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Gordon wrote:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html Somehow I don't think it's a real Ranger,,, I think the smallest they made was 21' and it had a 30 horse Yanmar, which by itself would be worth a good deal more than this little guy. I think it's a scaled down copy.... Cheers Martin |
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Marty wrote:
Gordon wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html Somehow I don't think it's a real Ranger,,, I think the smallest they made was 21' and it had a 30 horse Yanmar, which by itself would be worth a good deal more than this little guy. I think it's a scaled down copy.... I won't even give it copy status as it doesn't look like I remember Ranger 21's looking. I think the guy just called it a Ranger maybe in hopes of riding on a famous name or just pulled the name out of the air. |
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On Feb 7, 11:37*pm, Gordon wrote:
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html * *g Yuck! Did that design come from a childrens book named the little tug that can't ? Check this out: https://vanimages.yachtworld.com/1/0...?1161068400000 Joe |
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Larry wrote:
Gordon wrote in news:hKWdnYcFFrn- : http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html How Cute! Let's hope, in Seattle, that there's some way to steer it from INSIDE the little deck house, not just sitting out in the freezing rain clutching the tiller, fingers unable to grasp with frostbite. And that is in the middle of July!!!!! Gordon |
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"katy" wrote in message . com... Gordon wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html g Looks like an outhouse... Agreed. It is surprising how many people think that you can have 6' headroom regardless of boat length. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message . com... Gordon wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html g Looks like an outhouse... Agreed. It is surprising how many people think that you can have 6' headroom regardless of boat length. Ya, less than 30' it will be difficult to have 6' standing headroom unless you have deep bilges and a very low sole, unless, of course, you don't mind the "outhouse" look. Catboats usually don't have standing headroom unless they are very, very big -- yet they can have tremendous living space for an otherwise "short" boat. |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Edgar" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message . com... Gordon wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html g Looks like an outhouse... Agreed. It is surprising how many people think that you can have 6' headroom regardless of boat length. Ya, less than 30' it will be difficult to have 6' standing headroom unless you have deep bilges and a very low sole, unless, of course, you don't mind the "outhouse" look. Catboats usually don't have standing headroom unless they are very, very big -- yet they can have tremendous living space for an otherwise "short" boat. *real* catboats... http://www.catboats.org/cats4sale/archive/cats141.htm |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
Ya, less than 30' it will be difficult to have 6' standing headroom unless you have deep bilges and a very low sole, unless, of course, you don't mind the "outhouse" look. Check out the CS27..... Cheers Martin |
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"Marty" wrote in message ... KLC Lewis wrote: Ya, less than 30' it will be difficult to have 6' standing headroom unless you have deep bilges and a very low sole, unless, of course, you don't mind the "outhouse" look. Check out the CS27..... Cheers Martin Ya, in that type of boat you're pretty-much standing on the bottom of the hull. Nice lines. Seems to make the most of the available space in a good looking package. |
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m: Larry wrote: Gordon wrote in news:hKWdnYcFFrn- : http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/boa/1025622464.html How Cute! Let's hope, in Seattle, that there's some way to steer it from INSIDE the little deck house, not just sitting out in the freezing rain clutching the tiller, fingers unable to grasp with frostbite. And that is in the middle of July!!!!! Gordon When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; |
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KLC Lewis wrote:
"Marty" wrote in message ... KLC Lewis wrote: Ya, less than 30' it will be difficult to have 6' standing headroom unless you have deep bilges and a very low sole, unless, of course, you don't mind the "outhouse" look. Check out the CS27..... Cheers Martin Ya, in that type of boat you're pretty-much standing on the bottom of the hull. Nice lines. Seems to make the most of the available space in a good looking package. That's true, generally when people come aboard mine they remark "Holy crap! That's a long way down!" Cheers Martin |
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Marty wrote in
: That's true, generally when people come aboard mine they remark "Holy crap! That's a long way down!" The Amel Sharki has that effect, too. When you sit in the center cockpit seats, the seat back/coaming and winches are level with your shoulder blades. My feet barely touch the deck if I'm sitting back. If you trip coming aboard it IS a long way down to that deck! The other shocker is how far down it is to the engine room. There's a hatch on both sides of the engine to access the front of the engine you can't get to from lifting the whole cockpit deck top hatch. One side is easy as it's the starboard passageway to the aft cabin. The engine room hatch is a little below the deck level in a little well giving you a seat. The PORT side, however, is another matter! There is a "trunk" you must lower yourself into with no steps only a little bigger than a fat man (me). The hatch to the port side of the engine is in the BOTTOM of it, meaning one must crouch down with his knees into his ears to get to it. When a 6' man stands up in this trunk, only the top half of his head is above the level of the hatch above it (and the port lazerette) that forms the port seat in the cockpit. It's very deep and a PITA to get into/out of! Of course THAT's where the damned seawater impeller must be changed from on the Perkins 4-105 tractor engine. It's 5 steps more from cockpit deck level down to cabin deck level. Standing in the cabin looking out the ports, you're eye is at the level of the shoes of anyone standing on deck...far above. In the sole of the cabin are several access hatches into the bilge, one above the bilge sump everything but the head dumps into. This cavity is like looking into a sewer through a manhole cover! There is NO WAY of reaching anything to do with the bilge pump or its switch laying on your belly over this hatch. You hand doesn't reach halfway down! You need a grappling arm of some sort to get down there. I have no idea how you'd get to the pump if the bilge were flooded. There is a large manual diaphram junk pump located under the steps to the cockpit, its handle fits into a slot in the second step. Pump out the bilge, first, I suppose. It has 3 electric pumps, one large diaphram trash pump that sucks out the kitchen food that gets down the sink and two automatic RULE monsters that could double for jet propulsion if the batteries hold up, the biggest pumps RULE makes. When you open the tap on the sinks, or take a shower, you simply start the trash pump to pump it over the side. I don't know what's living way down in her bilge. I've never been growled at. I'm amazed how clean it stays with all that dishwater dumping into there and being pumped out. And, oddly, it doesn't stink like other boats with standing bilge water. "Let Dawn move stink out of your bilge!" |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:38:35 +0000, Larry wrote:
When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; It's my understanding that day may not have arrived at all last year. Maybe they'll get 2 days in '09. I hope so because we are thinking of taking a cruise up that way later this year. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:38:35 +0000, Larry wrote: When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; It's my understanding that day may not have arrived at all last year. Maybe they'll get 2 days in '09. I hope so because we are thinking of taking a cruise up that way later this year. Ah, fer crying out loud! Try not to take what Larry writes too seriously. The Fingerlakes have lovely warm summers, I live somewhat north of the region and have visited there many times in summer. The area is probably among the most beautiful in the north-east USA, I think Larry is trying to keep it for himself. Don't believe what he says about the winters there either, I guarantee you that a winter in the Upper Peninsula, North Dakota, or even Minnesota is way, way, way more harsh. Cheers Martin |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:13:48 -0500, Marty said: Ya, in that type of boat you're pretty-much standing on the bottom of the hull. Nice lines. Seems to make the most of the available space in a good looking package. That's true, generally when people come aboard mine they remark "Holy crap! That's a long way down!" What Ray Wall did was to design a boat with high topsides, and then hide the height with a wide dark shear stripe. That made it unnecessary to stick on a big cabin top. The design has much of the kind of interior volume you'd get from a raised deck. The real trick was to get some decent performance with such high topsides. Hence the fairly deep fin keel. Mine has a blue hull, small white boot stripe..... but does go well for a boat with 24' LWL... Cheers Martin ------------ And now a word from our sponsor ------------------ Want to have instant messaging, and chat rooms, and discussion groups for your local users or business, you need dbabble! -- See http://netwinsite.com/sponsor/sponsor_dbabble.htm ---- |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:38:35 +0000, Larry wrote: When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; It's my understanding that day may not have arrived at all last year. Maybe they'll get 2 days in '09. I hope so because we are thinking of taking a cruise up that way later this year. Upstate NY has always been a great place to be FROM...... |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Wayne.B wrote in : On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:38:35 +0000, Larry wrote: When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; It's my understanding that day may not have arrived at all last year. Maybe they'll get 2 days in '09. I hope so because we are thinking of taking a cruise up that way later this year. Upstate NY has always been a great place to be FROM...... Coldest freakin week I ever spent was in and around Rochester in February... brrrr.... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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easolutions: Coldest freakin week I ever spent was in and around Rochester in February... brrrr.... The humidity is just awful, even at -30F blowing in off those giant lakes. The Earth is getting warmer, though. When I was a teen, in the 1960's, they used to take one of the town dump trucks out on the ice so thick on Owasco Lake the heavy dump truck was in no danger of cracking the ice. They'd plow off the top of the ice with the truck making snow piles to sit on from the snow removed from the "track", a large oval ice racetrack the snow piles overlooked. The boys from several towns would put tire chains on their dirt track racecars and race on the lake on Saturdays, working off some frustrations and for braggin' rights on ice....to the delight of hundreds of freezing onlookers. At the races, beer was kept FROM freezing by leaving it in empty coolers, which delayed its freezing until most of it could be consumed. At some point, you'd see people putting beer cans under their coats to thaw the beer out so they could drink it....(c;] People kept warm with Coleman gas lanterns, Jon-E naptha hand warmers in their hunting coat pockets and some had battery operated electric socks to thaw frozen toes. I got some for Christmas when I was 14 because I had frostbitten toes from hunting with my grandfather. They still pain me, even at 63 if they get cold....a reminder of times past. Grandfather was a Holstein dairy farmer, about 390 head milked 3 times a day. You can tell their his cows because you can't see over them unless you're 7' tall! "Deer Hunting" meant moving the barnyard salt lick from behind the barn down to under the big maple tree by the back porch so the deer would be shot right under the branch you wanted to haul the carcass up for butchering. No sense all this trapsing about in the woods and dragging a heavy deer around, bleeding all over your truck. Just sit behind the trellis and let Grandma point out the one she wanted to cook...first. BANG!...hardly lifting a finger and never getting out of your rocking chair....(c; I've seen over 30 deer around that salt lick to choose from..... Dairy cows all had C-O-W painted on both sides of them in wide white letters during deer season to keep the CITY hunters from making an expensive mistake. Gramp STILL sold a few to some really STUPID people at 4-5 times what they were worth.....and usually ended up putting all that STEAK in HIS freezer when they paid for them and just left them there! |
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Larry wrote:
"Capt. JG" wrote in easolutions: Coldest freakin week I ever spent was in and around Rochester in February... brrrr.... The humidity is just awful, even at -30F blowing in off those giant lakes. The Earth is getting warmer, though. When I was a teen, in the 1960's, they used to take one of the town dump trucks out on the ice so thick on Owasco Lake the heavy dump truck was in no danger of cracking the ice. They'd plow off the top of the ice with the truck making snow piles to sit on from the snow removed from the "track", a large oval ice racetrack the snow piles overlooked. The boys from several towns would put tire chains on their dirt track racecars and race on the lake on Saturdays, working off some frustrations and for braggin' rights on ice....to the delight of hundreds of freezing onlookers. At the races, beer was kept FROM freezing by leaving it in empty coolers, which delayed its freezing until most of it could be consumed. At some point, you'd see people putting beer cans under their coats to thaw the beer out so they could drink it....(c;] People kept warm with Coleman gas lanterns, Jon-E naptha hand warmers in their hunting coat pockets and some had battery operated electric socks to thaw frozen toes. I got some for Christmas when I was 14 because I had frostbitten toes from hunting with my grandfather. They still pain me, even at 63 if they get cold....a reminder of times past. Grandfather was a Holstein dairy farmer, about 390 head milked 3 times a day. You can tell their his cows because you can't see over them unless you're 7' tall! "Deer Hunting" meant moving the barnyard salt lick from behind the barn down to under the big maple tree by the back porch so the deer would be shot right under the branch you wanted to haul the carcass up for butchering. No sense all this trapsing about in the woods and dragging a heavy deer around, bleeding all over your truck. Just sit behind the trellis and let Grandma point out the one she wanted to cook...first. BANG!...hardly lifting a finger and never getting out of your rocking chair....(c; I've seen over 30 deer around that salt lick to choose from..... Dairy cows all had C-O-W painted on both sides of them in wide white letters during deer season to keep the CITY hunters from making an expensive mistake. Gramp STILL sold a few to some really STUPID people at 4-5 times what they were worth.....and usually ended up putting all that STEAK in HIS freezer when they paid for them and just left them there! Now I know you're full of it Larry, nobody, not anyone, milks three times a day! And nobody who hunts in Upstate NY is stupid enough to confuse a cow with a deer,,,, makes a good yarn for the Southerners tho... Cheers Martin |
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Marty wrote:
...... nobody who hunts in Upstate NY is stupid enough to confuse a cow with a deer,,,, makes a good yarn for the Southerners tho... As a Southerner, I've heard that yarn.... and I've also seen livestock with "C . . O . . W" whitewashed on their side Not in your neighborhood, though ;) DSK |
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On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:41:11 -0500, Marty wrote:
Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:38:35 +0000, Larry wrote: When I call my childhood home friends in upstate NY (Fingerlakes Region), I always have to ask them what DAY was Summer this year....(c; It's my understanding that day may not have arrived at all last year. Maybe they'll get 2 days in '09. I hope so because we are thinking of taking a cruise up that way later this year. Ah, fer crying out loud! Try not to take what Larry writes too seriously. The Fingerlakes have lovely warm summers, I live somewhat north of the region and have visited there many times in summer. The area is probably among the most beautiful in the north-east USA, I think Larry is trying to keep it for himself. Don't believe what he says about the winters there either, I guarantee you that a winter in the Upper Peninsula, North Dakota, or even Minnesota is way, way, way more harsh. ================ Trust me I know all about upstate NY winters. I grew up in the lake effect snow belt south of Lake Ontario in a town that averages about 300 inches a year. Last January they had 100 inches in 10 days. Summers can be great but they are all too short and some years barely happen at all. |
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