Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon

Gordon wrote:
Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon
The person I bought my boat from said they are great, and he
circumnavigated with them. I haven't tried them yet so can't say for
myself.
boeland

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:55:03 +0000, Gordon wrote:

Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon

Yes. They are only slightly useful for that purpose compared to a real
self-tailer. I have them because they provide a nice cushion when you
bang into the winch with your shin or elbow.


I put them on a couple of winches on my first boat. In my experience, they
act more as "stoppers" or "snubbers" than as self-tailers. But as Salty
indicated, they do make a softer winch for bumping into.



Yes, I've used them on two boats. They are adequate, but that's about it...
not really self-tailing, but work well as snubbers after the fact of
winching. Certainly worth the small cost if you don't have a handy cleat.

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"Lauri Tarkkonen" wrote in message
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In Gordon
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Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon

The representative for Lewmar said about them, when they came to the
market: I hope everybody without a proper selftailing winch will buy
then, because after they get used to the idea of selftailing, they
absolutely want to have the proper thing instead of these failing
devices.

- Lauri Tarkkonen



Sounds about right. One of my minimum requirements for my boat purchase was
jib self-tailers.

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On our previous boat, the halyard winch (mounted on a vertical pad on the
mast) was not self tailing. It was tedious raising the main once you needed
the winch for the last 15 to 20 feet, because you had to stop winching and
grab the tail each 2 feet or so.

With a Wincher installed, I could winch without pause because every second
or third rotation of the handle, I would just slap a bit of the tail off the
drum without slowing down.

So for this application, I'd say the wincher was quite effective. That it
was mounted on the mast made it easier to do what I did, and that there was
so much line to be winched made it that much more valuable. I had
selftailers for primaries, so never had to consider a Wincher there.

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make them
self tailing?
Gordon

"Boeland" wrote in message
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Gordon wrote:
Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon
The person I bought my boat from said they are great, and he
circumnavigated with them. I haven't tried them yet so can't say for
myself.
boeland


They're better than nothing. If you have experience with self-tailers, you
won't call them great. Another data point... they degrade in the sun after a
few seasons. Found that out myself.

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"Garland Gray" wrote in message
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On our previous boat, the halyard winch (mounted on a vertical pad on the
mast) was not self tailing. It was tedious raising the main once you
needed the winch for the last 15 to 20 feet, because you had to stop
winching and grab the tail each 2 feet or so.

With a Wincher installed, I could winch without pause because every second
or third rotation of the handle, I would just slap a bit of the tail off
the drum without slowing down.

So for this application, I'd say the wincher was quite effective. That it
was mounted on the mast made it easier to do what I did, and that there
was so much line to be winched made it that much more valuable. I had
selftailers for primaries, so never had to consider a Wincher there.

"Gordon" wrote in message
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Anybody tried these rubber things that go on regular winches to make
them self tailing?
Gordon



Actually, that's a great idea. I was thinking about putting a self-tailer on
my main halyard winch, but I'm too cheap to buy one. Not sure why I didn't
think of it myself.

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On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:17:41 -0800, "Capt. JG"
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They're better than nothing. If you have experience with self-tailers, you
won't call them great. Another data point... they degrade in the sun after a
few seasons.

Yes on both points. We installed them on our old 28 footer many
years ago and never found them to be very satisfactory. The main
problem is that they do not strip line off the top of the winch drum
the way a proper self tailer does. I'd never trust them to be a
substitute for a cleat for more than a few seconds.

On Jan 16, 12:02 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:17:41 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



They're better than nothing. If you have experience with self-tailers, you
won't call them great. Another data point... they degrade in the sun after a
few seasons.

Yes on both points. We installed them on our old 28 footer many
years ago and never found them to be very satisfactory. The main
problem is that they do not strip line off the top of the winch drum
the way a proper self tailer does. I'd never trust them to be a
substitute for a cleat for more than a few seconds.

somebody needs to put the line stripper IN THE WINCH HANDLE so that in
combination with the "Wincher" it is more like self tailing. However,
I speak from ignorance because I have never used a self tailing winch.

In Frogwatch writes:

On Jan 16, 12:02 pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:17:41 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote:



They're better than nothing. If you have experience with self-tailers, you
won't call them great. Another data point... they degrade in the sun after a
few seasons.

Yes on both points. We installed them on our old 28 footer many
years ago and never found them to be very satisfactory. The main
problem is that they do not strip line off the top of the winch drum
the way a proper self tailer does. I'd never trust them to be a
substitute for a cleat for more than a few seconds.

somebody needs to put the line stripper IN THE WINCH HANDLE so that in
combination with the "Wincher" it is more like self tailing. However,
I speak from ignorance because I have never used a self tailing winch.

It will not work, because if a winch is a of two speed variety the
handle will turn to different direction of the different speeds. If
there is some gearbox, the handle will anyway go faster than the drum.

Then the stripper in a selftailing winch is stationary and the handle of
course is not stationary.

- Lauri Tarkkonen