UK red diesel costs.
 

You have probably heard about the proposed tax increase on "red" diesel .
Worried about the increase I wrote to my M.P. Colin Challen, on15th
February 2004 to ask what was in the pipeline. Colin Challen promptly
passed on my request on the 16th Feb to John Healey, Economic Secretary for
this Government. He chased up this enquiry on the 15th March 2004 and
today, 25th May I have received a reply.

In brief I am informed that as of this time the ordinary diesel for road use
has a 47.10 pence tax per litre whereas the RED diesel is taxed at 4.22
pence per litre. This September 1st sees an increase to 6.24 pence per
litre and 48.52 pence per litre.

He tells me that an agreement under the relevant "European agreements" that
"pleasure" fuel in the E.U is normally taxed at the same rate as the equiv
road type fuel however the United Kingdom enjoys a derogation from this
provision and this allows all private pleasure craft and others to use red
diesel. This derogation is due to expire on 31st December 2006 but we will
have the opportunity to apply for an extension.

The future looks bleak for red diesel users so it may be worth your while
sending in your views to your M.P.

A very useful site is http://www.faxyourmp.com/ where you can find out
your M.P. and send a fax to him./her.

Good luck.

Ken Baker

UK red diesel costs.
 

Note to American Socialists......

I'll pay my OWN doctor bills, thank you. YOU Democrats stay out of it.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thanks for the information, Ken. You have my sympathy. Road gas in South
Carolina as 16c/US gallon Federal and 18.3c/US gallon State tax on it.
Diesel on-the-road has 5c/gallon more. Diesel at the marina has no tax on
it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on the
street. OF course, marinas charge about 50c/gallon more than on the
street. They figure if you can afford a boat, you can afford to get ripped
off a little more.

I watched Daytona Marina fuel up a Mangusta 108 Italian monster while I was
at the dock. She took on 3600 US gallons at $1.56/gallon from a tired old
mechanical service station fuel pump. It took over 3.5 hours to do
that...(c; The Mangusta has twin MTU V-16's and huge jetdrives. Fuel
consumption is measured in litres/meter....hee hee.

Larry


"Ken Baker" wrote in
:


You have probably heard about the proposed tax increase on "red"
diesel . Worried about the increase I wrote to my M.P. Colin Challen,
on15th February 2004 to ask what was in the pipeline. Colin Challen
promptly passed on my request on the 16th Feb to John Healey, Economic
Secretary for this Government. He chased up this enquiry on the 15th
March 2004 and today, 25th May I have received a reply.

In brief I am informed that as of this time the ordinary diesel for
road use has a 47.10 pence tax per litre whereas the RED diesel is
taxed at 4.22 pence per litre. This September 1st sees an increase to
6.24 pence per litre and 48.52 pence per litre.

He tells me that an agreement under the relevant "European agreements"
that "pleasure" fuel in the E.U is normally taxed at the same rate as
the equiv road type fuel however the United Kingdom enjoys a
derogation from this provision and this allows all private pleasure
craft and others to use red diesel. This derogation is due to expire
on 31st December 2006 but we will have the opportunity to apply for an
extension.

The future looks bleak for red diesel users so it may be worth your
while sending in your views to your M.P.

A very useful site is http://www.faxyourmp.com/ where you can find
out your M.P. and send a fax to him./her.

Good luck.

Ken Baker

UK red diesel costs.
 

"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on
the
street.

Stop whining about your fuel prices.
Here in the Netherlands we pay (converted to US measures) $3.94/gallon for
diesel and $5.97/gallon for gas (95 octane).

Meindert

UK red diesel costs.
 

I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................

"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
it, but the marina gas is fully taxed at road tax rates. Diesel is
$US1.45/US Gallon at the moment on the dock. Down in Florida, diesel at
Daytona Marina was $1.56/US Gallon on the dock.

Here in Charleston, SC, gas is about $US1.85/US gallon for 87 octane on
the
street.

Stop whining about your fuel prices.
Here in the Netherlands we pay (converted to US measures) $3.94/gallon for
diesel and $5.97/gallon for gas (95 octane).

Meindert

UK red diesel costs.
 

Larry W4CSC wrote:
Note to American Socialists......

I'll pay my OWN doctor bills, thank you. YOU Democrats stay out of it.

You poor, propagandised American. You've been sold to the insurance
companies and you're too dumb to know it. I mean this in all sincerity.
Stay healthy because God help you if you get really ill. You will
kiss your financial security and that of your children good-bye and when
the going gets really rough, you can count on your private insurance
coverage to end faster than one of Britney Spears marriages. You guys
just don't get it. When you walk into a hospital with let's say a
compound fracture or prostrate cancer, the first words out of the
receptionist's mouth should be "Please sit here." and not "Who is your
insurance carrier?"

UK red diesel costs.
 

"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:jKMvc.9266$DV4.5918@clgrps13...
I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................

Ouch!

Meindert

UK red diesel costs.
 

The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting. Many countries
raise a considerable amount of taxes via gasoline and diesel. It seems that
the UK is one of them. Does that mean that they have lower taxes elseware -
I don't think so.

I have heard that the governments claim that it encourages conservation. I
think if I lived in the UK I would ride a bike.


"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:jKMvc.9266$DV4.5918@clgrps13...
I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................

Ouch!

Meindert

UK red diesel costs.
 

In my part of Canada the price of premium is about $4 Cdn per gallon. I
wouldn't think UK gasoline taxes would add another $4. I suspect UK
production costs are somewhat higher for various reasons, cost of
electricity for one. A refinery uses a tremendous amount of electricity.
Then there is supply and demand. Always a good reason to jack up the price.
"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message
...
The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting. Many countries
raise a considerable amount of taxes via gasoline and diesel. It seems
that
the UK is one of them. Does that mean that they have lower taxes
elseware -
I don't think so.

I have heard that the governments claim that it encourages conservation.
I
think if I lived in the UK I would ride a bike.


"Meindert Sprang" wrote in message
...
"Gordon Wedman" wrote in message
news:jKMvc.9266$DV4.5918@clgrps13...
I think I heard today that gas has gone over $2L in the UK. That's
something like $8 gallon................

Ouch!

Meindert

UK red diesel costs.
 

beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.

So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick

UK red diesel costs.
 

Since that hyke in crude oil prices, the regular gas has jumped, in roadside
stations, from 72 cents/liter to 92 in Montreal. Meanwhile, according to
goverment numbers supplied last week, the profit at the refinery went from 6 to
21 cents a liter. Do the math. 20 cents more at the pump an 15 to the refinery,
that leaves only 5 cents to pay for the increase in crude. My conclusion is
that it's the oil companies that pluck you (and me for that matter!), not the
gov nor the OPEC.

Jean Dufour
Montreal, Qc

Gordon Wedman wrote:

In my part of Canada the price of premium is about $4 Cdn per gallon. I
wouldn't think UK gasoline taxes would add another $4. I suspect UK
production costs are somewhat higher for various reasons, cost of
electricity for one. A refinery uses a tremendous amount of electricity.
Then there is supply and demand. Always a good reason to jack up the price.
"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in message
...
The price per barrel of crude in the UK is the same as it is in the USA.
Perhaps a little cheaper since less transportation costs. Since the raw
material price is the same and the refining costs should be the same the
only difference is the taxes and the potential profiting.

UK red diesel costs.
 

Rick wrote in
nk.net:

beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.

So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick



How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

Larry

UK red diesel costs.
 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:49:16 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Rick wrote in
ink.net:

beldar wrote:

You poor, propagandised American.

So sadly true ... The American Redneck (Boobus Americanus) cannot seem
top grasp the fact that he pays more for the growing number of uninsured
when they finally can no longer avoid medical services than it would
cost to provide them with a form of national insurance.

Rick



How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

....nice to have money, eh?

UK red diesel costs.
 

Larry W4CSC wrote:

How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

You mean someplace like Denmark?
http://www.bertramonline.com/?c=health%20care

If the wait list is too long in Scandinavia (that bastion of socialism
where health care is rationed so tightly they live longer healthier
lives than we do) they can go to another country or shop around wherever
they like for care ... try that with your insurance.

Rick

UK red diesel costs.
 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 03:49:16 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:


How long does it take to get, say, open heart surgery in this socialist
utopia run by government bureaucrats? [U.K] How about elective surgery in non-
life-threatening conditions?

I can get in the operating room in Charleston, SC, USA in about 36 hours,
here.

Larry

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott

UK red diesel costs.
 

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott


I don't think so. Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society. It's how the doctor gets that big beach house on
the ocean, the big yacht at the best marina, the finest cars in town. I
call it "victimization". We're not supposed to think about it, or, for God
sake, TALK about it, but doctors are victimizers, just like lawyers. They
have you by the short hairs and take whatever they can get from you (or
your insurance company).

Just look in any marina. The whole country runs on GREED. Me, too! I
charge whatever the market will bear for my services, just like WalMart,
Sears, Smith-Kline-French, Merck, Exxon-Mobil, Doctor Goodbody or the law
firm of Diaphram, Foam and Condom, PA. None of us got a boat by giving
ourselves away.

Larry.

The question arises, however..... Why is a lawyer who can't replace
batteries in a flashlight worth $600/hr when his computer technician only
makes $55/hour? Something's wrong with THAT picture....(c;

UK red diesel costs.
 

Larry W4CSC wrote:
Brian Whatcott wrote in
:


It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott



I don't think so.
Translation: Don't confuse me with any facts please, my mind is made up.

Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?
you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?



Snip

UK red diesel costs.
 

beldar wrote in
ble.rogers.com:


Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?

Sure! The greedy little *******s, just like me, can become millionaires
and buy those boats we all love, even bigger! I'm not envious of them, at
all.

you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?

Er, ah, coffee in our greedy empire is $US0.49 for unlimited refills. You
can drink coffee until you're shaking too bad to lift the cup.

How much was coffee in the socialist eutopias of England? France?
Germany? Switzerland?......per cup?!

How awful....
Larry

UK red diesel costs.
 

Somehow I would perfer a cup of coffee in Paris or London then one at work.

But that's just me. :-)


"Larry W4CSC" wrote in message
...
beldar wrote in
ble.rogers.com:


Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society.

and this is okay with you?

Sure! The greedy little *******s, just like me, can become millionaires
and buy those boats we all love, even bigger! I'm not envious of them, at
all.

you poor suckers, when are enough of you going to wake up and smell the
coffee?

Er, ah, coffee in our greedy empire is $US0.49 for unlimited refills. You
can drink coffee until you're shaking too bad to lift the cup.

How much was coffee in the socialist eutopias of England? France?
Germany? Switzerland?......per cup?!

How awful....
Larry

US Healthcare (was: UK red diesel costs).
 

On Sun, 06 Jun 2004 22:36:25 -0000, Larry W4CSC
wrote:

Brian Whatcott wrote in
:

It's the darnedest thing: Canada and Britain spend less than one half
as much a proportion of Gross National Product on Heathcare than we do
on Healthcare. Both of their Healthcare operations are run by
bureaucracies. And they BOTH live a little longer than we do.

But su they have to wait longer for surgery, and for routine
medical visits.
So I guess what it boils down to is this: OUR free enterprize health
bureaucracy is even more inefficient than their socialized
bureaucracies.

Brian Whatcott


I don't think so. Our system runs on pure GREED, just like everything else
in our American Society. It's how the doctor gets that big beach house on
the ocean, the big yacht at the best marina, the finest cars in town. I
call it "victimization". We're not supposed to think about it, or, for God
sake, TALK about it, but doctors are victimizers, just like lawyers. They
have you by the short hairs and take whatever they can get from you (or
your insurance company).

Just look in any marina. The whole country runs on GREED. Me, too! I
charge whatever the market will bear for my services, just like WalMart,
Sears, Smith-Kline-French, Merck, Exxon-Mobil, Doctor Goodbody or the law
firm of Diaphram, Foam and Condom, PA. None of us got a boat by giving
ourselves away.

Larry.

The question arises, however..... Why is a lawyer who can't replace
batteries in a flashlight worth $600/hr when his computer technician only
makes $55/hour? Something's wrong with THAT picture....(c;



Call it greed if you like - but with a nod to the late great Pres.,
free enterprise can work pretty good.
And it works like this:
I can be as greedy as I want, and up the prices of my product as far
as I want. Go too far, and buyers look around for another source.
Then I bring my prices down to suit, or kiss the Marina good bye.

THAT'S free enterprise. So what stops US Health care working that way?

Look closely at what happens when co operatives start buying the SAME
drug abroad and re importing it.

Oh deary me - it's unsafe - those dirty Canadian hands have touched
it. They don't wash their hands.
Etc., etc..... Let's get the FDA to outlaw the practise. It's only
concern for out health, after all. Yada yada.
Yeah, right!

THAT'S the US bureaucracy I have in mind - helped by all too complicit
lawmakers and bureacrats.

Brian W

UK red diesel costs.
 

"Rick & Linda Bernard" wrote in
:

Somehow I would perfer a cup of coffee in Paris or London then one at
work.

But that's just me. :-)



Yes, but NONE of these coffee emporiums can compete with that first cup of
coffee from the percolator clamped onto a gimballed stove slanted back 20
degrees out in the Atlantic 200 miles from ANY of these places.

I'm not sure whether it's the constant agitation caused by the swells
coming up under the stern or what. But, it sure makes great "cockpit
coffee" on a fine morning at sea.

Don't mind me. Just got back from the Gulf Stream and having a
flashback....(c;

Larry
S/V Lionheart
Come alongside and I'll high line you a cup.