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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
Hi,
I am trying to avoid a costly mistake for someone. The Coast Guard failed to notify them months ago of problems with documentation and now it looks like it will take 2-3 months for the Coast Guard to get the papers to them. So...they of course want to sail! What are the fines/penalties for having an undocumented boat in Massachusetts waters? I assume this would have insurance implications too. Does anybody know? Thanks, Karin |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
K Pilson wrote:
What are the fines/penalties for having an undocumented boat in Massachusetts waters? I assume this would have insurance implications too. Does anybody know? Thanks, There are very likely no penalties. Documentation for pleasure boats is optional and if MA is like other states your friends will already have a state registration. That aside if the folks at Gettysburg (i.e., the Documentation Office) are the culprits, or even if this is NOT the case, it is unlikely that a penalty will be imposed. The $ megabucks/day penalties relate to large vessels. This is what happens when the same sets of rules that are applicable to the Exxon Valdez are later applied to 27 foot sailboats. Hey, if the morons in Washington are rounding up innocents on the West Coast for having "almost the right fingerprints" or for enjoying a Mojito in Havana, I guess anything is possible. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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First get the documentation turned in and a receipt. For USCG purposes
that's good because they know they are behind on paperwork. Beyond that depends on the state. Nevada for example refuses to register a documented vessel. Washington State doesn't care if it's documented or not they still register but they call it something else to get around the federal ruling barring state licensing/registration of federally documented boats. I think they call it a use permit for state waters or somesuch. However if you have both do not display the state numbers as the USCG can fine you for that. I'ts illegal to do so for documented vessels. Check around the rules on each state's website and ask local people. Do not directly ask the state especially those like Mass and Cal who are infamous for grubbing money anyway they can. The local people will know how to handle it the best way. M. "Armond Perretta" wrote in message ... K Pilson wrote: What are the fines/penalties for having an undocumented boat in Massachusetts waters? I assume this would have insurance implications too. Does anybody know? Thanks, There are very likely no penalties. Documentation for pleasure boats is optional and if MA is like other states your friends will already have a state registration. That aside if the folks at Gettysburg (i.e., the Documentation Office) are the culprits, or even if this is NOT the case, it is unlikely that a penalty will be imposed. The $ megabucks/day penalties relate to large vessels. This is what happens when the same sets of rules that are applicable to the Exxon Valdez are later applied to 27 foot sailboats. Hey, if the morons in Washington are rounding up innocents on the West Coast for having "almost the right fingerprints" or for enjoying a Mojito in Havana, I guess anything is possible. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
Don't know about Ma., but in MD, I was offered to buy a MD state sticker
till my documentation came through. Would have needed hull numbers, but was legal. I saved the $15 and sailed without for a few months. No problems. -- Scotty S/V Lisa Marie Balt. MD USA "K Pilson" wrote in message ... Hi, I am trying to avoid a costly mistake for someone. The Coast Guard failed to notify them months ago of problems with documentation and now it looks like it will take 2-3 months for the Coast Guard to get the papers to them. So...they of course want to sail! What are the fines/penalties for having an undocumented boat in Massachusetts waters? I assume this would have insurance implications too. Does anybody know? Thanks, Karin |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
My documentation papers were filed last October and by late March I had
still not gotten my certificate due to the "normal" three month backlog having been compounded by a missing social security number on the transfer of ownership form. Wary of our increasingly active local, state, and CG marine patrols and wanting to be "street legal", I called the Documentation Center with my sad story. A very efficient and helpful clerk found my paperwork, and faxed a copy the next day to the local Maryland DNR office which then issued me a valid state sticker. I'd give very high marks to the MD and CG office staff, but a failing grade to legislators who are underfunding traditional coast guard operations, ICW dredging and the like. I think I'll call my congressman tomorrow . . . Scott Odell S/V Itchen "Scott Vernon" said, Don't know about Ma., but in MD, I was offered to buy a MD state sticker till my documentation came through. Would have needed hull numbers, but was legal. I saved the $15 and sailed without for a few months. No problems. |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
"Scott Odell" wrote
....... I'd give very high marks to the MD and CG office staff, but a failing grade to legislators who are underfunding traditional coast guard operations, ICW dredging and the like. I think I'll call my congressman tomorrow . . . I already did, and my Senators and followed up with letters, being careful to praise the CG and ask that (s)he give them the help and funding they need. Every boater should do the same. CG problems go beyond staffing - somebody sold them computer SW designed for a hospital, not boat management, that compounds their short handedness. Tell your congressman they need a new one that works more than Iraq needs our money - and dump the shrub next fall. |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
Karin:
I bought a used and previously documented boat on March 11 of this year. There was an outstanding lein on the boat from the current owner. There are at least two steps towards getting a USCG document. The first is paying off the previous owner's loan and getting the lender to issue a "Satisfaction of Mortgage" certificate. The latter can take as long as the lender wants to make it. I have seen this take several months and many phone calls to the lender to get this done. Then once the Satisfaction of Mortgage is in hand from the lender, it can take many months for the USCG to process the application and return your new document. It has been three months and I still don't have my new document. But I have also enjoyed my new boat over the last several months. No responsible law enforcement official and certainly no court is going to fine you for not being documented- provided you have timely submitted your application for documentation to the USCG. I know how to document my own boat (I was a yacht broker for a short period in my career), but I chose to pay a documentation service precisely for this reason. They gave me a letter inidcating that documentation has been applied for and the USCG was processing the application. If I am stopped (and I have only been stopped once by the USCG in thousands of hours of sailing), I will show them that letter and they will smile and let me go on my way. And for the state police, harbor patrol, etc. What they care about is getting their sales tax. So also keep a receipt for sales tax paid on board. So, the bottom line is don't worry about it if you have followed the rules. Enjoy your new boat. David |
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Undocumented boat: input on penalties
"K Pilson" wrote in message ... Hi, I am trying to avoid a costly mistake for someone. The Coast Guard failed to notify them months ago of problems with documentation and now it looks like it will take 2-3 months for the Coast Guard to get the papers to them. So...they of course want to sail! What are the fines/penalties for having an undocumented boat in Massachusetts waters? I assume this would have insurance implications too. Does anybody know? Thanks, Karin I bought a boat in Puerto Rico in 2000 and all you need to do is keep copies on board of the forms you sent to the Coast Guard to get your vessel documented. Unless they've changed the rules in the last 4 years, it's all that's required. Check the FAQ on their website. |
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