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Getting Rid of Damp
We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and
the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? |
Getting Rid of Damp
If you are connected to dockside power, you might look for a small
dehumidifier. |
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katy wrote in news:4960bb50$0$1267
: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? Set a glass full of iced tea on the table. Try to stop it from condensing the horrible humidiity in a boat and wetting the table. Your hull is doing exactly what the glass of iced tea is doing on a grander scale. The hull is cold, like the glass. It's a great "dehumidifier", which is your solution to the problem. Buy a small dehumidifier, the one that's a little self-contained air conditioner that runs off 115VAC. Be SURE the one you buy has a DRAIN HOSE you can drop in the sink so you won't have to manually dump the tank, which will fill up in a matter of a few hours on a damp boat. Close the boat so the dehumidifier can pump all the water out of the swamp air inside the boat. If anything is left open, new swamp air that you are now letting into the boat (sea air in the tourist brochures) will never let it pump the boat dry and stop the condensation. If you think the boat is too hot with a dehumidifier, install an air conditioner, which will both dehumidify the boat and pump the heat outside. Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. The other crap from West Marine is just that, crap. Damprid will work inside a plastic bag.....but not in an open boat. It's made to sell. You will simply be amazed at the CONSTANT stream of water that comes out of that condensate drain hose of the little dehumidifier. 20 gallons a day isn't unusual. The whole boat will smell lots better, once the mildew and bacteria growing from the swamp air loses its water source and they die. |
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pirate wrote:
If you are connected to dockside power, you might look for a small dehumidifier. Was wondering about that since we don't have the [roblem in the summer with the AC going...thanks... |
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Larry wrote:
Buy a small dehumidifier, the one that's a little self-contained air conditioner that runs off 115VAC. Be SURE the one you buy has a DRAIN HOSE you can drop in the sink so you won't have to manually dump the tank, which will fill up in a matter of a few hours on a damp boat. Close the boat so the dehumidifier can pump all the water out of the swamp air inside the boat. If anything is left open, new swamp air that you are now letting into the boat (sea air in the tourist brochures) will never let it pump the boat dry and stop the condensation. If you think the boat is too hot with a dehumidifier, install an air conditioner, which will both dehumidify the boat and pump the heat outside. Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. The other crap from West Marine is just that, crap. Damprid will work inside a plastic bag.....but not in an open boat. It's made to sell. You will simply be amazed at the CONSTANT stream of water that comes out of that condensate drain hose of the little dehumidifier. 20 gallons a day isn't unusual. The whole boat will smell lots better, once the mildew and bacteria growing from the swamp air loses its water source and they die. Thanks....I was almost getting ready to run the AC with the heater in desperation...on way to Lowe's now to see what they have in stock... |
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"katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? I like the "stop breathing" idea. I wish you'd try it. -- Gregory Hall |
Getting Rid of Damp
"katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? I like the "stop breathing" idea. I wish you'd try it. -- Gregory Hall |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy
wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? I use a small electric dehumidifier - it seems to keep things fairly dry (unless there's an actual leak somewhere). My dehumidifier will sit in the sink, and I have taped down the "bin full" float, so that it won't turn off if the water bin fills - it just overflows into the sink, then overboard. -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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"katy" wrote in message
om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? Hi Katy! I hope all is well! As others suggested a dehumidifier works great. I don't have much of a problem with dampness during the summer months, but I've noticed minor problems with the weather cools. I've going to get one myself after I haul in February. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy
wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You're getting condensation. The only thing that will work is reducing the humidity level of the interior air in the boat. An electric heater paired with a dehumidifier is probably the most effective. We sometimes run an electric heater with the air conditioning which accomplishes the same thing. |
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katy wrote in news:4960d9e3$0$1357
: Thanks....I was almost getting ready to run the AC with the heater in desperation...on way to Lowe's now to see what they have in stock... If you are in a marina with no metered power....why not? That will cause the AC to run and dehumidify the house. Commercial air conditioning systems have heating elements in them to do just what you were thinking....making the AC run to pump out the water. I used to work in a shipboard calibration lab where the temperature was 72F +/- .2 degrees. The humidity control to hold humidity to 50%, eliminating the problems associated with static electricity, was steam heating radiators built into the 25 ton air conditioning system. When the humidity sensors said it was too moist, the steam came on, heating up the air conditioner's output and making it run longer to keep up. This dried out the air and shut the steam back off. Of course, you'll want to make sure you have sufficient amperes to run them both. Leave the heater on 1000 watts and turn the thermostat to way above the normal setting. Run the AC and it'll pump out the heat and water. Problem solved. The humidifier is the slicker way to do it. The hot condensor heat the AC pumps overboard is simply reheating the cold air coming out of the evaporator on a dehumidifier. Dehumidifiers heat the air because you're adding the power of running its machinery and fan into the net-neutral heat of evaporator and condensor. I'm watching a mother laying dead on a stretcher next to her two dead children as her husband screams in horror over the three corpses as the United States/Iwraeli genocide continues. The USA blocked the UN from condemning Israeli genocide this morning. Damn them all....Damn US. Damn the British Government for 1948. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
"katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? Hi Katy! I hope all is well! As others suggested a dehumidifier works great. I don't have much of a problem with dampness during the summer months, but I've noticed minor problems with the weather cools. I've going to get one myself after I haul in February. Hey Jon...al's well...went shopping for one this afternoon but WallyWorld said they were out of season(Like it's ever dry in coastal NC????) and all Lowe's had was some big honkin ones that were bigger than our water heater...and of the drawer type. So I'm going to see what Defender's and Sear's have. Yesah, summer isn't a problem...the AC takes care of it and I just let drain down the scuppers.. |
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Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You're getting condensation. The only thing that will work is reducing the humidity level of the interior air in the boat. An electric heater paired with a dehumidifier is probably the most effective. We sometimes run an electric heater with the air conditioning which accomplishes the same thing. That was going to be the next step...we run two heaters, one in the aft cabin and one in the salon...if I can't find a dehumidifier fast enough I'll just haul that out and see if it works with the heater's/. Another liveaboard was complaining too b ut they have propane heat and theur cabin was actually "raining" on them. At least we don't have that going on! The hatches are staying dry and there's no condensation on the lexan. |
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In article , Larry wrote:
Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. Out of interest, is it possible to keep the air in a boat dry? OK, if you've got a de-humidifier running 24/7, and the boat is closed up then, yep, I expect it'll dry out, but what about a boat that's used regularly? Can you ever dry it out? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:04:07 -0500, katy
wrote: You're getting condensation. The only thing that will work is reducing the humidity level of the interior air in the boat. An electric heater paired with a dehumidifier is probably the most effective. We sometimes run an electric heater with the air conditioning which accomplishes the same thing. That was going to be the next step...we run two heaters, one in the aft cabin and one in the salon...if I can't find a dehumidifier fast enough I'll just haul that out and see if it works with the heater's/. Another liveaboard was complaining too b ut they have propane heat and theur cabin was actually "raining" on them. At least we don't have that going on! The hatches are staying dry and there's no condensation on the lexan. If you are going to use the AC to dehumidify use a low air flow rate setting, if possible or restrict it, to keep the evaporator temperature low. It will produce a lower humidity and probably remove water faster that way. |
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Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:04:07 -0500, katy wrote: You're getting condensation. The only thing that will work is reducing the humidity level of the interior air in the boat. An electric heater paired with a dehumidifier is probably the most effective. We sometimes run an electric heater with the air conditioning which accomplishes the same thing. That was going to be the next step...we run two heaters, one in the aft cabin and one in the salon...if I can't find a dehumidifier fast enough I'll just haul that out and see if it works with the heater's/. Another liveaboard was complaining too b ut they have propane heat and theur cabin was actually "raining" on them. At least we don't have that going on! The hatches are staying dry and there's no condensation on the lexan. If you are going to use the AC to dehumidify use a low air flow rate setting, if possible or restrict it, to keep the evaporator temperature low. It will produce a lower humidity and probably remove water faster that way. Thanks. Will keep that it mind. |
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Katy,
You are not going to like my advice, but the problem you are facing is that your hull is not insulated and has become a cold sink creating condensation. For your information, this is what kills steel vessels, as it creates corrosion in those places you do not have access to. The correct solution is to insulate the hull with Urethane foam and then paint the foam with a fire retardent latex paint. This will prevent the moist air from condensing on the cold hull. Insulation without an air barrier is insufficient. A dehumidifier is a band aid. It will help, but will not resolve the problem. Of course this task should have been done before the interior was installed, but then the cost would have made the boat less competitive for sale and this problem would never be the builder's in any case. I have suggested Urethane foam, but other products perform as well, like sprayed cork, but they are not better or less expensive. Steve "katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? |
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Steve Lusardi wrote:
Katy, You are not going to like my advice, but the problem you are facing is that your hull is not insulated and has become a cold sink creating condensation. For your information, this is what kills steel vessels, as it creates corrosion in those places you do not have access to. The correct solution is to insulate the hull with Urethane foam and then paint the foam with a fire retardent latex paint. This will prevent the moist air from condensing on the cold hull. Insulation without an air barrier is insufficient. A dehumidifier is a band aid. It will help, but will not resolve the problem. Of course this task should have been done before the interior was installed, but then the cost would have made the boat less competitive for sale and this problem would never be the builder's in any case. I have suggested Urethane foam, but other products perform as well, like sprayed cork, but they are not better or less expensive. Steve Well...since the boat was not ever buiolt to be a li veaboard, I suppose the manufacturer would have considered that superfluous...we have a 31' Kirie Elite and you're right...there ain't much between us and the deep blue...I have noticed that the prpoblem does not occur in the bins behind the settees which have slatted wood instead of material next to the hull....We're not getting condensation anywhere else except in the closed areas (it's a fiberglass boat BTW, so no fear on the steel boat thing)...The head liner seems to provide enough insulation that we don't get ceiling moisture...but the foam insulation is an idea...the liner in the berths needs to be replaced and that time would be good to do something like that...ah...another boat project...yay...but since we will be living aboard every winter we'll need to do something efficient...thanks... |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 16:01:33 -0500, katy
wrote: Capt. JG wrote: "katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? Hi Katy! I hope all is well! As others suggested a dehumidifier works great. I don't have much of a problem with dampness during the summer months, but I've noticed minor problems with the weather cools. I've going to get one myself after I haul in February. Hey Jon...al's well...went shopping for one this afternoon but WallyWorld said they were out of season(Like it's ever dry in coastal NC????) and all Lowe's had was some big honkin ones that were bigger than our water heater...and of the drawer type. So I'm going to see what Defender's and Sear's have. Yesah, summer isn't a problem...the AC takes care of it and I just let drain down the scuppers.. If you don't mind shopping on-line, google for "mini dehumidifier". (I got mine at a local marine store...) -- Peter Bennett, VE7CEI peterbb4 (at) interchange.ubc.ca GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy
wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You are living in a damp atmosphere, sort of like a swamp. The only solution is to install an air conditioner or dehumidifier or move to a drier climate. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:03:01 -0500, katy
wrote: pirate wrote: If you are connected to dockside power, you might look for a small dehumidifier. Was wondering about that since we don't have the [roblem in the summer with the AC going...thanks... some of the people here in Phuket run air conditioners all the time, whether they are at the boat or not, for just the reason you state. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
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Justin C wrote in
: Out of interest, is it possible to keep the air in a boat dry? OK, if you've got a de-humidifier running 24/7, and the boat is closed up then, yep, I expect it'll dry out, but what about a boat that's used regularly? Can you ever dry it out? Justin. Here in Charleston, we run the ACs only at the dock. It dries out the boat all the time it's at the dock. Starting dry, the mildew and bacteria aren't growing on everything you see as you cast off the lines and it takes a long time for the swamp air blowing in to start that growth going. The stuff in the enclosed spaces remain in dry air until you open the cabinet door, extending the time the clothes keep away from the swamp condensate and its load of growing biology. So, for many days, you get to wear clean clothes.....usually long enough to get to the next outlet and get the AC pumping it all out, again. For those living like hermits on an anchor or mooring ball, just like sleeping with the flashlights and doing without many other things, living in the swampwater is just another stick inconvenience in a long string of hermit inconveniences. |
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Bruce In Bangkok wrote:
You are living in a damp atmosphere, sort of like a swamp. The only solution is to install an air conditioner or dehumidifier or move to a drier climate. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Sort of like a swamp? hahahahahahahahaha.....How about...BIG swamp? |
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Wilbur: Put your underwear back on and go to bed.
Bad boy! |
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"Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. Out of interest, is it possible to keep the air in a boat dry? OK, if you've got a de-humidifier running 24/7, and the boat is closed up then, yep, I expect it'll dry out, but what about a boat that's used regularly? Can you ever dry it out? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. The two most important words, IMO, are, "Insulate and ventilate." Insulating both above and below the waterline wherever possible keeps condensation down, while ventilation keeps the humidity inside the boat close to that of outside the boat, but prevents stale air and heat build-up. Solar-powered Nicro Day/Night vents work very well if properly placed, combined with passive vents belowdecks. The problem is not heat and humidity per se, but differences in heat and humidity. |
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Larry wrote:
I'm watching a mother laying dead on a stretcher next to her two dead children as her husband screams in horror over the three corpses as the United States/Iwraeli genocide continues. I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin |
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Bruce,
Insulation will not get rid of the humidity, of course, but it will eliminate the condensation. Steve "Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You are living in a damp atmosphere, sort of like a swamp. The only solution is to install an air conditioner or dehumidifier or move to a drier climate. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Getting Rid of Damp
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:44:37 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote: Bruce, Insulation will not get rid of the humidity, of course, but it will eliminate the condensation. Steve Of course it will but insulating an already built boat is not a trivial exercise however adding an A.C. or dehumidifier is. "Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You are living in a damp atmosphere, sort of like a swamp. The only solution is to install an air conditioner or dehumidifier or move to a drier climate. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Getting Rid of Damp
Marty wrote in
: I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin So, if your neighbor murders your son, it's ok for you to kill them all? That's not what the cops say where I live. It's NOT OK for me to kill off the neighbors if they kill someone of mine. I'll certainly want to, but we are a society of laws. We don't just start banging away on the neighbors with our M-16s trying to see how many we can kill. That leads to anarchy and everyone dies. Why is murder OK when it's done by Zionists? I've wondered that for years. |
Getting Rid of Damp
KLC Lewis wrote:
"Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. Out of interest, is it possible to keep the air in a boat dry? OK, if you've got a de-humidifier running 24/7, and the boat is closed up then, yep, I expect it'll dry out, but what about a boat that's used regularly? Can you ever dry it out? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. The two most important words, IMO, are, "Insulate and ventilate." Insulating both above and below the waterline wherever possible keeps condensation down, while ventilation keeps the humidity inside the boat close to that of outside the boat, but prevents stale air and heat build-up. Solar-powered Nicro Day/Night vents work very well if properly placed, combined with passive vents belowdecks. The problem is not heat and humidity per se, but differences in heat and humidity. If you're living aboard, however, in a temperate region such as NC where night temps are known to drop into the low 20's, keeping inside and outside air equal would be quite daunting! Gives a whole new definition to "frostbiting"! |
Getting Rid of Damp
"Gregory Hall" wrote in message ... "katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? I like the "stop breathing" idea. I wish you'd try it. -- Gregory Hall I don't think that will work, Greg, there isn't all that much humidity coming from respiration, even from an old windbag like her but I'm definitely all for an "assume room temperature" approach. . . That's a winner for all concerned. Wilbur Hubbard |
Getting Rid of Damp
"Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 12:03:01 -0500, katy wrote: pirate wrote: If you are connected to dockside power, you might look for a small dehumidifier. Was wondering about that since we don't have the [roblem in the summer with the AC going...thanks... some of the people here in Phuket run air conditioners all the time, whether they are at the boat or not, for just the reason you state. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) That's so disgusting and you dock rats don't mind the noise? You must be deaf as well as stupid. Lubbers! What's the use of having a boat if you can't abide the ambient conditions. So you tie up to a dock and plug into the grid. That's not boating, dude. Buy yourself a house ashore and stop pretending to be a boater. Wilbur Hubbard |
Getting Rid of Damp
"pirate" wrote in message ... Wilbur: Put your underwear back on and go to bed. Bad boy! Gaaawwwkkk! I haven't been so roundly insulted for many a year. But, you've got to be kidding. You can't think katysails is a sock? No, she's the real thing. She used to post here until she started going blind. I was hoping that was the last we'd hear from her. But, apparently not. Can you say, dumb as a box of rocks??? Can you say whining, complaining netcop? She and Capt. J.G., two peas in a pod. Wilbur Hubbard |
Getting Rid of Damp
"katy" wrote in message om... We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? Ventilation helps a lot here in sunny FL. I've drilled "limber holes" in my lockers and lined drawers bottms and shelves with "dri-dek" (http://www.dri-dek.com/). This stuff is great. Kinda pricy but it won't wear out, cleans easily and allows air to ciculate under whatever is stored in the drawer or locker. For your bins, I'd recommend drilling holes in the bottoms and using the dri-deck on the bottom and hull side. I have a big garage sale dehumidifier, (too big, need to downsize) and it does help a lot. |
Getting Rid of Damp
I agree. I already apologized for that upfront.
Steve "Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 08:44:37 +0100, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: Bruce, Insulation will not get rid of the humidity, of course, but it will eliminate the condensation. Steve Of course it will but insulating an already built boat is not a trivial exercise however adding an A.C. or dehumidifier is. "Bruce In Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:57:29 -0500, katy wrote: We're having some problems with damp seeping in. Both the v-berth and the aft cabin have wood bins on the sides for storage...these are open and about 9 inches deep. That's where we store our clothes. The hull side and bottoms are carpeted with the same fabric as the the liner, a sort of nubbly burlappy material but more closely woven. It seems the clothes on the bottom are always damp. I've been rotating them so they won't mildew but that's getting tedious. Also have damp problems where the cushions meet the hull walls in the berths. Got some roll out thick paper stuff from West Marine but as soon as it gets damp, the sheets start picking up moisture again. I've taken to running fans all the time to keep air circulating and am cutting back on boiling anything or running the heater excessively when it's raining so humidity doesn't build up. I've got 3M window plastic over the ports and the vents are all open and drawing. Thought of using DampRid, but since NC is in a permanent state of humid, we'd be going through one of those every other day. Any suggestions on how to keep damp and mildew from forming (except stopping breathing processes)? You are living in a damp atmosphere, sort of like a swamp. The only solution is to install an air conditioner or dehumidifier or move to a drier climate. Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) Cheers, Bruce (bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom) |
Getting Rid of Damp
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message ... "Justin C" wrote in message ... In article , Larry wrote: Leave the AC run all summer and the dehumidifier running all winter to keep the boat dried out. Your problem goes away as soon as the air inside the boat is DRY, not like a North Carolina swamp. Out of interest, is it possible to keep the air in a boat dry? OK, if you've got a de-humidifier running 24/7, and the boat is closed up then, yep, I expect it'll dry out, but what about a boat that's used regularly? Can you ever dry it out? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. The two most important words, IMO, are, "Insulate and ventilate." Insulating both above and below the waterline wherever possible keeps condensation down, while ventilation keeps the humidity inside the boat close to that of outside the boat, but prevents stale air and heat build-up. Solar-powered Nicro Day/Night vents work very well if properly placed, combined with passive vents belowdecks. The problem is not heat and humidity per se, but differences in heat and humidity. I agree. I've got the spaces between the component (inner liner) and the hull all poured with two-part, urethane closed-cell foam. It makes the boat stronger, quieter, unsinkable and eliminates the condensation in all but the most ideal conditions for it. The overhead will get condensation on it when cooking and boiling water but that's about it and that soon evaporates. Also keeping the hatches open when aboard, which is most of the time for us real sailors, helps keep the boat surfaces and air temperature in synch so you're correct there Karin. When the water becomes colder than the air, regular uninsulated boats sweat something awful on the inside surfaces below, at and slightly above the water line. The same principle as a glass of iced tea 'sweating.' If a boat doesn't have an insulated hull it's going to sweat and their is nothing that can be done for it bar making a floating home out of it and keeping it plugged into the grid and running de-humidifiers and air conditioners. If you have to do that then what's the use of even owning a boat. Just another waste of resources. Why is it people never even consider that boats were never meant to be as luxurious as homes ashore. Sail them and stop complaining or just find something else to do. Wilbur Hubbard |
Getting Rid of Damp
Larry wrote:
Marty wrote in : I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin So, if your neighbor murders your son, it's ok for you to kill them all? That's not what the cops say where I live. It's NOT OK for me to kill off the neighbors if they kill someone of mine. I'll certainly want to, but we are a society of laws. We don't just start banging away on the neighbors with our M-16s trying to see how many we can kill. That leads to anarchy and everyone dies. Why is murder OK when it's done by Zionists? I've wondered that for years. Flip that over. You're saying its ok for the Hamas to murder? Of course you're not, but how do you stop them? Have the UN tell them to behave? Give us a good solution. Gordon |
Getting Rid of Damp
"Gordon" wrote in message m... Larry wrote: Marty wrote in : I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin So, if your neighbor murders your son, it's ok for you to kill them all? That's not what the cops say where I live. It's NOT OK for me to kill off the neighbors if they kill someone of mine. I'll certainly want to, but we are a society of laws. We don't just start banging away on the neighbors with our M-16s trying to see how many we can kill. That leads to anarchy and everyone dies. Why is murder OK when it's done by Zionists? I've wondered that for years. Flip that over. You're saying its ok for the Hamas to murder? Of course you're not, but how do you stop them? Have the UN tell them to behave? Give us a good solution. Gordon Give them everything they want. Anything less than complete capitulation and the violence will continue. Of course there would still be hold-outs, even then. And violence from holdouts on the other side will increase exponentially. If the world were made up entirely of reasonable people, a peaceful solution to the Israeli/Palestinian problem could be found. Unfortunately, it's not, and one won't be. The most rational thing the US can do in this situation is to refuse to take sides and turn peacekeeping over to the UN. But it's far too late for that, I fear. |
Getting Rid of Damp
Larry wrote:
Marty wrote in : I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin So, if your neighbor murders your son, it's ok for you to kill them all? That's not what the cops say where I live. It's NOT OK for me to kill off the neighbors if they kill someone of mine. I'll certainly want to, but we are a society of laws. We don't just start banging away on the neighbors with our M-16s trying to see how many we can kill. That leads to anarchy and everyone dies. Why is murder OK when it's done by Zionists? I've wondered that for years. I didn't say anything of the sort, just wonder why you condemn the people who try very hard *not* to hit civilians, but say nothing about the people who deliberately target civilians. Martin |
Getting Rid of Damp
"Larry" wrote in message
... Marty wrote in : I saw the aftermath of a Hamas rocket hitting a kindergarden the other day,,,, how about damning that...twit Martin So, if your neighbor murders your son, it's ok for you to kill them all? That's not what the cops say where I live. It's NOT OK for me to kill off the neighbors if they kill someone of mine. I'll certainly want to, but we are a society of laws. We don't just start banging away on the neighbors with our M-16s trying to see how many we can kill. That leads to anarchy and everyone dies. Why is murder OK when it's done by Zionists? I've wondered that for years. Laws of society? Yet you just got done telling me how all Jews should die or AH should have "finished" the job. You're a loon. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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