Front hatch needed
 

Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson


Replace it with this. Only 75 dollars on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Mickey-Mouse,-Toilet-Seat,-Cut-Aluminum-Design!_W0QQitemZ370134895859QQcmdZViewItem

It would look real nice on your garbage scow.


Wilbur Hubbard

Front hatch needed
 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
.. .
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson

Front hatch needed
 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:42:40 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
.. .
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson


Replace it with this. Only 75 dollars on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Mickey-Mouse,-Toilet-Seat,-Cut-Aluminum-Design!_W0QQitemZ370134895859QQcmdZViewItem

It would look real nice on your garbage scow.


Wilbur Hubbard


There's always a wise guy in the crowd and I guess you are him. I
bought my boat 8 years ago, she was in pretty bad shape. Fortunately,
the wood was in pretty good shape. I stripped her down completely and
replaced or restored everything over a period of 4 years. I must have
put in over 2,000 hours of work into her, it payed in satisfaction and
not in dollars. In 2005 I fired up the new Chevy 327 in her and took
her out for the first of a series of sea trials. No leaks, just a few
things shaking loose. I'm sure if you could see her you would regret
your Mickey Mouse toilet seat comments. If you find a hatch let me
know, I'll buy you a new toilet seat.

Ron Wilson

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson

Don's has a lot of good stuff. They get new stock from discontinued models
as well as salvage. The couple times I've been there I ended up bringing
home a trunk full of stuff I didn't know I needed....
Good luck.

Front hatch needed
 

"mmc" wrote in message
g.com...

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson

Don's has a lot of good stuff. They get new stock from discontinued models
as well as salvage. The couple times I've been there I ended up bringing
home a trunk full of stuff I didn't know I needed....
Good luck.


People like Ron are usually way to cheap to actually buy things. He'd rather
go around and mooch things for free. His boat looks like a wreck. That
particular model was ugly when it was brand new. A forty-five year old wood
boat??? What good is that?


Wilbur Hubbard

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:42:40 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson


Replace it with this. Only 75 dollars on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Mickey-Mouse,-Toilet-Seat,-Cut-Aluminum-Design!_W0QQitemZ370134895859QQcmdZViewItem

It would look real nice on your garbage scow.


Wilbur Hubbard


There's always a wise guy in the crowd and I guess you are him. I
bought my boat 8 years ago, she was in pretty bad shape. Fortunately,
the wood was in pretty good shape. I stripped her down completely and
replaced or restored everything over a period of 4 years. I must have
put in over 2,000 hours of work into her, it payed in satisfaction and
not in dollars. In 2005 I fired up the new Chevy 327 in her and took
her out for the first of a series of sea trials. No leaks, just a few
things shaking loose. I'm sure if you could see her you would regret
your Mickey Mouse toilet seat comments. If you find a hatch let me
know, I'll buy you a new toilet seat.

Ron Wilson



And there's always a jerk in every crowd who thinks IDLE SPEED/NO WAKE zones
don't apply to him and his big wake producing boat. Nobody else really cares
about your project boat. What people like to see is a responsible boater who
obeys the law. And get some water lift mufflers on that thing. It makes
enough noise to wake up the dead.

Wilbur Hubbard

Front hatch needed
 

Ron Wilson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson
If its not too badly bent, why not re-glaze the existing hatch?

--
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Front hatch needed
 

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:27:17 +0000, IanM
wrote:

Ron Wilson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson
If its not too badly bent, why not re-glaze the existing hatch?


The problem is 2 of the 3 arms protecting the glass were bent and then
broke in 2 when I tried straightening them out. If I can't find a
replacement I will reglaze and have 3 new arms machined from some
aluminum stock. The cost of machining greatly exceeds my anticipated
cost of the hatch. But thanks for the helpful suggestion.

Ron Wilson

Front hatch needed
 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:35:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 13:42:40 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson


Replace it with this. Only 75 dollars on Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Custom-Mickey-Mouse,-Toilet-Seat,-Cut-Aluminum-Design!_W0QQitemZ370134895859QQcmdZViewItem

It would look real nice on your garbage scow.


Wilbur Hubbard


There's always a wise guy in the crowd and I guess you are him. I
bought my boat 8 years ago, she was in pretty bad shape. Fortunately,
the wood was in pretty good shape. I stripped her down completely and
replaced or restored everything over a period of 4 years. I must have
put in over 2,000 hours of work into her, it payed in satisfaction and
not in dollars. In 2005 I fired up the new Chevy 327 in her and took
her out for the first of a series of sea trials. No leaks, just a few
things shaking loose. I'm sure if you could see her you would regret
your Mickey Mouse toilet seat comments. If you find a hatch let me
know, I'll buy you a new toilet seat.

Ron Wilson



And there's always a jerk in every crowd who thinks IDLE SPEED/NO WAKE zones
don't apply to him and his big wake producing boat. Nobody else really cares
about your project boat. What people like to see is a responsible boater who
obeys the law. And get some water lift mufflers on that thing. It makes
enough noise to wake up the dead.

Wilbur Hubbard


You don't let up do you? If people weren't nice and didn't care I
wouldn't be getting some very helpful advice from people would I? I
always go through no wake zone at less than 4 knots, except on one
ocassion. I had some bad fuel and had to run it at higher RPM to keep
from stalling. There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer. He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay. Next thing I know he's taking me to
court. It was cheaper to pay him than to go to court so I did. Other
than that I exercise extreme care for others. Mufflers are not
original equipment on the boat and can cause more problems than they
fix. I also happen to enjoy the sound of the engine. Are you always so
cranky? Lighten up a bit before you get an ulcer. If you find a hatch
for me I'll get you some Pepto-Bismol for your stomach and some Midol
for your cramps.

Ron Wilson

Front hatch needed
 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:31:38 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"mmc" wrote in message
ng.com...

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
m...
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson

Don's has a lot of good stuff. They get new stock from discontinued models
as well as salvage. The couple times I've been there I ended up bringing
home a trunk full of stuff I didn't know I needed....
Good luck.


People like Ron are usually way to cheap to actually buy things. He'd rather
go around and mooch things for free. His boat looks like a wreck. That
particular model was ugly when it was brand new. A forty-five year old wood
boat??? What good is that?


Wilbur Hubbard



Damn! I reinstalled my Newsgroup reader (in Virtualbox) and forgot to
re-install Willy-Boy's permanent kill filter so here he is again......
Just as stupid as he was before I kill-filed him.

I reckon he must be one of those ol-boys that jest can't learn.
Aw well, back he goes in the Kill File.


Cheers,

Bruce

Front hatch needed
 

Ron Wilson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 00:27:17 +0000, IanM wrote:

If its not too badly bent, why not re-glaze the existing hatch?


The problem is 2 of the 3 arms protecting the glass were bent and then
broke in 2 when I tried straightening them out. If I can't find a
replacement I will reglaze and have 3 new arms machined from some
aluminum stock. The cost of machining greatly exceeds my anticipated
cost of the hatch. But thanks for the helpful suggestion.

Ron Wilson

Fair enough. You didn't mention they had broken ;-(

For further reference, copper (brass/bronze) and aluminium alloys are
nearly all 'hot short', i.e. if you try to bend them hot, they *will*
tend to break, but if you'd heated the bars first, dull red hot for
copper alloys and till a streak of ordinary soap blackens for aluminium
alloys, you might well have annealed them enough to straiten them
successfully. Any chance they might be brazed or welded successfully?

I'm still not quite clear if the frame is aluminium alloy or bronze. I'm
leaning towards aluminium at the moment due to your choice for possible
parts. If you are willing to settle for rectangular bars of an off the
shelf section, why not do it yourself? Shouldn't be more than an hour's
work with a hacksaw and a file to make a straight bar to fit nicely.
With care and some paraffin or even WD40 as a cutting oil, aluminium is
easy enough to tap by hand for the fixings so you might even be able to
do it all on board and save the hassle of removing the hatch.

--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:

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Ron Wilson wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:35:12 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
a big pile of crap
And you are taking him seriously :-(

Wilbur is believed by many to be the new alias of Capt. Neil, the
alt.sailing.asa troll of yesteryear. Infamous for his yellow Coranado
aground on a reef of discarded light beer cans and his ubiquitous ceder
bucket, used for *all* purposes including the washing up, he flooded
sailing groups with the same style of garbage Wilbur does until every
regular killfiled him except when we were bored and fancied some
extremely coarse fishing . . . . For his quality of verbiage and
unsavoury personal habits, he was known as Anal Discharge Neil or the
'Good' Crapton. ADN vanished, 'Wilma' appeared and the posts continued
to emanate from an orifice in his nether regions.

If by some miracle he *does* come up with a hatch for you, make sure the
toilet seat you owe him is natural unvarnished ceder and sized to fit
his bucket! You are more likely to see a KKK rally supporting Obama on
the whitehouse lawn first though.



--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:

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"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 11:34:38 -0500, "mmc" wrote:


"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
Hi everyone,

I need a replacement foredeck hatch for my 1963 28 foot Owens. It's
the type that is metal, round with glass in it and has 3 arms
protecting the glass. I dropped the anchor on it, bent 2 arms and
fractured the glass which now leaks. The boat is a full restoration so
I would prefer an exact replacement if possible. If you know of one,
or of a boat being parted out or of any other soure, please let me
know. I think the hatches were all the same on these boats over a
period of 6 years, so my chances of finding one aren't too remote.
Just remove INVALID from the email address to reply. I live in
southern Florida so if you are in the area I can drive over to pick it
up. Thanks,

Ron Wilson
Might try Sailorman in Ft Lauderdale or Dons Salvage in Clearwater.


Thank you, I've tried Sailorman but haven't heard of Don's salvage.

Ron Wilson
Ron,
marinerecycle@ yahoogroups.com would be a good place to post your
requirement.
If you can't find a replacement and want a copy, a CNC machine shop could
probably make a new frame out of a big hunk of aluminum. Might be big $$.
http://www.plasticsupply.net/

Front hatch needed
 

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:22:51 -0500, Ron Wilson
wrote:

There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer. He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.

No good deed will go unpunished. It sounds like you and "Wilma"
might have met ?

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
trimmed

You don't let up do you? If people weren't nice and didn't care I
wouldn't be getting some very helpful advice from people would I? I
always go through no wake zone at less than 4 knots, except on one
ocassion. I had some bad fuel and had to run it at higher RPM to keep
from stalling.


The idle speed/no wake law makes no exceptions for bad fuel, thunderstorms,
cold weather, testing the tune-up, etc. You're an idiot! You and others like
you act like you're some sort of privileged class the law doesn't apply to.
You get to do as you damned well please anytime you feel like. Well, the law
DOES apply to you. The next time you're having motor problems that make it
so you can't obey the law then stop and call TowBoat US or SeaTow. Spend
some money you cheapskate instead of waking innocent, law-abiding boaters
and then trying to weasel out of your obligations to be responsible for any
damage your wake caused.


There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer.


Wakes travel a long, long way, you idiot! Anytime you see anchored boats in
Florida the law states that you must slow down to idle speed when you're
withing 100 yards of them. Stupid people haven't a clue about how to operate
a boat safely. You must also slow down to idle speed within the same
distance of mangrove trees, shorelines and docks. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Only a selfish creep thinks his waking the hell out of anchored boats and
docked boats is OK just because his crap motor won't run at idle speeds.
Next time use your head and stop showing your ass.


He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.


You define good will as waking the hell out of a hundred or so boats. You're
very lucky nobody else demanded restitution. Maybe if you'd had to pay
several thousand dollars out of pocket you'd be less selfish and more law
abiding. And some good will you have there, buddy. Post a lame notice with a
bogus phone number and then attempt to fade away into the woodwork. Well, it
so happens your real information is easily gotten from your registration
number.

Next thing I know he's taking me to
court. It was cheaper to pay him than to go to court so I did.

It would have been far cheaper if only you'd obeyed the law. I get so tired
of selfish, manipulating idiots like you. I see half-dozen of you jerks
every week. Each of you has their own idiotic excuse. "This is a jet-ski -
it doesn't make a wake." "My little inflatable? It makes less wake when on
a plane than when going slow." "Oh, I just had a tune up and had to check to
see if the motor would top out." None of them, when they entered the
channel, bothered to read the posted sign stating Idle Speed/No Wake. How
do any of the above lame excuses comply with the Idle Speed part of the law?
Huh? I can't hear you. Probably because you didn't hear me because your
unmuffled boat blasts your eardrums out with 150 decibels. Stupid jerk!

Other
than that I exercise extreme care for others.


Liar!


Mufflers are not
original equipment on the boat and can cause more problems than they
fix. I also happen to enjoy the sound of the engine.

More selfishness. Typical powerboat asshole! Your desire for noise
supercedes the public's right to quiet. Is that how you view it. Are you the
King or Lord of the universe?

Are you always so
cranky?


Damed right I'm cranky. Assholes like you tend to make me so. The world
contains way too many of you losers lately.


Lighten up a bit before you get an ulcer. If you find a hatch
for me I'll get you some Pepto-Bismol for your stomach and some Midol
for your cramps.


If I had a hatch for you, you'd wake up in extreme pain and would have a
very hard time removing it from your ass.


Wilbur Hubbard

Front hatch needed
 

"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
trimmed

You don't let up do you? If people weren't nice and didn't care I
wouldn't be getting some very helpful advice from people would I? I
always go through no wake zone at less than 4 knots, except on one
ocassion. I had some bad fuel and had to run it at higher RPM to keep
from stalling.


The idle speed/no wake law makes no exceptions for bad fuel, thunderstorms,
cold weather, testing the tune-up, etc. You're an idiot! You and others like
you act like you're some sort of privileged class the law doesn't apply to.
You get to do as you damned well please anytime you feel like. Well, the law
DOES apply to you. The next time you're having motor problems that make it
so you can't obey the law then stop and call TowBoat US or SeaTow. Spend
some money you cheapskate instead of waking innocent, law-abiding boaters
and then trying to weasel out of your obligations to be responsible for any
damage your wake caused.


There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer.


Wakes travel a long, long way, you idiot! Anytime you see anchored boats in
Florida the law states that you must slow down to idle speed when you're
withing 100 yards of them. Stupid people haven't a clue about how to operate
a boat safely. You must also slow down to idle speed within the same
distance of mangrove trees, shorelines and docks. NO EXCEPTIONS!
Only a selfish creep thinks his waking the hell out of anchored boats and
docked boats is OK just because his crap motor won't run at idle speeds.
Next time use your head and stop showing your ass.


He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.


You define good will as waking the hell out of a hundred or so boats. You're
very lucky nobody else demanded restitution. Maybe if you'd had to pay
several thousand dollars out of pocket you'd be less selfish and more law
abiding. And some good will you have there, buddy. Post a lame notice with a
bogus phone number and then attempt to fade away into the woodwork. Well, it
so happens your real information is easily gotten from your registration
number.

Next thing I know he's taking me to
court. It was cheaper to pay him than to go to court so I did.

It would have been far cheaper if only you'd obeyed the law. I get so tired
of selfish, manipulating idiots like you. I see half-dozen of you jerks
every week. Each of you has their own idiotic excuse. "This is a jet-ski -
it doesn't make a wake." "My little inflatable? It makes less wake when on
a plane than when going slow." "Oh, I just had a tune up and had to check to
see if the motor would top out." None of them, when they entered the
channel, bothered to read the posted sign stating Idle Speed/No Wake. How
do any of the above lame excuses comply with the Idle Speed part of the law?
Huh? I can't hear you. Probably because you didn't hear me because your
unmuffled boat blasts your eardrums out with 150 decibels. Stupid jerk!

Other
than that I exercise extreme care for others.


Liar!


Mufflers are not
original equipment on the boat and can cause more problems than they
fix. I also happen to enjoy the sound of the engine.

More selfishness. Typical powerboat asshole! Your desire for noise
supercedes the public's right to quiet. Is that how you view it. Are you the
King or Lord of the universe?

Are you always so
cranky?


Damed right I'm cranky. Assholes like you tend to make me so. The world
contains way too many of you losers lately.


Lighten up a bit before you get an ulcer. If you find a hatch
for me I'll get you some Pepto-Bismol for your stomach and some Midol
for your cramps.


If I had a hatch for you, you'd wake up in extreme pain and would have a
very hard time removing it from your ass.


Wilbur Hubbard

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Please excuse the double post. Must have been a server glitch or something.


"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

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Real sailors don't complain about other people not observing "No Wake"
zones, because real sailors are out at sea instead of sitting in marinas.

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

(rant snipped)

Real sailors don't complain about other people not observing "No Wake"
zones, because real sailors are out at sea instead of sitting in marinas.


Oh, aren't WE clever! Not! Real sailors don't sail every waking hour of
every waking day of every waking year of their lives. Duh! Don't you have a
shirt or something to iron?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

(rant snipped)

Real sailors don't complain about other people not observing "No Wake"
zones, because real sailors are out at sea instead of sitting in marinas.


Oh, aren't WE clever! Not! Real sailors don't sail every waking hour of
every waking day of every waking year of their lives. Duh! Don't you have
a shirt or something to iron?

Wilbur Hubbard

There are "real sailors," and then there are "Real Sailors." "Real Sailors"
don't iron shirts.

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

(rant snipped)

Real sailors don't complain about other people not observing "No Wake"
zones, because real sailors are out at sea instead of sitting in marinas.

Oh, aren't WE clever! Not! Real sailors don't sail every waking hour of
every waking day of every waking year of their lives. Duh! Don't you have
a shirt or something to iron?

Wilbur Hubbard

There are "real sailors," and then there are "Real Sailors." "Real Sailors"
don't iron shirts.




I dunno 'bout that, KC.

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

:)

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:57:31 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

When I was in the USAF the commercial laundry would put the crease in
a different place each time and when my pants all had four or five
white lines I retired them and starting doing the new ones myself. We
called Summer Creases some are here, some are there. Life has always
sucked in the military for the lowest ranks. Nobody said anything
about the creases, they knew about the ****ty laundry.

Casady

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Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:57:31 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

When I was in the USAF the commercial laundry would put the crease in
a different place each time and when my pants all had four or five
white lines I retired them and starting doing the new ones myself. We
called Summer Creases some are here, some are there. Life has always
sucked in the military for the lowest ranks. Nobody said anything
about the creases, they knew about the ****ty laundry.

Casady


Did you ever hear the advice about dressing for the job you want - not
the one you have?

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"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
I dunno 'bout that, KC.

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

:)



Good thing you wore trousers over them, eh? :-D

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KLC Lewis wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
I dunno 'bout that, KC.

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

:)



Good thing you wore trousers over them, eh? :-D


DOH! - I hate when that happens!

WAAY too much Freud in that slip!

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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
KLC Lewis wrote:
"cavelamb" wrote in message
...
I dunno 'bout that, KC.

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

:)



Good thing you wore trousers over them, eh? :-D
DOH! - I hate when that happens!

WAAY too much Freud in that slip!

Is "anal retentive" supposed to be hyphenated? ;-)

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"cavelamb" wrote in message
m...
Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:57:31 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

When I was in the USAF the commercial laundry would put the crease in
a different place each time and when my pants all had four or five
white lines I retired them and starting doing the new ones myself. We
called Summer Creases some are here, some are there. Life has always
sucked in the military for the lowest ranks. Nobody said anything
about the creases, they knew about the ****ty laundry.

Casady


Did you ever hear the advice about dressing for the job you want - not
the one you have?
Yeah, but I couldn't get over the idea that putting Admirals shoulder boards
on my Crackerjacks was going to get my skinny little butt kicked.

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 19:55:12 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 16:57:31 -0600, cavelamb
wrote:

My wife would iron my uniform shorts for daily use.
But for inspections I had to do them myself.
She couldn't do military creases and get them straight.

When I was in the USAF the commercial laundry would put the crease in
a different place each time and when my pants all had four or five
white lines I retired them and starting doing the new ones myself. We
called Summer Creases some are here, some are there. Life has always
sucked in the military for the lowest ranks. Nobody said anything
about the creases, they knew about the ****ty laundry.

Casady


Did you ever hear the advice about dressing for the job you want - not
the one you have?

I did do it myself to have it right, although all the single guys had
multiple creases. Married, the wife did them. The job I wanted was war
victory celebrating civilian.

Casady

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:32:37 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:22:51 -0500, Ron Wilson
wrote:

There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer. He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.

No good deed will go unpunished. It sounds like you and "Wilma"
might have met ?


First I'd like to thank all those for their great advice. The good
news is I have a replacement hatch being shipped to me this very
moment. Thanks for the time and thoughtfulness.

Now for the second matter. I was wondering is this "Wilbur" was just
lucky guessing about me and my boat. Seemed way too much to be just
coincidence. Then someone pointed his real identity. I deeply reget
to say that yes I have had a few run ins in person with the guy. I
live on Matecumbe Key (Upper) and everyone's friend is moored just a
few hundred yards to the west. I can see his yellow **** stain of a
boat from my 2nd floor. He was the guy who claimed I broke his
notebook computer. Turn about is fair play so here's the dirt on the
guy.

He's been living here ever since I was here which is 15 years. He's
infamous for his letters to the editor of the local papers and has an
opinion on everything. You can usually find him drunk down at the
Lorilie Bar, just look for the heavily rusted Toyota pickup parked
outside. When he's on his boat he parks the rust heap over on Mastic
St where the rust stains are embedded into the pavement. He's not a
full time liveaboard he rents a room in a house over on Catherine St,
I don't recall the address but can easily go look. I've seen him
around town with an attractive but very dumb Cuban woman. They both
tried living aboard **** boat and the fighting could be heard over one
mile away across the water, especially at night. He's usually in some
type of minor legal trouble such as peeing over the side of his boat
in view of people, perpetual parking violations and loitering. The
Asian food place is the only place that tolerated him. I could go on
and on about him and probably write a book. The police found a big
stash of stolen property in the mangroves and never found out who
stole it. The telltale sign was a well beaten path leading straight to
the shoreline closest to his boat. I hope all this information ****es
the Sot off royally, he deserves. If he doesn't shut up I have much
more to tell like the time the Greek sponge guy beat him senseless.
Keep up the good work "Wilbur" so I can conjur up some embarrassing
photos of you.

That aside, thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions.
Hopefully someday I can return the favor.

Ron Wilson

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 19:56:13 -0500, Ron Wilson
wrote:

I
live on Matecumbe Key (Upper) and everyone's friend is moored just a
few hundred yards to the west.

Dayummm, we were just down that way, could have waked him good.
Sounds like he must be just a little west of "Yellow Shark Channel".

:-)

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"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
...
You do realize Ron Wilson that others know where YOU live and where
your boat is. Maybe you should try keeping your mouth shut.

Socks to the defense. How interesting.

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"Nomen Nescio" wrote in message
...
trimmed



You do realize Ron Wilson that others know where YOU live and where
your boat is. Maybe you should try keeping your mouth shut.


Good point.

Wilbur might be somebody not to be screwing with. Boats can be sunk, houses
can be vandalized or robbed. If this Wilbur Hubbard character is as sleazy
as Wilson claims what's to stop him from exacting revenge?

--
Gregory Hall

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On Feb 16, 6:56*pm, Ron Wilson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:32:37 -0500, Wayne.B

wrote:
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:22:51 -0500, Ron Wilson
wrote:

There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer. He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.

No good deed will go unpunished. * It sounds like you and "Wilma"
might have met ?

First I'd like to thank all those for their great advice. The good
news is I have a replacement hatch being shipped to me this very
moment. *Thanks for the time and thoughtfulness.

Now for the second matter. I was wondering is this "Wilbur" was just
lucky guessing about me and my boat. Seemed way too much to be just
coincidence. Then *someone pointed his real identity. I deeply reget
to say that yes I have had a few run ins in person with the guy. I
live on Matecumbe Key (Upper) and everyone's friend is moored just a
few hundred yards to the west.

I bet you are happy the prevailing wind is from the east

I can see his yellow **** stain of a
boat from my 2nd floor.

Do you have a good scope and rifle?

He was the guy who claimed I broke his
notebook computer. Turn about is fair play so here's the dirt on the
guy.

Did he try to bill you for a broke boom too?


He's been living here ever since I was here which is 15 years.

I bet the boat has never moved either, has it Ron?

He's
infamous for his letters to the editor of the local papers and has an
opinion on everything. You can usually find him drunk down at the
Lorilie Bar, just look for the heavily rusted Toyota pickup parked
outside.

Bwahahahaa a

When he's on his boat he parks the rust heap over on Mastic
St where the rust stains are embedded into the pavement.

Trash men on strike?

He's not a
full time liveaboard he rents a room in a house over on Catherine St,

So he can get away with dumping 15 years of crap in your water.

I don't recall the address but can easily go look. I've seen him
around town with an attractive but very dumb Cuban woman.

Was she of legal age?

They both
tried living aboard **** boat and the fighting could be heard over one
mile away across the water, especially at night.

A Nautical mile?

He's usually in some
type of minor legal trouble such as peeing over the side of his boat
in view of people, perpetual parking violations and loitering.

Did you hear of his Wal-Mart caper?

The
Asian food place is the only place that tolerated him. I could go on
and on about him and probably write a book. The police found a big
stash of stolen property in the mangroves and never found out who
stole it.

Was it a huge pile of Wal-Mart batteries?

The telltale sign was a well beaten path leading straight to
the shoreline closest to his boat. I hope all this information ****es
the Sot off royally, he deserves. If he doesn't shut up I have much
more to tell like the time the Greek sponge guy beat him senseless.

He will never shut up, go ahead and tells us, his socks will have a
fit.

Keep up the good work "Wilbur" so I can conjur up some embarrassing
photos of you.

Please post one of the rusted out Toyota. Weve all seen his ****
stain yellow boat.

That aside, thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions.
Hopefully someday I can return the favor.

Good luck with the Owens

Joe
Owens Aruba 42

Ron Wilson

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:50:55 -0800, Nomen Nescio
wrote:

You do realize Ron Wilson that others know where YOU live and where
your boat is. Maybe you should try keeping your mouth shut.

That could probably be interpreted as a threat in a court of law.
I'll let Dave, our resident counselor, give the final ruling.

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Ron Wilson wrote:

Now for the second matter. I was wondering is this "Wilbur" was just
lucky guessing about me and my boat. Seemed way too much to be just
coincidence. Then someone pointed his real identity. I deeply reget
to say that yes I have had a few run ins in person with the guy. I
live on Matecumbe Key (Upper) and everyone's friend is moored just a
few hundred yards to the west. I can see his yellow **** stain of a
boat from my 2nd floor.

Ok that is a pretty solid confirmation that Wilma really is ADN.
Now the sockpuppets will be claiming that *you* are Wilma and they've
been trolling us, but as Wilma has *never* produced photographic
evidence of any claim, that's easy enough to disprove if you'll play
along. A link to a photo of you by your boat, holding either the new or
broken hatch should do it :-)

He was the guy who claimed I broke his
notebook computer. Turn about is fair play so here's the dirt on the
guy.
Pity you didn't break it permanently. Just about every sailor on usenet
would happily chip in on a defence fund if you got him off the net and
he tried to sue. . .


He's been living here ever since I was here which is 15 years. He's
infamous for his letters to the editor of the local papers and has an
opinion on everything. You can usually find him drunk down at the
Lorilie Bar, just look for the heavily rusted Toyota pickup parked
outside. When he's on his boat he parks the rust heap over on Mastic
St where the rust stains are embedded into the pavement. He's not a
full time liveaboard he rents a room in a house over on Catherine St,
I don't recall the address but can easily go look. I've seen him
around town with an attractive but very dumb Cuban woman. They both
tried living aboard **** boat and the fighting could be heard over one
mile away across the water, especially at night. He's usually in some
type of minor legal trouble such as peeing over the side of his boat
in view of people, perpetual parking violations and loitering. The
Asian food place is the only place that tolerated him. I could go on
and on about him and probably write a book. The police found a big
stash of stolen property in the mangroves and never found out who
stole it. The telltale sign was a well beaten path leading straight to
the shoreline closest to his boat. I hope all this information ****es
the Sot off royally, he deserves. If he doesn't shut up I have much
more to tell like the time the Greek sponge guy beat him senseless.
Keep up the good work "Wilbur" so I can conjur up some embarrassing
photos of you.
*please* do. Dont compromise yourself taking them though, strictly in
public places :-) A 'rouges' gallery of shots of Wilma, that anyone who
believes him could be directed to would be a service to the sailing
community.


That aside, thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions.
Hopefully someday I can return the favor.

Ron Wilson


--
Ian Malcolm. London, ENGLAND. (NEWSGROUP REPLY PREFERRED)
ianm[at]the[dash]malcolms[dot]freeserve[dot]co[dot]uk
[at]=@, [dash]=- & [dot]=. *Warning* HTML & 32K emails -- NUL:

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"Ron Wilson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:32:37 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:22:51 -0500, Ron Wilson
wrote:

There was a wake in the marina and I posted a notice at
the club house offering to pay for any damages. No one made any claims
until 3 weeks later when someone whose boat wasn't in the marina or
even within a quarter mile of the incident claimed my wake broke his
onboard notebook computer. He was obviously taking advantage of my
goodwill so I refused to pay.

No good deed will go unpunished. It sounds like you and "Wilma"
might have met ?


First I'd like to thank all those for their great advice. The good
news is I have a replacement hatch being shipped to me this very
moment. Thanks for the time and thoughtfulness.

Now for the second matter. I was wondering is this "Wilbur" was just
lucky guessing about me and my boat. Seemed way too much to be just
coincidence. Then someone pointed his real identity. I deeply reget
to say that yes I have had a few run ins in person with the guy. I
live on Matecumbe Key (Upper) and everyone's friend is moored just a
few hundred yards to the west. I can see his yellow **** stain of a
boat from my 2nd floor. He was the guy who claimed I broke his
notebook computer. Turn about is fair play so here's the dirt on the
guy.

He's been living here ever since I was here which is 15 years. He's
infamous for his letters to the editor of the local papers and has an
opinion on everything. You can usually find him drunk down at the
Lorilie Bar, just look for the heavily rusted Toyota pickup parked
outside. When he's on his boat he parks the rust heap over on Mastic
St where the rust stains are embedded into the pavement. He's not a
full time liveaboard he rents a room in a house over on Catherine St,
I don't recall the address but can easily go look. I've seen him
around town with an attractive but very dumb Cuban woman. They both
tried living aboard **** boat and the fighting could be heard over one
mile away across the water, especially at night. He's usually in some
type of minor legal trouble such as peeing over the side of his boat
in view of people, perpetual parking violations and loitering. The
Asian food place is the only place that tolerated him. I could go on
and on about him and probably write a book. The police found a big
stash of stolen property in the mangroves and never found out who
stole it. The telltale sign was a well beaten path leading straight to
the shoreline closest to his boat. I hope all this information ****es
the Sot off royally, he deserves. If he doesn't shut up I have much
more to tell like the time the Greek sponge guy beat him senseless.
Keep up the good work "Wilbur" so I can conjur up some embarrassing
photos of you.

That aside, thanks again everyone for the help and suggestions.
Hopefully someday I can return the favor.

Ron Wilson

Glad you found a hatch Ron!
Thanks for the enlightenment on "Sir Yanksalot". He's got many, many
disgruntled and disfunctional personalities living in that flea infested
head.

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"Joe" wrote in message
...
trimmed

I bet you are happy the prevailing wind is from the east

Oh, you're just so clever. Such originality!

trimmed

Do you have a good scope and rifle?

That could get you tossed into jail. A public firearms threat - not the
smartest of things to say.

trimmed

Did he try to bill you for a broke boom too?

I assume you refer to Capt. Neal®. The boom on my Allied Seawind 32, main or
mizzen has never broken.

trimmed

I bet the boat has never moved either, has it Ron?

That boat has been around the world on its own bottom two or three times.
Just because the old gentleman has family business to attend to lately
doesn't mean it will never move again. And here's a clue. Ron is a liar and
an asshole. Exactly what one would expect from a stink potter.

trimmed

Trash men on strike?

You should know. Your job riding on the back of that garbage truck is a step
up from your McDonald's fry cook job though.

trimmed

So he can get away with dumping 15 years of crap in your water.

Speaking of dumping. Did you ever find the remains of Red Cloud that you
dumped into the Gulf of Mexico? All that rusty metal, oil, diesel, coffee
etc will be polluting the area of the Gulf where she was abandoned and sunk
for years to come. Green coffee??? Yah, right!

trimmed

Was she of legal age?

Knowing the Good Captain, I'd say she probably is by now.

trimmed

Did you hear of his Wal-Mart caper?

That was a Capt. Neal® troll. He told me about how so many gullible idiots
fell for it lock stock and barrel.

trimmed

Was it a huge pile of Wal-Mart batteries?

Lame!

trimmed

Please post one of the rusted out Toyota. Weve all seen his ****
stain yellow boat.

As rough as it is, it's probably more than you have since all your tired
vehicles probably got blown into the lake.

Joe
Owens Aruba 42

Another stink-potter! Bwahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahah. Couldn't handle a
sailboat and finally realized it? Well, perhaps that's a step in the right
direction.

Wilbur Hubbard
(an acquaintence of the Good Captain)

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"Bruce at the Bangkok Dock for 30 Years" lied, as
usual, in message ...
trimmed

Damn! I reinstalled my Newsgroup reader (in Virtualbox) and forgot to
re-install Willy-Boy's permanent kill filter so here he is again......
Just as stupid as he was before I kill-filed him.

I reckon he must be one of those ol-boys that jest can't learn.
Aw well, back he goes in the Kill File.


I believe you. Bwahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhhah!

Wilbur Hubbard