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Around the Horn, several times and in both directions? One would think
that this accomplishment would be lauded in the annals of sailing. Do
you feel slighted to have been so widely and universally ignored?



You're new around here, Karin, so you can be forgiven for not being aware
of my sailing philosophy. I sail strictly for the sake of my own personal
sailing satisfaction. I do it right and I never fail at it. My voyages
have always been and remain quite trouble-free and routine. However, I
feel it is an uttermost waste of time and space to attempt to share my
accomplishments and acquired expertise with those who will never be able
to understand any of it, let alone emulate it. Therefore, my
accomplishments remain undocumented for the general public which
continues to display little or no ability to appreciate them in the first
place.

Wilbur Hubbard


Not so new, William. I've been participating in this forum off and on
since 1995. The idea of your hiding your light under a bushel is amusing.


You've got to know that I, Wilbur Hubbard, am a staunch
conservative/libertarian/objectivist. Those three words should clue you in
on my value system.

They indicate that I am satisfied with the rock solid, foundational, real
world substance which defines my life and deeds. I have no need,
whatsoever, to rely upon outgoing braggadocio and incoming accolades to
realize my true God-given worth. The reason most people brag about their
doings and insist a spotlight shine upon them at all times so the whole
world can see them is because they have no real substance in their pitiful
lives. Rather than being happy with whom they are and with what they
accomplish they become miserable publicity hounds seeking to skew reality by
believing they are the apple of everybody else's eye. This is a totally
untenable situation in which the seeker of accolades is doomed to experience
a miserable life. If you cannot be satisfied with yourself then no outside
source can provide that satisfaction for you

Wilbur Hubbard

slide wrote:

You haven't specified if you are single handing. I'd not try the Canal
single handed esp as a new seaman. As to the Horn, the W to E transit is
at least possible for a new sailor, but again, single handing? Aside
from trying stuff like the NW passage, I can't think of a tougher thing
than the Horn.

Well if you want tougher, what about going out on your own for an
evening stroll in down-town Panama City or Colon? ;-)

On Dec 22, 12:07*pm, IanM wrote:
slide wrote:
You haven't specified if you are single handing. I'd not try the Canal
single handed esp as a new seaman. As to the Horn, the W to E transit is
at least possible for a new sailor, but again, single handing? Aside
from trying stuff like the NW passage, I can't think of a tougher thing
than the Horn.

Well if you want tougher, what about going out on your own for an
evening stroll in down-town Panama City or Colon? ;-)

thats not tougher its just suicidal.

On Dec 22, 8:23*am, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:
Looking at a boat book.. *wondering about the boats that go from
S Calif all the way to the Panama Canal . and through.

How far is that? *And does it cost lots of money to go through the canal?

Any of you world cruisers ever do this?

Tell all,, interested in learning.

its an easy run down from so cal, lots to see and some really nice
ports. distance you can figure on a simple map.

IIRC the cost is around that qoted by slide.
I would say hitting the crack is easy but you would want some other
folks on the boat for the trip across. not so much for handeling as
for defence. the guys lock side will try to charge you
"tips" (Bribes), and other things (on ocasion out and out lercenry).so
having a couple folks who can do stuff while you navigate is a good
idea.

the horn would be fun but not realistic for a single hander unless you
spent a goodly bit of time making sure you are rounding at the correct
time. its a bit rough on the pointy end of patigonia.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:39:10 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

My voyages have
always been and remain quite trouble-free and routine.

And always successfully reaching the far end of the bath tub with his
maintenance free rubber duck.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:18 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote:

its an easy run down from so cal, lots to see and some really nice
ports. distance you can figure on a simple map.

Can we assume that you have not heard of the infamous Gulf of
Tehuantepec and its winds, the "Tehuantepeckers" ?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...r+&btnG=Search

http://oldseals.com/misty/page9.htm

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2007-03-02-2

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:18 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll
wrote:

On Dec 22, 8:23*am, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:
Looking at a boat book.. *wondering about the boats that go from
S Calif all the way to the Panama Canal . and through.

How far is that? *And does it cost lots of money to go through the canal?

Any of you world cruisers ever do this?

Tell all,, interested in learning.

its an easy run down from so cal, lots to see and some really nice
ports. distance you can figure on a simple map.

IIRC the cost is around that qoted by slide.
I would say hitting the crack is easy but you would want some other
folks on the boat for the trip across. not so much for handeling as
for defence. the guys lock side will try to charge you
"tips" (Bribes), and other things (on ocasion out and out lercenry).so
having a couple folks who can do stuff while you navigate is a good
idea.

the horn would be fun but not realistic for a single hander unless you
spent a goodly bit of time making sure you are rounding at the correct
time. its a bit rough on the pointy end of patigonia.


While I've never been there I thought it was a requirement to have at
least two experienced line handlers and at least two mooring lines of
a specified length and that you could rent these at either end.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)

On Dec 22, 2:50*pm, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:18 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll

wrote:
its an easy run down from so cal, lots to see and some really nice
ports. *distance you can figure on a simple map.

Can we assume that you have not heard of the infamous Gulf of
Tehuantepec and its winds, the "Tehuantepeckers" ?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...r+&btnG=Search

http://oldseals.com/misty/page9.htm

http://www.noonsite.com/Members/doina/R2007-03-02-2

its one tiny bit of a really long run. if you dont want to deal with
it go around.

On Dec 22, 4:28*pm, Bruce In Bangkok
wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:39:18 -0800 (PST), Two meter troll





wrote:
On Dec 22, 8:23*am, "Janet O'Leary"
wrote:
Looking at a boat book.. *wondering about the boats that go from
S Calif all the way to the Panama Canal . and through.

How far is that? *And does it cost lots of money to go through the canal?

Any of you world cruisers ever do this?

Tell all,, interested in learning.

its an easy run down from so cal, lots to see and some really nice
ports. *distance you can figure on a simple map.

IIRC the cost is around that qoted by slide.
I would say hitting the crack is easy but you would want some other
folks on the boat for the trip across. not so much for handeling as
for defence. the guys lock side will try to charge you
"tips" (Bribes), and other things (on ocasion out and out lercenry).so
having a couple folks who can do stuff while you navigate is a good
idea.

the horn would be fun but not realistic for a single hander unless you
spent a goodly bit of time making sure you are rounding at the correct
time. its a bit rough on the pointy end of patigonia.

While I've never been there I thought it was a requirement to have at
least two experienced line handlers and at least two mooring lines of
a specified length and that you could rent these at either end.

Cheers,

Bruce
(bruceinbangkokatgmaildotcom)- Hide quoted text -

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this is true. i would state who do you want aboard two line handelers
you dont know or a couple of hands you do know.
A knife to the back or having your equipment stolen is a pretty high
price to pay for getting a boat through the crack.

"Janet O'Leary" wrote in news:P9P3l.509
:

Looking at a boat book.. wondering about the boats that go from
S Calif all the way to the Panama Canal . and through.

How far is that? And does it cost lots of money to go through the canal?

Any of you world cruisers ever do this?

Tell all,, interested in learning.

I'm sorry that you got sucked into the Wibur rampage and as usual, that the
signal to noise ratio of any discussion that he enters into goes to an
extreme, making any useful discussion impossible.

This is actually a trip that I've considered making several times. For
this upcoming year I'm seriously considering making the same trip as I want
to sail my boat from RI to Milwaukee, WI and then ship it to the west coast
and do the trip to Panama canal.

One book that you want to get is called "The Forgotten Middle (A cruisers
quide to the Pacific coasts of Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras and
Nicaragua) by Roy and Carol Robert. Unfortunately I think that it's out of
print and has a copyright date of 1995. I did scan my copy a year or so
ago and provide it to someone who was looking at doing the same trip. I
might be able to come up with a pointer to that person so that I don't have
to scan it again.

One of the key things that I'll point out is that you're going against the
current, which makes this a difficult trip. And has been mentioned before,
make sure that you do not under estimate the Gulf of Tehuantepec, which has
tremendous winds. I've spent a lot of years in the NW Caribbean and talked
to boats which have tried to make it through there. It's nothing to be
triffled with.

-- Geoff
www.GeoffSchultz.org