Ballreich
wrote: Thanks Glenn! That's exactly the info I was after. Cindy Glenn Ashmore wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove |
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I would say the same thing about my purchase of a SPADE from Glenn.
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Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne,
Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
I bought the Spade A100 for my Nic 35 and love it. I have been concerned
somewhat with wear between the ss toggle and the alumimin shank, but it has not bee a problem. It fits fine on the roller for the CQR. It drops and sets and stays there -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
I like it better than the Bruce I've used before, and think it's
probably as good an anchor as I'm ever going to use. I have an A80 on a 26' flybridge cruiser which has seen service in Lake Superior (sand, rocks and more sand), Florida (coral shells, sand and weeds) and the San Juans and Alaska (a weird mix of shells, clay and hard muck. I've found the best way to set it is to drop it and leave it alone rather than dragging it in, especially in that crap in Alaska, where it seems to need time to let the point dig in. The only time it has ever dragged on us was in weeds in a big blow in Florida when it obviously didn't get all the way into the bottom because of the vegetation. It always reset when the 20+ foot tides would do a 180 on us in the bays in Alaska, even when we were anchored on a slope, which was most of the time. I think it dives through the weeds better than the Bruce and doesn't pull through the sand at all like the Bruce will. It holds better in those small rocks than the Bruce. It seems to like the Bruce roller just fine. Ashmore had the best price on them by far when I bought mine. Capt. Jeff |
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I've got an S-120 for my Krogen 42 and like it a lot so far. I anchor mostly
in mud on the Gulf Coast. It seems to take a bit more care to set than a Fortress, but once there seems to hold fine. Haven't had it out in real high winds, but it has held great in maybe 20 knot sustained. -- Keith __ Everybody should believe in something: I believe I'll have another drink. "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:17:41 GMT, Cindy Ballreich
wrote: Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. ============================================== I have the S100 which I bought as the primary anchor on a 22,000# flybridge sportfish (lots of windage). It replaced a 44# Delta Plow which had issues with setting and resetting. I regard the Spade as the best all around anchor I've ever owned. In two years of heavy use it never failed to set or reset regardless of bottom conditions. In very soft mud however, it needs some time to settle in before you back down on it. |
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I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would
like to use them on my web site if it is OK. At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any modifications? How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? Same for the yellow paint on all models? BTW, I have had two reports that 1-Shot sign painters paint matches perfectly and last longer. One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum models. I have not had any reports of it but I have started adding a piece of heat shrink tube and nylon washers to isolate the bolt. Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing off allowing the bolt to fall out. I have done a lot of research into this accident and Nyloc nuts in general and just do not see how this is possible. The people at Spade can't figure out how it could happen either. There are a number of factors in the accident report that just do not add up. However, to be safe, I am drilling the bolts on 140s and 200s and adding a stainless cotter pin. The bolts on the 100s and 80s is to small for a pin. I would like for everyone to check their anchors. THe nut should be snug but not necessarily torqued down. If anyone finds one has backed off even a little please let me know. If you don't plan on disassembling the anchor, crimp the threads at the end just in case. If you don't want to do that please add the nut to things to check on your deck inspections. Also, Nyloc nuts should not be reused. If you need to take your anchor apart use a new nut. They are metric so if you can't find one, let me know and I will send you a couple at no charge. Again, I do not believe there is anything to it but I want everyone to be on the safe side. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Spade Anchor question
We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum
Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
It rode fine on our roller. Yellow paint was gone within a week.
Doug s/v Callista "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:sDzEc.37225$cj3.11922@lakeread01... I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would like to use them on my web site if it is OK. At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any modifications? How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? Same for the yellow paint on all models? BTW, I have had two reports that 1-Shot sign painters paint matches perfectly and last longer. One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum models. I have not had any reports of it but I have started adding a piece of heat shrink tube and nylon washers to isolate the bolt. Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing off allowing the bolt to fall out. I have done a lot of research into this accident and Nyloc nuts in general and just do not see how this is possible. The people at Spade can't figure out how it could happen either. There are a number of factors in the accident report that just do not add up. However, to be safe, I am drilling the bolts on 140s and 200s and adding a stainless cotter pin. The bolts on the 100s and 80s is to small for a pin. I would like for everyone to check their anchors. THe nut should be snug but not necessarily torqued down. If anyone finds one has backed off even a little please let me know. If you don't plan on disassembling the anchor, crimp the threads at the end just in case. If you don't want to do that please add the nut to things to check on your deck inspections. Also, Nyloc nuts should not be reused. If you need to take your anchor apart use a new nut. They are metric so if you can't find one, let me know and I will send you a couple at no charge. Again, I do not believe there is anything to it but I want everyone to be on the safe side. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
Spade Anchor question
What size aluminum Spade do you have? How long/heavy is your boat. I'm
interested in going to an a spade. Paul www.jcruiser.org "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
I think their site says that you should use the steel version, unless you
just have a problem with weight, at which point you should use the aluminum model. Who can afford the SS one! ;-) -- Keith __ Bad spellers of the world UNTIE! "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
Spade Anchor question
Doug,
I am taking a steel and an aluminum 100 with me to the BVI for our charter at the end of the month and one reason is to study the problem you are having. (The other is to make it a "business expense".) :-) I will report back on my results. Glenn Doug Dotson wrote: We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:07:50 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote: It rode fine on our roller. Yellow paint was gone within a week. =================================== Same here. |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:06:12 -0400, "Doug Dotson"
wrote: We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. ====================================== I'd guess that it's a weight issue since my 44# S100 has been very good in those conditions. I have a spare 44# delta plow if you'd like to negotiate... |
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Glen,
I have an S-80 (bought from you) on my Morgan 30 and it rides beautifully on my roller. It replaced a much loved Delta and I was very pleased to find that I can use the roller's pin to hold it in place. The pin/holes would not line up with the hole on the Delta. I've only used the Spade for five nights anchoring but it has been great. I still have the yellow paint and I've had five easy sets and five restfull nights. What more can you ask for? Bill Adams Glenn Ashmore wrote: I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would like to use them on my web site if it is OK. At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any modifications? How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? Same for the yellow paint on all models? BTW, I have had two reports that 1-Shot sign painters paint matches perfectly and last longer. |
Spade Anchor question
It's an A140. Specified for a boat in the 53' to 65' range. Our
boat is 43' and weighs in at 14 tons or so. I always use an anchor that is one size larger than what is recommended by the manufacturer. Doug s/v Callista "Paul L" wrote in message ... What size aluminum Spade do you have? How long/heavy is your boat. I'm interested in going to an a spade. Paul www.jcruiser.org "Doug Dotson" wrote in message ... We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. |
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I suspect that the steel anchor would have been a better choice. It
seems that the aluminum one just isn;t heavy enough to settle in to initiate a set. Doug s/v Callista "Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message news:RAHEc.37251$cj3.21188@lakeread01... Doug, I am taking a steel and an aluminum 100 with me to the BVI for our charter at the end of the month and one reason is to study the problem you are having. (The other is to make it a "business expense".) :-) I will report back on my results. Glenn Doug Dotson wrote: We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. I dove down on it and poked the point into the bottom as far as I could, but when we drifted back on it it just flopped over and dragged along on its side. Had to switch to a CQR for grass/sand conditions. Spade (the company and reps) do not seem to be interested in giving any advice so we keep it as a spare, disassembled amnd in a locker. Doug s/v Callista "Cindy Ballreich" wrote in message ... Lee, Tamaroak, and Wayne, Yes, I was hoping that Glenn would answer. We've got his web site bookmarked. How are you guys liking your Spades? What size did you get? Any problems with your bow roller? How's the reset with big wind shifts? We've seen the Practical Sailor tests and they're very impressive, but they're not exactly "real world" conditions. Cindy Lee Huddleston wrote: BTW Cindy, Glenn Ashmore sells or at least used to sell Spade anchors, so he really knows of what he writes. I purchased a Spade from him and was very pleased with the price, advice, and the prompt service. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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We have pretty much decided to get a 60# CQR to
complement our 65# Bruce. Doug s/v Callista "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:06:12 -0400, "Doug Dotson" wrote: We have been somewhat dissapointed in our aluminum Spade. Works as well as the Bruce in mud, but will not set reliably in sand, especially grass over sand. ====================================== I'd guess that it's a weight issue since my 44# S100 has been very good in those conditions. I have a spare 44# delta plow if you'd like to negotiate... |
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:54:52 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would like to use them on my web site if it is OK. At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any modifications? How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? Same for the yellow paint on all models? BTW, I have had two reports that 1-Shot sign painters paint matches perfectly and last longer. One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum models. I have not had any reports of it but I have started adding a piece of heat shrink tube and nylon washers to isolate the bolt. Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing off allowing the bolt to fall out. I have done a lot of research into this accident and Nyloc nuts in general and just do not see how this is possible. The people at Spade can't figure out how it could happen either. There are a number of factors in the accident report that just do not add up. However, to be safe, I am drilling the bolts on 140s and 200s and adding a stainless cotter pin. The bolts on the 100s and 80s is to small for a pin. I would like for everyone to check their anchors. THe nut should be snug but not necessarily torqued down. If anyone finds one has backed off even a little please let me know. If you don't plan on disassembling the anchor, crimp the threads at the end just in case. If you don't want to do that please add the nut to things to check on your deck inspections. Also, Nyloc nuts should not be reused. If you need to take your anchor apart use a new nut. They are metric so if you can't find one, let me know and I will send you a couple at no charge. Again, I do not believe there is anything to it but I want everyone to be on the safe side. Glen, Will you be have anyomore spades for sale? Are you the gentalman that did a bulk order deal on Spade anchors about two years ago? Thanks, flyer |
Spade Anchor question
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 09:54:52 -0400, Glenn Ashmore
wrote: I sure appreciate all the kind words (mumble, shuffle, blush) and would like to use them on my web site if it is OK. At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the anchor riding on your roller? Did you have to make any modifications? Glenn, You would be most welcome to include my comments on your web site. My boat is a 43 foot steel hull and deck, Mauritius 43 designed by Bruce Roberts-Goodson, center cockpit, cutter-ketch, raised poop, about 32,000 lbs. I got the 66 lb steel spade from you. It fits very well on my roller. Unfortunately, I cannot tell you how well it holds; just after purchasing the anchor a death in my family has kept me from sailing this boat for a couple of years. Hopefully that will change soon. I have always appreciated your good advice freely shared on this and other news groups. I hope that you can keep "feeding your sailing kitty." How about other boat parts or equipment? Got any deals on isolation transformers? Lee Huddleston s/v Truelove lying Sea Gate Marina Beaufort, NC |
Spade Anchor question
Cindy Ballreich wrote in message ...
I saw a Spade anchor (S80) the other day that was different from others that I've seen. The blade had a series of ridges on it above where the shank attaches (the yellow part) and the shank had a rounded detail along the top and bottom and appeared to have been cast. Has anyone else seen one like this? Are there any functional differences between this and the more common smooth blade and shank? My Spade A100 has a shank slightly off-center (as in not perpendicular) with the plow. This doesn't seem to affect its ability to set but was wondering if anyone out there has noticed the same thing. My A80 is perfect however... |
Spade Anchor question
We have used an aluminum Spade 80 for our 7000# boat for 5 seasons on
the Chesapeake. In article sDzEc.37225$cj3.11922@lakeread01, Glenn Ashmore wrote: At the same time I would like some feedback on a few questions that have come up: How is the finish on the aluminum models holding up? The paint on the tip, of course, wore off fairly early, but that section stays polished. The rest started flaking after a year or so, starting at the edges. Half of it is gone now after more than 300 anchorings. Mostly, it's the aluminum corroding. One thing I have had in the back of my mind for some time is the possibility of corrosion around the stainless bolt in the aluminum models. We have a very slight bit; nothing to be worried about. Now the most important part: An incident in New Zealand has been reported in several sailing magazines that is causing some concern. It seems that the accident was blamed on the Nyloc nut on an S100 backing off allowing the bolt to fall out. Unlikely, in my mind. The bolt doesn't seem to be strained that much, the nut even less. It would take an unlikely number of coincidences to back the nut off AND punch the bolt out. Even with the bolt out, ours is very difficult to disassemble with just a little dirt . Heck, removing the bolt can be difficult in the Fall. -- Jere Lull Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD) Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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