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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
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Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians
would think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving
wife and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd years
who don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel pretty
successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his
mind and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you,
don't read it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us learn
to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred isn't the
same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public forum. It's like
yelling fire in a crowded theater.

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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in this
country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to labeling
Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad and
not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......

"mmc" wrote in message
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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them, the
rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......



There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.

mmc wrote:
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......


There are a billion and a half Muslims in this world. If the militant
extremists didn't represent only the slightest micro-percentage of them,
the rest of us probably wouldn't be here.

I agree completely. Just as Christians shouldn't be judged by a tiny
minority of wackos, Muslims shouldn't either.


I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
news
I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

And I agree with that as well. The question is, what can we do to stop them?
If they perceive themselves as being attacked by outside forces, they will
also perceive themselves as being righteous in resisting and fighting those
outside forces. But Islam demands that when they are no longer being
attacked, they MUST stop fighting. This doesn't necessarily mean that the
extremists *would* stop fighting, but it does mean that those who continued
in the face of no active enemies would lose virtually all of their support
within the Muslim world. This, then, would put the problem of Islamic
extremists where it belongs -- in the hands of the Faithful.

KLC Lewis wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
news
I agree completely, but we certainly should judge the tiny minority of
wackos and do whatever we can to stop them.

Stephen

And I agree with that as well. The question is, what can we do to stop them?

Wipe them off the face of the earth? Make being one of them so
unattractive that no one else wants to be them?

If they perceive themselves as being attacked by outside forces, they will
also perceive themselves as being righteous in resisting and fighting those
outside forces. But Islam demands that when they are no longer being
attacked, they MUST stop fighting. This doesn't necessarily mean that the
extremists *would* stop fighting, but it does mean that those who continued
in the face of no active enemies would lose virtually all of their support
within the Muslim world. This, then, would put the problem of Islamic
extremists where it belongs -- in the hands of the Faithful.

This would work if only they didn't believe they are being attacked just
by the fact of the US and Israels existence. They have said so many
times. Our only out, according to them is for us to convert to Islam.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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This would work if only they didn't believe they are being attacked just
by the fact of the US and Israels existence. They have said so many times.
Our only out, according to them is for us to convert to Islam.

Stephen


That is the position of the merest fraction of the militant extremists. Even
amongst the militant extremists, the majority simply want the West out of
their lands.

The West invaded the Middle East for oil. Prior to the early 20th century,
the West had little interest in the Middle East, other than for mutual,
consentual trade. And even in the first half of the 20th century, the money
which oil brought into the Middle East was considered fair compensation for
our presence there. Until Western influence and ideals began to seriously
conflict with core Muslim beliefs.

The militant extremists will always consider Western presence in Muslim
lands to be an occupation of those lands. When we put military might into
those lands, we only further this belief. "We will stop raping you when you
stop resisting." In what sane world does the one being raped not have the
right to resist?

"mmc" wrote in message
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"mmc" wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:36 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Dennis Pogson" wrote in message
. ..
troll **** removed
Nice to know someone has been controlling the money. I had thought it
was
supreme lack of control that dropped us all in this s**t!



Apparently, for all their vast experience, they aren't doing such a
great
job.

Interestingly, this guy posts anonymously, coward that he is. At least
Larry
has the guts to stand up in public.

Yeah, well if you want io go that route, Hitler was probably the most
sincere politician who ever lived.

Larry doesn't have guts. He's a failure in life, and badly needs to
blame it on someone else.

Whether a person is a failure isn't determined by what's in thier bank
account and being able to speak your mind is what this country is
supposed to be about AND what you should be able to do around friends.
I'm not an Israel fan and I could give a crap, one way or the other,
about jews, so does that make me a failure too? I'm sure the christians
would think so. I'm not anti-semetic I just don't care.
I work hard and make sure my family is taken care of. I have a loving
wife and a great kid. I have real friends, some for the past 40 odd
years who don't think I'm a bad guy. I don't have much money but I feel
pretty successful.
Larry is a good guy. He has his own ideas about issues and speaks his
mind and that does not make him a failure. If his stuff bothers you,
don't read it.



There's a big difference between having a view and promoting it. As with
most people, Larry likely has a good side and a bad side. Most of us
learn to keep the bad side in check in public. Promoting racial hatred
isn't the same as speaking your mind with friends. This is a public
forum. It's like yelling fire in a crowded theater.

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

Doesn't pretty much everything that has anything to do with Muslims in
this country promote hatred towards them Jon? From TV and movies to
labeling Obama a Muslim, everything is spun to put them in a bad light.
Could it possibly be that not everything Muslims do and are about is bad
and not everything Christians and Jews do is good?
I know it's really pushing the envelope, but.......




Hard to argue... terrorist = muslim, which is bs.


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www.sailnow.com